2023 Tyni's Prospect Thread

[Heyjoe4]

I think that has been implied all along? Let me ask though, if the GM and the HC don't know for sure, what they have in Love, then what?

Yeah good question that I don't have the answer for Poker. But it probably is accurate - that is, they don't really know what they have. That's why the best-case scenario for the Packers might just be to lose Sunday and let Love play in at least one game that means something for the opponent (the Lions playoff hopes) and maybe the Vikings (playoff seeding).

And if the GB staff doesn't know what they have in Love, why would anyone trade for him? No easy answers.

And I don't like to say a Packer loss Sunday would be OK, but realistically, that may be the best thing long term.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Again, there was NO reason to fiscally handcuff us when we did to Rodgers further. Play the 2022 season first and see what is happening...make the decision of the future after this year...sign Rodgers to an extension or don't and 2023 is his final contracted year and decide on Love. Shoot truthfully no decision on either of them needed done until after 2023 season if we want to be honest. Both were signed through that year, Rodgers without his extension and Love without his 5th year option.

That's a good point that would have saved the Packers millions. But they caved after Rodgers MVPs. I'm sure Rodgers told them "pay me or trade me". Hindsight is 20/20, but GB would have been much better off trading Rodgers to Denver before this season. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.......

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Again, there was NO reason to fiscally handcuff us when we did to Rodgers further. Play the 2022 season first and see what is happening...make the decision of the future after this year...sign Rodgers to an extension or don't and 2023 is his final contracted year and decide on Love. Shoot truthfully no decision on either of them needed done until after 2023 season if we want to be honest. Both were signed through that year, Rodgers without his extension and Love without his 5th year option.

Again, I never said I agreed with them redoing Rodgers contract, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was their way of placating him and keeping him in Green Bay. Without doing it, I was under the impression that Rodgers was done in GB. Was it a mistake? I think it was, but I also think it doesn't change what they do with or how they view Jordan Love, it merely changed the timeline and potential future negotiations with Love.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Again, I never said I agreed with them redoing Rodgers contract, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was their way of placating him and keeping him in Green Bay. Without doing it, I was under the impression that Rodgers was done in GB. Was it a mistake? I think it was, but I also think it doesn't change what they do with or how they view Jordan Love, it merely changed the timeline and potential future negotiations with Love.

After his two MVP seasons, I think Rodgers wanted to be the highest paid player. And yeah, Love is a separate issue. I expect Rodgers will be back next year. And if Love gets to play a couple of real games this year, so much the better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

OL depending what we finagle with Jenkins and Yosh could QUICKLY become a desperate need IMO, Amos is most likely gone and a starting caliber S would be massive and both of our starting TEs are possibly out so a trade back or stay and draft Michael Mayer is logical far more than QB.

I believe there's a decent chance Amos will be back with the Packers next season.

I think Love is back in GB in 2023, no matter what Rodgers does.

Love may want to get a shot at a starting job, but where else is he better prepared than in Green Bay to do so? He may have to wait a year or two longer than he wanted to, but I think he may choose that over going to another team and stepping into a whole new offense and locker room.

I'm not sure about it but didn't Love mention that he wanted to be a starter next season at some point over the past few weeks?

No I strongly feel if both #10 and #12 are in GB next year IT has to come with the fact Love had his 5th year picked up and Rodgers/Gute/Ball already have plans and such for salary sh**fallout from this whole mismanagement of sorts (that is more than just picking Love, or Rodgers resurgence, or Rodgers extension....or numerous other things).

In my opinion there's no way Rodgers is around next year and the Packers exercise the fifth year option on Love.

That's kind of my feeling. I wonder what kind of compensatory pick we'd get for letting Love walk?

According to estimates by Over The Cap only two teams will end up receiving a third round compensatory pick for losing a player in next year's draft with the Cardinals receiving one for losing Kirk ($18 million average per season) and the Commanders for Scherff ($16.5 million). I don't think Love would be offered a contract anywhere close to that numbers if he remains the backup with the Packers next season.

Sure, but that's kind of my point. What's the best trade we'd get for Love? Maybe a 3rd, maybe two fourths over two years? And what would we get in a comp pick...maybe a third, maybe a fourth?

As mentioned above I don't think the Packers would come anywhere close to receiving a third or even a fourth round compensatory pick for Love as long as he doesn't start at least some games and performs at a high level in them next season.

