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Sounds like the Chiefs might be trying to trade up to secure Wilson.
I have to disagree, especially this season. The Packers currently have 2 receivers that take a lot of snaps playing slot, Cobb and Rodgers. Our other receiver, Lazard took 195 of his 716 offensive snaps while in the slot.I think sometimes people limit their choices by saying The Packers don't need a slot receiver. I think you take the best pass catcher available and definitely not draft a guy that is actually a lesser receiver just because he physically fits a mold. The rap on a slot receiver would really only be that he could get manhandled at the line of scrimmage. But even a small two yard motion could easily take care of that problem. I just want the best hands, ability to get open and speed to get deep. I think if we have 3 receivers like that; we just don't need a physical specimen or a bonafide #1 receiver.
No, MVS will probably not line up in the slot. Much easier for a smaller guy to line up outside than a bigger one to line up inside and be effective. And like I said, they won't get stopped on the line of scrimmage if you use motion. It would actually be sweet imho, to have a bunch of really quick, fast receivers with good hands. Especially if two of them could get deep. And so I think we will be better served not to think too much about having to have a #1 W/O. It's all right to think outside of the box.I think certain players, like Davante, can be effective no matter where they line up. But a guy like MVS, I don't think he is going to be as effective from the slot. Just as I don't think Amari Rodgers was drafted to line up outside.
So yes, if you can find a player as versatile as Davante, great. However, if the Packers are talking about spending high picks on a WR, they really need to concentrate on guys that are mainly productive lining up outside. As they learn the offense, then they can be moved around more.
You can think that, but I can almost guarantee you, as long as the Packers haven't determined that Amari Rodgers is a bust, they won't be using a high pick on a short receiver, that played mostly in the slot in college. Now if he can play all over the field, then you pay less attention to it. Not to mention that Gute seems to like tall WR's.so I think we will be better served not to think too much about having to have a #1 W/O. It's all right to think outside of the box.
He’s the one that really caught my eye. I know nothing of the draft anymore but I checked out a couple and he’s on my short list at the topGeorge Pickens somewhere - The most underrated WR in this draft.
The good thing for us Packers is he had a significant injury and has some attitude concerns. The bad thing for us Packers is he had a significant injury and has some attitude concerns.George Pickens somewhere - The most underrated WR in this draft.
What were Pickens attitude concerns? I never heard anything, other than he isn't a very good blocker for teammates.The good thing for us Packers is he had a significant injury and has some attitude concerns.
You are right and I think one of those threads is even a WR thread. I almost started this same thread a couple days ago HOPING it would stick to a draft thread because I don't know anything about the rookies but I realized that it would most likey turn into a FA WR then a general rookie thread thread then a Gute draft success thread then a Rodgers contract tread and eventually maybe even an AJ Dillon thread. I will enjoy it before it devolves though. Thanks to all who post relevant information.You've been here long enough to know this is not going to happen. Every morning I check in I have new posts in a dozen different threads and over 3/4 are WR options discussions. This is just another thread to rehash the same points made in dozens of others.WR thread
I definitely like Pickens and had he played all of last season, I think he might have been a top 5-15 pick. Would I take him with our 28th? Maybe, if the other guys are all gone. I also don't think Pickens lasts long enough in the 2nd round for the Packers to grab him, unless they obtain an earlier 2nd rounder.Pickens doesn't have bulk, but he's got a help of a swat and punch. I don't think he's going to lock someone up like Lazard can, but he's got an explosive punch that will create plenty of separation and he'll be off clean into his route.
My life does not revolve around breaking down tape of college prospects as a hobby. Which NFL players would best summarize the capabilities and style of each of these players? IMO we need at least one Greg Jennings type route technician, one Randy Moss take the top off speed demon and one human dynamo returner / gadget receiver. I am not sure if any are on the roster.1. Burks. Not sold on him. A poor man's Metcalf. Would rather trade down for someone else.
