Why does Rodgers only want to throw to Adams?

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[gbgary]

he wasn't forcing the ball to adams yesterday. adams was in single coverage most of the day. they simply took advantage of it. houston was insane. lol

 

[RRyder]

Well I hit the ignore button on him so anything further he says to it will be discarded

But im sticking to what I said about fan opinion on the matter

It's proven fact, I got a ton of green check marks to back me up, and anyone who contradicts it is STUPID!!! I'm sticking to it and not ever changing my mind!!

Man I hope thats satire but if it isn't be honest. You didn't really put any thought in that while you were typing it did you?

 

[tynimiller]

Be honest. You didn't really put any thought in that while you were typing it did you?

Prepare to be ignored LOL

 

[RRyder]

Prepare to be ignored LOL

Not If I give him a green check mark

 

[swhitset]

Well I hit the ignore button on him so anything further he says to it will be discarded

But im sticking to what I said about fan opinion on the matter

It's proven fact, I got a ton of green check marks to back me up, and anyone who contradicts it is STUPID!!! I'm sticking to it and not ever changing my mind!!

I gave you a “green check mark” simply to say that I agree that the Packers’ wide receivers need an upgrade. I am not claiming that I agree that others have said that they don’t. As usual in this forum most people are just looking to argue even when they actually agree.

 

[GleefulGary]

I've said it before and I'll stress it again. To me I could care less how many times he tries to get it to Adams, the issue is when he has that terrible Cutler tunnel vision for him. It is a thing of beauty when he doesn't force it to Adams.

I very much disagree.

It’s not tunnel vision. It’s throwing to the guy who is open, and Adams is almost always the primary read, and almost always open.

 

[swhitset]

I very much disagree.

It’s not tunnel vision. It’s throwing to the guy who is open, and Adams is almost always the primary read, and almost always open.

I think that is the real problem if you are correct. If Adams is truly always the primary read.... that doesn’t seem too hard for a good defense to defend.

 

[GleefulGary]

Today's game should have highlighted why Rodgers needs to target Adams as much as he does, especially with Lazard out.

Sorry, but MVS just is what he is. Effective if he gets an easy ball thrown him when he's running free in the field, but otherwise unreliable. ESB ... too much of an injury liability and delivering very little when he is healthy.

Sorry, but I have to agree with @Pokerbrat2000, this WR group just is not totally fixed or deep enough.

Literally nobody thinks the WR group is fixed or deep enough. Quit making up arguments that aren’t there.

 

[GleefulGary]

They say it every time after every draft Gute foregoes drafting a WR

Well if they say it that often, you should be able to find multiple instances of it. Go!

 

[swhitset]

Well if they say it that often, you should be able to find multiple instances of it. Go!

well ... that would be twice so far... but is this really worth arguing about?

 

[GleefulGary]

You won't get any complaints from me about this

Adams is the only WR that is currently on the Packers 53 that should still be on this team in 2021. Gute needs to stop stacking the WR room with late round and UDFA's that only have "potential". That might be fine for your 5th and 6th guys, but those top 4 guys should be ready to play NFL football.

You...you don’t think Lazard should be on the team?

After 3 games he was on pace for a 69/1300 yard season while catching 76% of his targets. Now it’s unlikely he was going to get that over the whole season, but still, you just wanna let that guy walk? He’s a hard worker, Rodgers loves him, very good hands, good run blocker, good teammate, and HE PRODUCES! You wanna just let that walk?

That’s not to say he can’t be improved on, but you don’t let cheap, good, players go. Those guys are how you fill a roster. You’re not going to have pro bowl caliber backups at every friggin position. I’ve seen some stupid takes, but this is a bad one. C’mon man!

 

[GleefulGary]

I think that is the real problem if you are correct. If Adams is truly always the primary read.... that doesn’t seem too hard for a good defense to defend.

Not always, but the majority of the time. And again, I disagree. Rodgers doesn’t seem to have any problem spreading it around.

 

[GleefulGary]

well ... that would be twice so far... but is this really worth arguing about?

Everything is worth arguing about. Makes life more fun.