Good points and makes it highly unlikely that Love will be anyplace other than GB next year.

I believe there's a decent chance the Packers end up trading Love if Rodgers returns for next season.

I really doubt he demands a trade, he has zero leverage to do so. He will also become "one of those guys", if he starts becoming a squeaky wheel. Which is why I pointed out his 4 year salary and age, it isn't chump change. He will eventually get a shot in GB, unless the Packers don't think he has what it takes, than this conversation is mute anyway.

The Packers would benefit from Rodgers playing another three years if he returns for next year. Therefore I believe it would be far more realistic that Love will either be traded next offseason or ends up signing with another team in free agency in 2024.

I still contend that the best thing for the Packers would have been to get eliminated 2 games ago and played Love for the last 5 games.

I have a hard time understanding fans suggesting that the Packers having been eliminated at this point would have been the best thing considering they have a realistic chance of making the playoffs by winning their remaining three games.

Again, there was NO reason to fiscally handcuff us when we did to Rodgers further. Play the 2022 season first and see what is happening...make the decision of the future after this year...sign Rodgers to an extension or don't and 2023 is his final contracted year and decide on Love. Shoot truthfully no decision on either of them needed done until after 2023 season if we want to be honest. Both were signed through that year, Rodgers without his extension and Love without his 5th year option.

Rodgers was set to count $46.7 million towards the cap before signing the extension in March. There was no way for the Packers to make it work that way, therefore a move was necessary to reduce his cap hit for this season.

That's why the best-case scenario for the Packers might just be to lose Sunday and let Love play in at least one game that means something for the opponent (the Lions playoff hopes) and maybe the Vikings (playoff seeding).

Once again, I just don't understand that way of thinking.

 

[tynimiller]

I am VERY EXCITED to share a RB that I truly would love to pair with Dillon and bonus would be if Jones is here for another year (following a contract restructure of course).

DEUCE VAUGHN RB KANSAS STATE

I'm just gonna say it now, he may be the most unique RB that I've liked in years. This dude has a frame which is thick despite being just 5'6'...yes you read that right, the dude is short...BUT carries his 180lb frame with no fear and is SLIPPERY QUICK and when he gets even as they say he is LEAVIN'!

This cat has been a production BOMB since his first snap...producing the following years:

2020 - 123 attempts for 642 yards which is a 5.2 average - 7 TDs
2021 - 235 attempts for 1,404 yards which is a 6.0 average - 18 TDs
2022 - 271 attempts for 1,425 yards which is a 5.3 average - 8 TDs

Those figures alone are FREAKING STUDLY...but check this out:

2020 - 25 receptions for 434 yards which is a 17.4 average - 2 TDs
2021 - 49 receptions for 468 yards which is a 9.6 average - 4 TDs
2022 - 42 receptions for 378 yards which is a 9.0 average - 3 TDs

This joker in three seasons has produced 3,471 yards on the ground, 1,280 yards through the air, 33 rushing TDs and 9 receiving TDs...this is about as elite level production as you could hope to see or get.

I don't say this lightly...but I truly see this young man as WORST case being a Darren Sproles level player. That is WORST case. Truthfully I see him as the perfect mix of Darren Sproles and Maurice Jones Drew truthfully...he is like taking the best of both of those shorter historical RBs and making a player out the combo.

Where does he get drafted....well that is tough to predict. I wouldn't be shocked if a team would gamble on him in the late second...but he IMO for sure better be off the board no later than the 4th round's completion.

I cannot imagine how much I would love the backfield pairing of him with Dillon and Jones....or if Jones leaves Dillon and I bet Tyler Goodson

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[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not sure about it but didn't Love mention that he wanted to be a starter next season at some point over the past few weeks?

Just another writer (Jason Wilde) speculation.

"I had a really great conversation with Jordan [Love] on Friday afternoon," Wilde said. "I think he very clearly, even though he wouldn't flat-out say it, he does not want to sit for another year. So, if we get to year four, and Rodgers does come back, I am fairly confident that he will seek a trade."

So interpret that the way you want to. I doubt many NFL players are going to tell a reporter that they don't want to be a starter, especially a guy approaching his 4th year in the league. I would actually be more worried about Love had he said "this is a great gig, I'm a backup to a FHOF and I am prepared to do this the rest of my career."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have a hard time understanding fans suggesting that the Packers having been eliminated at this point would have been the best thing considering they have a realistic chance of making the playoffs by winning their remaining three games.

