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Jones is averaging 3.8 this year per carry / Dillon 3.5....barely any difference this year.
Jones has really been hampered by injuries - the hamstring in the opener and then the MCL sprain. Dillon started slow but has played better, until he broke his thumb.

But even if both had been playing regularly, RB will need to be addressed in the draft. None of the guys behind Jones and Dillon have shown much.
 

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Im not getting why youd have to drop watson to draft Marvin Harrison Jr

The way i see it they have 4 locks at wr heading into 2024...
Christian Watson (2nd), Romeo Doubs (4th), Jayden Reed (2nd), Dontayvion Wicks (5th)

And 2 locks at te...
Luke Musgrave (2nd), Tucker Kraft (3rd)

That leaves room for up to 2 wrs and 2 tes on the 53 man roster.

Marvin Harrison Jr (1st) and another mid round guy has to be an option at wr. As does possibly a more veteran guy like Tee Higgins or bpa Mike Evans. Malik Heath could definitely stick as well

At te a more veteran guy also has to be an option along with a mid round pick. Ben Sims could also hold onto his spot
It wasn't a have to, it was a hypothetical question. You have to do one or the other in my imaginary question, if you don't then the world blows up etc. I said drop Watson to get top 4 receiver he said keep Watson but lose someone if we drafted someone in the 2nd or 3rd round.
This is all just made up during game questions. Nothing to do with how we actually draft, just a question.
 

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Which shows us just how bad the run blocking has been this year.
In addition to finding a solid starting LT, maybe in round 1, Gluten needs to add more talent to this unit. Over the years, we've gotten pretty spoiled by solid drafting and solid to elite play from the OL. The two biggest problems I see are at LT with Bakh all but gone, and C. Myers isn't even an average C.

Fixing the OL solves a lot of problems on offense. To some extent, same for the DL. Clark is getting older and Wyatt has disappointed. Gluten needs to fix S first on D, but help is needed on the DL.
 

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In addition to finding a solid starting LT, maybe in round 1, Gluten needs to add more talent to this unit. Over the years, we've gotten pretty spoiled by solid drafting and solid to elite play from the OL. The two biggest problems I see are at LT with Bakh all but gone, and C. Myers isn't even an average C.

Fixing the OL solves a lot of problems on offense. To some extent, same for the DL. Clark is getting older and Wyatt has disappointed. Gluten needs to fix S first on D, but help is needed on the DL.
We haven't had a consistently dominant running game since the Devine era. Occasionally a good ground game for a season or two but never a consistent threat. Would be nice to be able to get 3rd & 2 on the ground more often than through the air. Or be able to do a 5-6 minute grind out the clock drive to end the game. Or the RBs not having to evade TFLs before they get to the LoS.
 

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How did adding a veteran insurance WR work out last season? Did he even get active on game day?
Not once if I recall. Yet he sucked up cap room. I can't even remember his name, but I remember him hanging around getting a paycheck.
 

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Not once if I recall. Yet he sucked up cap room. I can't even remember his name, but I remember him hanging around getting a paycheck.
Sammy Watkins?

He was active for 9 games while with us and started 3. Targeted 22 times with 13 receptions and 206 yards.
 

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Sammy Watkins?

He was active for 9 games while with us and started 3. Targeted 22 times with 13 receptions and 206 yards.
As an old-timer, that's one of the things that has tempered my enthusiasm. There are plenty of guys who suck up cap space in return for minimal to no production, including some that are among our favorites.
 

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Finding someone who is going to be a real help to a team means spending money. Green Bay ain't had no money to spend. Still don't. This year showed how badly the cap was already stretched. They had to make concessions to players that stretched it even more down the road. :(
 

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We haven't had a consistently dominant running game since the Devine era. Occasionally a good ground game for a season or two but never a consistent threat. Would be nice to be able to get 3rd & 2 on the ground more often than through the air. Or be able to do a 5-6 minute grind out the clock drive to end the game. Or the RBs not having to evade TFLs before they get to the LoS.
Good point. I know the running game hasn't been consistent, although I might go back as far as the 60s. There are other teams that routinely pick up first downs running on 3rd and 2, and who can close out a game with a time-consuming drive. I can't remember the last time I saw a MLF team run on 3rd and 2. That's pretty pathetic.

Given the short shelf-life of RBs, a consistent run game requires 1) good drafting per many years and 2) a consistently top 10 or top 5 O line.

I'm curious - you mention the Devine era. I don't even recall the RBs from that era. Any further insight would be appreciated because I can only think of Taylor and Hornung, maybe Ahman Green. Even the SB teams had short-lived RBs who excelled for a year or two, nothing consistent.
 