 

[swhitset]

Not always, but the majority of the time. And again, I disagree. Rodgers doesn’t seem to have any problem spreading it around.

See last week’s game against the Bucs when they ran into a good defense.

 

[tynimiller]

well ... that would be twice so far... but is this really worth arguing about?

With Carolina no, but with nearly any other person on here declaring such items yes it is worth requesting proof of such a claim. Honestly, requesting such isn't arguing really at all...I think that is the issue, vastly too many feel asking evidence to support a claim as arguing.

 

[swhitset]

With Carolina no, but with nearly any other person on here declaring such items yes it is worth requesting proof of such a claim. Honestly, requesting such isn't arguing really at all...I think that is the issue, vastly too many feel asking evidence to support a claim as arguing.

I agree with that conceptually.... but the subject matters too. I just don’t think the terms of the argument are defined enough to even be worth arguing about. It’s pretty well established that the Packers need some better receivers, but the argument now seems to have morphed into a nonsensical need to determine if someone has actually made the most extreme statement that the Receivers are all fine .... my point is who cares if anyone said that or not. At this point, it doesn’t change the fact that most agree that the receivers could use an upgrade. The real argument is whether it is actually possible to achieve that .... and or if it is more important than other considerations.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think that is the real problem if you are correct. If Adams is truly always the primary read.... that doesn’t seem too hard for a good defense to defend.

Agree. I think getting Lazard back on the 53 and hopefully picking up where he left off will help. Until then, teams can mainly focus on Adams and Jones, and dare us to beat them with fill in 4 WR names + TE's here.

 

[GleefulGary]

See last week’s game against the Bucs when they ran into a good defense.

One game does not make a trend.

 

[GleefulGary]

See last week’s game against the Bucs when they ran into a good defense.

Btw, that had more to do with the OL and Rodgers not handling the pressure well. Players were open, Rodgers just didn’t have the time, and when he did, he didn’t perform very well.

 

[swhitset]

One game does not make a trend.

Lol ... that’s an easy statement to make when they have only faced one decent defense so far. I would like to be proven incorrect... but frankly it’s not about 1 game it’s about many plays within that game.... most of which proved ineffectual because the defense was able to shut them down.... Yeah the offensive line was also ineffective.... but the same guys did ok against a lesser defense in Houston. The whole team matters, but if Rodgers doesn’t have enough weapons, it makes it much easier for a defense to game plan a successful attack.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With Carolina no, but with nearly any other person on here declaring such items yes it is worth requesting proof of such a claim. Honestly, requesting such isn't arguing really at all...I think that is the issue, vastly too many feel asking evidence to support a claim as arguing.

While I get your point and I don't think anyone flat out said "OMG, we are set at WR, these guys are studs", there were people talking about a number of things that indicated acceptance and complacency about the WR position.

1. Many talked about how this offense was just fine and it doesn't need to rely on having better WR's.
2. There has been talk as to MVS, EQ and even Shepherd just needing time to develop.
3. There was a whole thread on how the Packers are 6-0 when Adams doesn't play, which to me is someone implying even further that the Packers are just fine at WR, even when Adams isn't playing.
4. Then the "excuse" that I laugh at; "How do we know they haven't tried to land another WR?" Sorry, that excuse might work when you first realize a problem is there and it takes a bit of time to fix. However, 2 years later, it sounds more like an excuse or even worse, not acknowledging that a problem exists.

This offense has been and has appeared to be good for a number of reasons this season and none of them IMO are due to its plethora of quality WR's.

• Aaron Rodgers is your QB
• MLF's offense and play calling is in its 2nd year and is actually decent
• Inferior opponents (defense)
• Davante Adams
• Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams are a top 5 tandem in the NFL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The whole team matters, but if Rodgers doesn’t have enough weapons, it makes it much easier for a defense to game plan a successful attack.

Exactly and something some don't seem to understand or want to gloss over. If Rodgers has half the time to get rid of the ball due to the pass rush, he has to rely on his receivers to get open, catch what might be a quickly thrown ball or in the worst case scenario, get to a spot if Rodgers is scrambling for his life. We saw that from Jordy, Cobb, Jones and now Adams. The last 2 seasons, he hasn't had that luxury and when he is getting a lot of pressure, of course he is going to look for Adams first, its the one guy who has proven himself to be capable and trustworthy.