We differ in opinions is all. I'm looking ahead to the future and thinking that the benefits of playing Jordan Love and other younger players, as well as potentially improving our draft position quite a bit, outweighs the short term satisfaction of winning a few games and then most likely getting knocked out of the playoffs in week 1.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am VERY EXCITED to share a RB that I truly would love to pair with Dillon and bonus would be if Jones is here for another year (following a contract restructure of course).

DEUCE VAUGHN RB KANSAS STATE

I'm just gonna say it now, he may be the most unique RB that I've liked in years. This dude has a frame which is thick despite being just 5'6'...yes you read that right, the dude is short...BUT carries his 180lb frame with no fear and is SLIPPERY QUICK and when he gets even as they say he is LEAVIN'!

This cat has been a production BOMB since his first snap...producing the following years:

2020 - 123 attempts for 642 yards which is a 5.2 average - 7 TDs
2021 - 235 attempts for 1,404 yards which is a 6.0 average - 18 TDs
2022 - 271 attempts for 1,425 yards which is a 5.3 average - 8 TDs

Those figures alone are FREAKING STUDLY...but check this out:

2020 - 25 receptions for 434 yards which is a 17.4 average - 2 TDs
2021 - 49 receptions for 468 yards which is a 9.6 average - 4 TDs
2022 - 42 receptions for 378 yards which is a 9.0 average - 3 TDs

This joker in three seasons has produced 3,471 yards on the ground, 1,280 yards through the air, 33 rushing TDs and 9 receiving TDs...this is about as elite level production as you could hope to see or get.

I don't say this lightly...but I truly see this young man as WORST case being a Darren Sproles level player. That is WORST case. Truthfully I see him as the perfect mix of Darren Sproles and Maurice Jones Drew truthfully...he is like taking the best of both of those shorter historical RBs and making a player out the combo.

Where does he get drafted....well that is tough to predict. I wouldn't be shocked if a team would gamble on him in the late second...but he IMO for sure better be off the board no later than the 4th round's completion.

I cannot imagine how much I would love the backfield pairing of him with Dillon and Jones....or if Jones leaves Dillon and I bet Tyler Goodson

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Another guy to watch, thanks Ty. I'm not opposed to short running backs. 180 lbs doesn't sound like a lot, but at 5'6", that's compact and he'll add another 10 or 15 lbs in the NFL. My only concerns 1) can he take hits? and 2) he probably won't be effective as a receiver other than screens and final check downs from the backfield. Sounds like a 3rd or 4th rounder, but with those production numbers, who knows? If Jones stays, he could be a third back replacing Taylor - possibly as Taylor has done a decent job.

Also I saw a CBS Sports mock draft that had Mayer going to the Packers at #14. I hope that one plays out...... I think after Pitts going at #4, teams are done drafting TEs in the top 10. Just an opinion......

 

[tynimiller]

Another guy to watch, thanks Ty. I'm not opposed to short running backs. 180 lbs doesn't sound like a lot, but at 5'6", that's compact and he'll add another 10 or 15 lbs in the NFL. My only concerns 1) can he take hits? and 2) he probably won't be effective as a receiver other than screens and final check downs from the backfield. Sounds like a 3rd or 4th rounder, but with those production numbers, who knows? If Jones stays, he could be a third back replacing Taylor - possibly as Taylor has done a decent job.

Also I saw a CBS Sports mock draft that had Mayer going to the Packers at #14. I hope that one plays out...... I think after Pitts going at #4, teams are done drafting TEs in the top 10. Just an opinion......

Deuce has EXCELLENT hands, you could motion him to the slot and be deadly just as Jones is IMO...he won't be able to get as high with his highpoint but this cat will pluck the ball out of the air with the best RBs in the draft and many in the league.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Deuce has EXCELLENT hands, you could motion him to the slot and be deadly just as Jones is IMO...he won't be able to get as high with his highpoint but this cat will pluck the ball out of the air with the best RBs in the draft and many in the league.