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I don't know that any of our wide receivers end up being elite as individuals. But along with our tight ends, and all these young guys growing together with Love, the whole could end up being a very lethal passing game.
Good observation Packer. Even when Favre and Rodgers were in town, the best games involved 7 or 8 different receivers, if not more. Adams is a stand out, but even he wouldn't get the majority of the receptions every week. (Now he certainly was a "go to" guy, maybe the best the Packers have had.)

So yeah, it looks like they have at least 4 or 5 guys who can be counted on every week, maybe more if Watson could play and the RBs could be more involved in the passing game.
 

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I'm curious - you mention the Devine era. I don't even recall the RBs from that era. Any further insight would be appreciated because I can only think of Taylor and Hornung, maybe Ahman Green. Even the SB teams had short-lived RBs who excelled for a year or two, nothing consistent.
John Brockington. MacArthur Lane IIRC Brockington was the first NFL back to get 1000 yards in each of his first 3 seasons.
 

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I would say a top flite WR is a luxury pick this season. Especially if we draft in the top half of rd 1. One of several need positions could be filled at that spot.
I'd only take a WR in the top half of round 1 if he was the BPA. It looks like there are 3 really elite guys in this upcoming draft class.

I recall many of us were wringing our hands over the state of our WR and TE rooms last summer. It looks like Gute and company were right about that at least.
 

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Um.....so let me get this straight it is either keep watson but lose all the guys you listed or draft Harrison Jr and lose Watson?

I'm sorry but that is the easiest choice ever and not even something which should be considered. You keep everyone but Watson and add MHJr.
Harrison Jr. might be gone before the 5th pick.
 

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Agree with almost everything here El G, and well said. And yes, defensive ppg is how a D should be measured over the long haul. And it's easy to se why. Ya gotta score more points than ya give up.

As for taking the BPA in the draft, almost no team does it. And a lot depends on where a team stands as far as current talent. Can a team with no good answer at QB afford to not take a solid QB? Probably not, and really QB isn't the best example.

But that's not the Packers (they don't need a QB now anyway, although I would just say the jury is still out on whether Love was the BPA in 2020, my only disagreement). The Packers can afford to take the BPA, and if they were to do that over time, with discipline, they'd get better and have fewer busts. There are a few other practical limitations, but I like the idea of taking the BPA as a matter of practice.

I can easily argue with myself on this point. The Packers needs right now are LT, S, CB, and RB, roughly in order. If a solid LT is sitting there, I probably wouldn't be too upset if he was taken over a BPA. My point is that teams that consistently drafted the BPA would probably end up with better players. I'm certain I'll get disagreement on this. And it's pretty subjective anyway, especially after round 2 or 3.
With the way Walker is playing is LT the biggest need this year? I suspect interior linemen are a bigger need this time.
 

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We haven't had a consistently dominant running game since the Devine era. Occasionally a good ground game for a season or two but never a consistent threat. Would be nice to be able to get 3rd & 2 on the ground more often than through the air. Or be able to do a 5-6 minute grind out the clock drive to end the game. Or the RBs not having to evade TFLs before they get to the LoS.
Ahman Green would like a word. ;)
 

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With the way Walker is playing is LT the biggest need this year? I suspect interior linemen are a bigger need this time.
Walker might be playing a good LT now but the debate will be if he can become a stud top 10 player. Take one in the first as insurance and the loser of the competition can go to right and free up Tom for an interior battle.
 
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We haven't had a consistently dominant running game since the Devine era. Occasionally a good ground game for a season or two but never a consistent threat. Would be nice to be able to get 3rd & 2 on the ground more often than through the air. Or be able to do a 5-6 minute grind out the clock drive to end the game. Or the RBs not having to evade TFLs before they get to the LoS.
True that. Really with Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon we should be dominating teams on the ground. As said earlier, lots of confusion at OL and struggles earlier at LT, C, RG really hurt our Run game.

That said, the Passing game has been moderately good. Next year we should have a bit more experience at WR. Then possibly an upgrade or two on OL, plus I’m fully expecting a good RB from RD3,4 area.

I still think with 7 draft picks in 4 Rounds we should be open to adding 1 WR specialist. Someone who is dynamic in “after contact” or “after catch” yardage. That or Possibly a RB dual threat that is highly equipped in the Receiving game like a Bucky Irving or Frank Gore Jr.
 

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John Brockington. MacArthur Lane IIRC Brockington was the first NFL back to get 1000 yards in each of his first 3 seasons.
Brockington! I remember the three 1,000 yard seasons. He was a bruiser of a RB as well, kind of a combo of Jones and Dillon. Thanks for the reminder.

I thought Eddy Lacey got off to a good start, but he couldn't keep the weight off and had a short career I think. thought he ended up in Seattle as a FA.
 

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