Would you want him back?

[Jerellh528]

I don't think anybody would expect "greatness" from Walden. It's a question of some veteran depth for not a lot of money. Do you really want your backup/rotation at OLB to be Fackrell and Elliott? I know I don't.

Fackrell is a good backup imo

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Fackrell is a good backup imo

In my opinion Fackrell hasn't played enough snaps on defense so far to make such an evaluation. He needs to add strength to contribute on a consistent basis.

 

[Poppa San]

In my opinion

For future events, all we have to go on is opinion. Excluding stats of past events, all we have to go on is opinion. The main thrust of this board and debate is because all we have to go on is opinion. In my opinion of course.

 

[Half Empty]

I certainly agree, but I prefer posters who acknowledge their opinions. Too many put forth an opinion as fact, and then they team it with one of my pet peeves - 'game over', 'case closed', 'enough said', or some other variation on the theme of 'I said it, therefore nobody can dispute it'.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

"In my opinion" (IMO) is often not necessary in a post, but sometimes you like to separate your thought(s) from facts or things already said by a previous poster, although that is next to impossible sometimes (originality). I often edit a post and add or subtract "IMO", because as you both point out, much of what is posted is our opinions, so to state it could be considered redundant. I will go on record as saying that most of what I post is my opinion, but often based on things I read. If there is a direct source or fact, I try to include that.

Lots of grey area as well, for instance Captain's statement:

In my opinion Fackrell hasn't played enough snaps on defense so far to make such an evaluation. He needs to add strength to contribute on a consistent basis.

If you remove his "IMO" another poster is going to try and take what he said as him trying to state a fact and debate him on it being fact or an opinion. In this case, he made it obvious, its strictly his opinion.

 

[PikeBadger]

"In my opinion" (IMO) is often not necessary in a post, but sometimes you like to separate your thought(s) from facts or things already said by a previous poster, although that is next to impossible sometimes (originality). I often edit a post and add or subtract "IMO", because as you both point out, much of what is posted is our opinions, so to state it could be considered redundant. I will go on record as saying that most of what I post is my opinion, but often based on things I read. If there is a direct source or fact, I try to include that.

Lots of grey area as well, for instance Captain's statement:



If you remove his "IMO" another poster is going to try and take what he said as him trying to state a fact and debate him on it being fact or an opinion. In this case, he made it obvious, its strictly his opinion.

I think that's very true. I appreciate seeing the imo used.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think that's very true. I appreciate seeing the imo used.

IMO you are correct

 

[HardRightEdge]

If you remove his "IMO" another poster is going to try and take what he said as him trying to state a fact and debate him on it being fact or an opinion. In this case, he made it obvious, its strictly his opinion.

IMO , "IMO" is nearly always gratuitous in differentiating fact from opinion. In the example you cite, somebody saying a player has not taken enough snaps to make a proper evaluation, simply cannot be confused with a statement of fact. There's no handbook to refer to on the matter.

Fackrell took 160 defensive snaps last season. On balance, they were not impressive. (I don't think IMO is needed in front of that last sentence, do you?)

"IMO" is often just an expression of politeness..."I have my opinion, you're entitled to yours." That should go without saying. Sometimes "IMO" is a way to hedge an uncertainty. Why not just express the nature of the uncertainty?

I used to use it. I don't anymore. Just put it out there and see what comes back.

 

[PackerFanLV]

Nope whalden over runs every run play in the book.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Nope whalden over runs every run play in the book.

You're overreacting to a single terrible play that happened five years ago.

 

[Poppa San]

For future events, all we have to go on is opinion. Excluding stats of past events, all we have to go on is opinion. The main thrust of this board and debate is because all we have to go on is opinion. In my opinion of course.

I'll add to this by saying I've used IMO myself. And I'll most likely use it again. I just never recalled Capt using it which is why I highlighted it.
FWIW, I'll also use IIRC when I am to lazy or pressed to dig up the actual article or documentation for some past event like if it was two or three 100 yard receivers in a game 8 years ago.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'll add to this by saying I've used IMO myself. And I'll most likely use it again. I just never recalled Capt using it which is why I highlighted it.