Good point, he could be used out of the slot. The QB will have a challenge and need to put more loft on the ball to get over the jumping DL. Anyway, another good one Ty. Makes the draft much more interesting - and I don't want to do the research!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am VERY EXCITED to share a RB that I truly would love to pair with Dillon and bonus would be if Jones is here for another year (following a contract restructure of course).

DEUCE VAUGHN RB KANSAS STATE

Where does he get drafted....well that is tough to predict. I wouldn't be shocked if a team would gamble on him in the late second...but he IMO for sure better be off the board no later than the 4th round's completion.

I might be fine with the Packers spending a fourth rounder on Vaughn but definitely don't want them to spend a day two pick on a running back as long as Jones and Dillon are around.

Just another writer (Jason Wilde) speculation.

"I had a really great conversation with Jordan [Love] on Friday afternoon," Wilde said. "I think he very clearly, even though he wouldn't flat-out say it, he does not want to sit for another year. So, if we get to year four, and Rodgers does come back, I am fairly confident that he will seek a trade."

So interpret that the way you want to.

I don't think there's much room for interpretation. It seems pretty obvious, at least to Wilde, that Love would seek a trade if Rodgers comes back for next season.

We differ in opinions is all. I'm looking ahead to the future and thinking that the benefits of playing Jordan Love and other younger players, as well as potentially improving our draft position quite a bit, outweighs the short term satisfaction of winning a few games and then most likely getting knocked out of the playoffs in week 1.

As I have mentioned repeatedly, I don't expect the Packers to win out and go on a run in the playoffs either. But there's a small chance that might end up happening. Therefore I don't understand advocating for the team to tank as long as there's a theoretical chance of making it to the playoffs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Therefore I don't understand advocating for the team to tank as long as there's a theoretical chance of making it to the playoffs.

Again, we just differ on opinions is all.

Whoever said I was advocating for the team to tank? I said I thought that they should look at the situation for what it is and take advantage of a lost season by playing Love and other players that will still be with the team in 2023. I don't call that tanking, I call that looking long term, at ways to improve the team.

I guarantee you that if the Packers somehow win the last 5 games of their season and don't make the playoffs or lose in the first round, nobody is going to be too excited about that and look back at this season as a "came so close to winning it all" one.

We can revisit this topic come April 27th and again at the 5th year option, as well as at final 2023 cutdowns.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Whoever said I was advocating for the team to tank? I said I thought that they should look at the situation for what it is and take advantage of a lost season by playing Love and other players that will still be with the team in 2023.

I definitely consider sitting healthy starters as tanking, especially with the team still have a shot at the playoffs.

I guarantee you that if the Packers somehow win the last 5 games of their season and don't make the playoffs or lose in the first round, nobody is going to be too excited about that and look back at this season as a "came so close to winning it all" one.

True, but you can't guarantee that they don't get hot at the right time and end up doing better than that. There's no reason to take away that possibility by playing for a better draft position.

We can revisit this topic come April 27th and again at the 5th year option, as well as at final 2023 cutdowns.

We might want to revisit it a bit earlier, how about February 12th?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

True, but you can't guarantee that they don't get hot at the right time and end up doing better than that. There's no reason to take away that possibility by playing for a better draft position.

You conveniently left out the part about Jordan Love and other young players getting some valuable playing time and even more importantly, allowing the Packer coaches to see what they have for 2023. Getting better draft picks is just an added bonus.

We might want to revisit it a bit earlier, how about February 12th?

I'll probably be skiing on that day, nothing worth watching on TV for sure.

The Packers have beaten 1 team with a record above .500 this season, the Cowboys. Their losses have been pretty ugly and at no point have they looked like a playoff contender. If they were 9-6, won 5 straight and looked really good in the process, I would have a lot more faith that this might be their year to win it all. Sorry Packer fans, they just don't look like THAT team this season and back to back wins against the Bears and Rams...pffttt.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You conveniently left out the part about Jordan Love and other young players getting some valuable playing time and even more importantly, allowing the Packer coaches to see what they have for 2023. Getting better draft picks is just an added bonus.

As I have mentioned repeatedly I would definitely be in favor of playing some young players including Love once the Packers are eliminated from the playoffs.

It's not the correct approach as long as they have a chance at making the playoffs.

Imagine the outcry about it if the Packers had benched Rodgers and other starters two weeks ago with the way other teams ahead of them have performed over the past few weeks resulting in only the Commanders having to lose another one for Green Bay to make the playoffs if they win out. And the complaining would definitely be justified.