Asking guys like Davis, GMO, Janis, Abbredaris, Moore, MVS, Shepherd, EQ, Taylor to do be one of those guys, has thus far proven to not really be a good ask.

 

[Mondio]

Lol ... that’s an easy statement to make when they have only faced one decent defense so far. I would like to be proven incorrect... but frankly it’s not about 1 game it’s about many plays within that game.... most of which proved ineffectual because the defense was able to shut them down.... Yeah the offensive line was also ineffective.... but the same guys did ok against a lesser defense in Houston. The whole team matters, but if Rodgers doesn’t have enough weapons, it makes it much easier for a defense to game plan a successful attack.

if Rodgers would have spent the game sitting around looking for someone to throw it to, I would agree. But he pretty much spent the entire game getting hit, and getting hit quick many times.

If the Bucs are just that much better, then we don't have much chance 2nd time around, even with another WR if you ask me. But even if nobody asks me, i'm telling you I think their effort was poor once they fell behind. I think they tried to get the lead back with a big play rather than run the offense, then nothing worked and the effort got worse. I mean Jamaal, my man in the pass pro game, was standing flat footed on more than a few. he looked nothing like himself, and he's faced at least as good of pass rushers if not better. I put a lot of that game on getting out of the game plan and poor effort over anything else.

When in the game plan, they moved the ball right down the field on the bucs. Gaining yards and moving chains. Then they played drop back pass game with a horribly ineffective oline and less than stellar WR group. there was no recipe for success with that. I don't see another WR changing that much in that game by a long shot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

if Rodgers would have spent the game sitting around looking for someone to throw it to, I would agree. But he pretty much spent the entire game getting hit, and getting hit quick many times.

If the Bucs are just that much better, then we don't have much chance 2nd time around, even with another WR if you ask me. But even if nobody asks me, i'm telling you I think their effort was poor once they fell behind. I think they tried to get the lead back with a big play rather than run the offense, then nothing worked and the effort got worse. I mean Jamaal, my man in the pass pro game, was standing flat footed on more than a few. he looked nothing like himself, and he's faced at least as good of pass rushers if not better. I put a lot of that game on getting out of the game plan and poor effort over anything else.

When in the game plan, they moved the ball right down the field on the bucs. Gaining yards and moving chains. Then they played drop back pass game with a horribly ineffective oline and less than stellar WR group. there was no recipe for success with that. I don't see another WR changing that much in that game by a long shot.

Some valid points, I think Rodgers attitude, which can unravel fast, can be a big factor in some of the blow out losses we have seen in the last year. Against the Bucs, he basically threw back to back pick 6's and was fuming. At one point he tried to throw a short screen to EQ, it was obvious EQ had no clue it was coming, Rodgers was visibly pissed. At that point he looked defeated and I think a lot of that rubbed off on the rest of the team. I don't see the need to get into another 40 page thread on Rodgers either, its a fact, he can get rattled and not surprisingly when it has happened, his game is off. All the reasons I have seen him get rattled...

1. heavy pressure
2. constantly getting hit/sacked
3. OL not blocking well
4. very little time to make decisions
5. drops by his receivers
6. receivers not getting open
7. missed routes by his receivers
8. not agreeing with his coach

Probably some I missed and 1-4 all have to do with what a great defense brings. What do you do when you run up against a really good defense? You can't tell them to stop rushing so hard, hitting your QB or covering your receivers. If your OL isn't playing well, and you can't pass block or run, you have to pick your poison, which usually is short quick passes that require a much quicker release of the ball and very little room for mistakes to win the game. If that is the case and you don't have a lot of receiving weapons, your chances go way down to beat that defense.

I remember having this opposite issue many years ago. We had great receivers, but our running game was never all that good. So when we ran up against a team with a good secondary, they sat back and dared us to run, which we couldn't do. If I am a DC, I am going to run blitz the hell out of Rodgers all game long and make him beat us with his arm and his receivers.