A quick search with the forum's query provides 200 posts within the last 10 months in which I used it.

https://www.packerforum.com/search/6114742/?q=in+my+opinion&o=date&c[user][0]=6794

 

[thequick12]

I'd way rather TT draft a edge player in first 2 rounds than add Walden. I think Mario Williams would actually be a better option if going veteran route because he could fill the elephant role that pEppers and Jones played giving the team more flexibility within capers scheme

 

[Poppa San]

A quick search with the forum's query provides 200 posts within the last 10 months in which I used it.

https://www.packerforum.com/search/6114742/?q=in+my+opinion&o=date&c[user][0]=6794

Doh! I must just gloss over it then.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'd way rather TT draft a edge player in first 2 rounds than add Walden. I think Mario Williams would actually be a better option if going veteran route because he could fill the elephant role that pEppers and Jones played giving the team more flexibility within capers scheme

Williams has significantly regressed as a pass rusher though. The Packers might be best off improving the quality of the backups at edge rusher via the draft.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Erik Walden. The guy is turning 32, but had his best season last year with the Colts. He isn't really injury prone and could help our pass rush for at least a season or 2 probably. He turned in 11 sacks and multiple forced fumbles last year on a team where he didn't have much for running mates in the pass rushing category. In fact, I think his 11 sacks were good for a third of the teams sacks in general. So what would you guys think about bringing back Walden on a bargain deal? (He's only had reported interest from Titans and is still unsigned)

I'd "kick the tires" on him, so to speak. If you can get him on a one-year deal that's cap-friendly, sure. You can never have too many guys who can get to the quarterback.

 

[PikeBadger]

Williams has significantly regressed as a pass rusher though. The Packers might be best off improving the quality of the backups at edge rusher via the draft.

I think he's one of those guys who is likely to be more productive if he's not being counted on to be your premier pass rushing specialist, ala Sean Jones paired with Reggie White.

 

[Kitten]

Not a bad suggestion for us. I don't think it's a matter of Walden being a good fit for the Packers I think it's a matter of the Packers not being a good fit for Walden. It therefore falls on what Walden's expectations are. How much he's asking for and how much game time is he looking for. Those I fear are the sticking points. He could sign elsewhere and see more game time. His age is also something to consider him being so far not an injury issue notwithstanding.

I'm going with a negative on this one but that negative coming from Walden, not the Packers.

 

[PackerFanLV]

You're overreacting to a single terrible play that happened five years ago.

Capt he still does it even with the colts. He's a decent pass rusher but nothing more. If I'm TT I'm not wasting the money or time on him.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Capt he still does it even with the colts. He's a decent pass rusher but nothing more. If I'm TT I'm not wasting the money or time on him.

As I've mentioned above I agree the Packers should pass on Walden but it seems a lot of fans still evaluate him on misplaying Kaepernick's long TD run during the playoff loss at San Francisco.

 

[HardRightEdge]

As I've mentioned above I agree the Packers should pass on Walden but it seems a lot of fans still evaluate him on misplaying Kaepernick's long TD run during the playoff loss at San Francisco.

Kaepernick set the record for rushing yards by a QB with 181 yards. That's not just a playoff record; that's a record for any game ever. If memory serves, 179 yards was before contact, which by itself would have broken the record.

SF put up 29 first downs, gained 579 yds. and scored 45 points, all by by the offense.

And some fans want to single out Walden for this collective sh*t show based on one play? The Packers chose to single out Woodson by firing him for mouthing off after the game about Capers making no adjustments at halftime.

Any other DC who put this performance on the field, and followed it up with the Seattle collapse two years later, would be looking for a new job.

Walden was not the problem; it was Capers.

McCarthy likes to talk about "accountability". Well, where is it on the defensive side of the ball?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Capt he still does it even with the colts. He's a decent pass rusher but nothing more. If I'm TT I'm not wasting the money or time on him.

Still, as in a reference to ancient history? In that case, how about the 2010 game against the Bears? 16 tackles, 2 sacks, NFC Defensive Player of the Week.

This is another off season of Packer fans wanting champagne on a beer budget.

Even if one were to accept your argument, it's worth pointing out that the current backups are pretty shabby run defenders, or perhaps more rightly, when they defend on a run call they cannot transition to pass.

Somebody gets hurt and you want one of those guys taking 45 snaps over x games or the entire season? And should't we Perry's and Matthews' injury history? Sheesh.

I wouldn't venture a guess as to what other cheap, healthy vet options might be available after the post-draft cuts. But a Walden-like veteran should be on the menu.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Kaepernick set the record for rushing yards by a QB with 181 yards. That's not just a playoff record; that's a record for any game ever. If memory serves, 179 yards was before contact, which by itself would have broken the record.

SF put up 29 first downs, gained 579 yds. and scored 45 points, all by by the offense.

And some fans want to single out Walden for this collective sh*t show based on one play? The Packers chose to single out Woodson by firing him for mouthing off after the game about Capers making no adjustments at halftime.

Any other DC who put this performance on the field, and followed it up with the Seattle collapse two years later, would be looking for a new job.

Walden was not the problem; it was Capers.

McCarthy likes to talk about "accountability". Well, where is it on the defensive side of the ball?

I was absolutely surprised the Packers brought back Capers after the loss at San Francisco in the 2012 playoffs.