The Packers have beaten 1 team with a record above .500 this season, the Cowboys. Their losses have been pretty ugly and at no point have they looked like a playoff contender. If they were 9-6, won 5 straight and looked really good in the process, I would have a lot more faith that this might be their year to win it all. Sorry Packer fans, they just don't look like THAT team this season and back to back wins against the Bears and Rams...pffttt.

Once again, I don't believe the Packers are good enough to make a run this season either but it's far from guaranteed they can't get it together for a possible seven games.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm officially hitching myself to the Braeden Daniels OT from Utah train. 6'4' 297lbs

I refuse to go as far as to say he is this upcoming draft's Zach Tom, however I love and appreciate his versatility and experience...I will say I feel his performance this final season at LT illustrated more than I thought was there revisiting some of my notes on him from previous years. He has however career starts all OVER the line - 18 at LG, 13 at LT and 11 at RT...many like Tom say he may be best suited at guard given his size being more slight (played at sub 300lbs) and his reach not anything terribly long (be curious what he actually measures at because I question this claim some are making...he looks like he has solid reach)

I'll say it now, this is a tackle prospect that if he has the Reese's senior bowl I predict will start rising up many boards across the nation. I firmly can say I'm an early Day 3 guy at the LATEST on him and wouldn't be shocked or mad if a team decided they liked him enough for a late Day 2 pick.

There is a lot to like about Braeden and I suspect his RAS score will be solid if not strong, and like Tom I see his slighter frame as a positive and GB could build him into what they want or need him to be at depending on where he is placed along the front.

Remember the name Braeden Daniels, I suspect he is going to be a good one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm officially hitching myself to the Braeden Daniels OT from Utah train. 6'4' 297lbs

I refuse to go as far as to say he is this upcoming draft's Zach Tom, however I love and appreciate his versatility and experience...I will say I feel his performance this final season at LT illustrated more than I thought was there revisiting some of my notes on him from previous years. He has however career starts all OVER the line - 18 at LG, 13 at LT and 11 at RT...many like Tom say he may be best suited at guard given his size being more slight (played at sub 300lbs) and his reach not anything terribly long (be curious what he actually measures at because I question this claim some are making...he looks like he has solid reach)

I'll say it now, this is a tackle prospect that if he has the Reese's senior bowl I predict will start rising up many boards across the nation. I firmly can say I'm an early Day 3 guy at the LATEST on him and wouldn't be shocked or mad if a team decided they liked him enough for a late Day 2 pick.

There is a lot to like about Braeden and I suspect his RAS score will be solid if not strong, and like Tom I see his slighter frame as a positive and GB could build him into what they want or need him to be at depending on where he is placed along the front.

Remember the name Braeden Daniels, I suspect he is going to be a good one.

Good analysis. I am a firm believer and the Packers are the proof of it, you don't need to use first or even second round picks on the offensive line. Especially, when you already have Bahk, Jenkins and all the other O-lineman that the Packers have. However, I do think you need to keep refreshing it with guys like Braeden Daniels. Granted, Jenkins was a mid 2nd round pick and really worked out, but so have mid to late round picks for the Packers.

 

[tynimiller]

Good analysis. I am a firm believer and the Packers are the proof of it, you don't need to use first or even second round picks on the offensive line. Especially, when you already have Bahk, Jenkins and all the other O-lineman that the Packers have. However, I do think you need to keep refreshing it with guys like Braeden Daniels. Granted, Jenkins was a mid 2nd round pick and really worked out, but so have mid to late round picks for the Packers.

I agree and disagree.

I could fully support depending where players fall picking a first round or second round Tackle prospect IF we lose Yosh and we have concerns long term for Bakh.

However, it seems Tom is legit, Newman while having a down year I think will grow worst case into a VERY serviceable back up...Jenkins is here for long haul and Bakh is still one of the best still this year when playing. That still has Caleb Jones, Walker, Tenuta, Hanson, Rhyan...

 

[tynimiller]

Alright, with the legit chance Love or Rodgers isn't here for the 2023 season (personally I'd place my confidence in one of them being gone around 65%) quarterback is a position being cognizant of for the draft is a worthwhile endeavor.

Now with that said I strongly believe regardless of who is our QB in 2023 season - there is ZERO chance we decide to draft a first day QB. OL depending what we finagle with Jenkins and Yosh could QUICKLY become a desperate need IMO, Amos is most likely gone and a starting caliber S would be massive and both of our starting TEs are possibly out so a trade back or stay and draft Michael Mayer is logical far more than QB. Shoot I would say the only positions less likely for us to draft a QB Day 1 is a punter or a kicker.

So with that I remove CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis and Anthony Richardson from the possibles...now sure could one of these fall to our second round pick, sure...but I still think it is a misstep to draft a QB before Day 3 personally. If you stay Rodgers you essentially know season is over if he cannot play so you sign a cheap back up (keep Danny Etling) and you try to load up and hit contributing rookies like you did in 2022...if you roll Love that is perhaps even more crucial because he isn't a HOF QB and the more talent and help you can give the better chance of success he has.

Here are three of my "guys" I like as of now at the QB position for the 2023 draft:

Clayton Tune QB Houston 6'3 220lbs

I'll be honest I truly think Tune has the moxy, grit and clutch ability to be the QB outside the top tier guys that we all might look back on in a few years and be wondering how he went Day 3. Now this could take time to happen depending where he ends up, but there is a lot to like out of Tune. It was his third year when he took over full responsibility of the Cougars offense and has never looked back. His last three years have shown progress across the board as a player:

2020 - (only 8 games) 170 for 285 (59.6%) / 15 TDs / 10 INTs Rating of 130.4...chipping in 253 yards on the ground with 5 TDs as well.
2021 - (14 games) 287 for 420 (68.3%) / 30 TDs / 10 INTs Rating of 158.0...chipping in 154 yards on the ground with 2 TDs as well.
2022 - (12 games) 316 for 469 (67.4%) / 37 TDs / 10 INT Rating of 158.0...chipping in 489 yards on the ground with 5 TDs as well.

Tune has zero fear of taking hits, getting hit or lowering his shoulder for a yard if you need a yard. He had to produce at a VERY high level this year as Houston had zero defensive ability and essentially Tune and the offense had to put up 30+ points to even have a shot at W for this season....all he did was deliver 7 games of 3 TDs or more through the air and their 77-63 win against SMU Tune was a walking highlight reel putting up 7 TDs through the air and 527 yards along with 111 yards on the ground and a TD.

The only knock on Tune is the only reason he doesn't go Day 2 IMO and that is his deep ball needs growth.

Jake Haener QB Fresno State 6'1' 195lbs

Haener is a touch shorter and a little less of an athlete than the aforementioned Tune...but this cat's arm, arm anticipation and pre-snap reading is more there than Tune illustrates. This QB produced a 4,000+ yard passing year just in 2021 (4,096yds / 33 TDs / 9 INTs / 67.1%) and followed up with a solid campaign with three less games this season (2,896yds / 20 TDs / 3 INTs / 72.0%).

I think what I love best about Haener is one play you'll see him launch a bullet on a ten yard crosser to his receiver that leaves his hand before the WR break and is on him immediately off break...then the next play he'll do a far curl route with enough zip to hit the WR before the DB in soft coverage can get there...then the next play he'll high arch drop a touch ball for a 40 yarder. He can make all the throws, it's all going to be about his progression and absorption of the next level...sitting behind a starter and learning could lead this young man to have a Jimmy G type story eventually deserving a starting job.



Jaren Hall QB BYU 6'1' 205lbs

Hall is the only QB I'm going to list that I feel is worth possibly picking even for us in the third round....shoot that round is cursed right now so might as well gamble on a QB that isn't playing till 2024 at the absolute earliest. Hall is a multi-faceted QB that can hurt teams through the air and the ground a TON. Putting up 6,174 passing yards / with 65.2% completion rate and 52 TDs / 11 INTs just the last two seasons Hall has a lot to offer...and has averaged 4.5 yards per carry the last two seasons providing 653 yards and 6 TDs in that same span. *There is a chance Hall doesn't declare...he's right at that cusp of betting on himself and going back...but with more doing this it seems this year is there congestion forming at the position next year? (Bo Nix is one that comes to mind choosing to go back).

I'm going to add a fourth and fifth I like QB to keep eye on for that Day 3 type insurance pick possibly:

Tanner McKee Stanford 6'6' 230lbs

Tanner is a big arm passer that can make every NFL throw needed. The issue I have with him is he is a nod to the old school pocket passer that will not evade and run hardly ever. I mean EVER. But you want a very smart, very good arm as your back up QB McKee will be everything you hope to have there. I personally would take Haener and Tune before him which disagrees with some folks out there saying McKee may find himself being called the 6th/7th QB (Stroud, Young, Levis, Richardson, Hall...) in the class.

Aidan O'Connel Purdue 6'3' 210lbs

Aidan is FEARLESS. This young man will step into a throw despite having a DL mere feet from smashing him flat...and he needs to be that because he is not much of a running threat despite this fearless mentality so staying in the pocket as it collapses is something he has learned to do and do well. Honestly his gamer and moxie mentality remind me somewhat of Favre-ish mindset...if he turns the ball over there is zero timidness the next possession and he will let it rip right back to the DB that nabbed him. His two years as full time starter (came to PU as a walk on) he produced:

2021 - 3,712 yards with 315 comps on 440 attempts (71.6%) with 28 TDs and 11 INTs
2022 - 3,490 yards with 320 comps on 499 attempts (64.1 %) with 22 TDs and 13 INTs *he had far inferior weapons this season compared to last.


Hendon ******...I know one forum member asked my thoughts on ******....personally I just don't see the Vols system making it an easy transition for ******...he is the wildcard of this draft IMO. He could become the absolute steal of this draft like Dak did for his...and honestly I feel if you told me to place a bet which QB of the 2023 draft we all will look back on and say should have went higher I suspect I'd put most of my money on Jaren Hall and the remainder on ******....but ****** could also IMO be out of the league before his rookie deal is done as well to me.

 

[Magooch]

Hendon ******...I know one forum member asked my thoughts on ******....personally I just don't see the Vols system making it an easy transition for ******...he is the wildcard of this draft IMO. He could become the absolute steal of this draft like Dak did for his...and honestly I feel if you told me to place a bet which QB of the 2023 draft we all will look back on and say should have went higher I suspect I'd put most of my money on Jaren Hall and the remainder on ******....but ****** could also IMO be out of the league before his rookie deal is done as well to me.

I think he’s going to go a bit under the radar too, like him quite okay myself as well but man they’re gonna have to tweak the forum’s censor-bot if we get him cause this ain’t gonna work ^

 

[tynimiller]

Chase Brown HB Illinois 5'11' 205lbs - This is a mid round HB I'd 100% get on board with drafting in that 4th round range if Jones and Packers part ways. Over the past two seasons Brown separated himself as one of the better backs in the entire college world. Compiling 2,649 yards on the ground and 15 TDs while averaging 5.9 in 2021 and 5.0 in 2022 per carry Brown produces. He doesn't stop there as he chips in as a receiver too producing this last year 240 yards and 3 TDs with a 8.9 Yards Per Reception. The game where he caught my serious attention was when he put up 140 yards / 2 TDs on the ground and 3 receptions for 24 against Michigan in their near upset of the Wolverines in November. His 2022 season folks he put up 100 or more yards in all but two games, put up 125 or more in all but three...kid is special form of production.

He also has a 4.42 recorded forty time in the past and I'm curious to see where he clocks in at.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Too bad Georgia's TE Brock Bowers has another year, before he can declare for the draft. That guy is going to play himself into a top 10 pick next year. Have seen him play a couple of times this season, but last night, just WOW!

 

[tynimiller]

Too bad Georgia's TE Brock Bowers has another year, before he can declare for the draft. That guy is going to play himself into a top 10 pick next year. Have seen him play a couple of times this season, but last night, just WOW!

Bowers is a guy I like as much as Mayer, he isn't the exact same mold and definitely more of a Ebron/Pitts receiving purer type but dude is going to be special.

He is everything you hope Dalton Kincaid (this year's draft) becomes for you, but reality is Bowers is already that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Stetson Bennett has impressed me this year too. I know, he is short (5'11") but so is Russell Wilson, Drew Breese and others. I wouldn't spend a day 2 pick on him, but if he is around in the 4th or 5th round, I would start thinking about it. Now that also depends on the plans for Rodgers and Love. Will Bennett ever be a really good QB #1 in the NFL? Probably not, but worth a late round flier, even if all you get is a decent backup.