2. London. Not sold on him either. No speed or separation. Would rather trade down for someone else.
3. Dotson. Probably very good and reliable.
4. Pickens. Sounds like a very good pick.
5. Watson. Sounds really interesting. Speed, tall
6. Moore. He caught a lot of passes.
7. Pierce. Caught more than 3 balls in only 6 games.
8. Thornton. I liked his tape. Good hands.
So what attributes, capabilities and styles did you like in these 2 WR's?we need at least one Greg Jennings type route technician, one Randy Moss
Well I'm sure of one thing. We don't have a Randy Moss type receiver on the roster. But we can find someone to take the top off. As to the route runner, that is one thing imo we should be looking for in the draft. Maybe not the gadget man so much. But I would like to have at least a punt returner. Pickens can be a route receiver that can get deep. Dotson is a route receiver. Watson will take the top off. Moore caught a lot of passes last year and that is something a had noticed that Jordy did in college. I think Pierce is very fast. I don't spend a lot of time on it. Just some you tube and mocks. But after a little time, a pattern emerges about what a kind of consensus is. Doesn't mean they are right or that The Pack goes that way.My life does not revolve around breaking down tape of college prospects as a hobby. Which NFL players would best summarize the capabilities and style of each of these players? IMO we need at least one Greg Jennings type route technician, one Randy Moss take the top off speed demon and one human dynamo returner / gadget receiver. I am not sure if any are on the roster.
Jennings may not have been world class speed but he was always there and caught the ball. Moss ran around, through, and away from coverage and also caught the ball.So what attributes, capabilities and styles did you like in these 2 WR's?![]()
What were Pickens attitude concerns? I never heard anything, other than he isn't a very good blocker for teammates.
I like Pickens and think he is a better MVS type receiver. He will get open deep, but probably has much better hands. However, like MVS, he could use some bulking up to be able to fight through DB's at the LOS.
Smart has been open about inappropriate behavior. Suspended for violating team rules, game ejection for fighting. Spraying and opposing QB with a water bottle when being tackled near him etc..What were Pickens attitude concerns? I never heard anything, other than he isn't a very good blocker for teammates.
My ideal scenario. Use the #22 pick on their highest rated WR still on the board, unless there aren't any left and/or a real blue chipper at DL, OL, OLB, Secondary fell.I'm starting to re-think my first W/O choice. Burks is sounding better and better to me. But I do think we also need to get someone like Watson or Pierce that have a lot of speed to go deep. I have wanted Pickens but if he is one of these babies who have to be in your face all the time and can't make a TD w/o getting a 15 yard penalty...well that stuff bothers me. Don't know if that is who he is but if he is; then I would prefer not to see it every Sunday. Don't think Watson will be there for us in the 2nd so going 1,2 in the first with Burks and Watson sounds ideal to me.
Amen brother. If we can do that and maybe grab a solid veteran OL. Really wished we could’ve somehow gotten Tretter on a reasonable deal, but he’s still going to be expensive or at least in terms with our wallet anyway. I’d feel great with that type guy who can play a variety of roles at a substantial level.My ideal scenario. Use the #22 pick on their highest rated WR still on the board, unless there aren't any left and/or a real blue chipper at DL, OL, OLB, Secondary fell.
If they secure a top WR at #22 and they aren't really excited about who is there at #28, trade out of the first for a high second Rd. pick and a 4th. Then with that second rd., grab one of the other WR's from the second tier (Watson, Pierce, Pickens, etc.).
The next 2 picks in round 2, will round out some needs and values.
I like the TE's, DL and ILB's that appear to be round 3 or 4 candidates. If Gute can head into the 5th round, already drafting 2 WR's, 1 OLB,1 S,1 TE,1 DL and 1 ILB....we are in good shape.![]()
Agreed. We still need both of those positions fortified & "veteranized". While they should still draft 2-3 WR's, I don't expect a ton of production in year 1 from them. I still think if Bulaga passes medical and he's willing to take vet min with some game day bonuses, sign him up.Amen brother. If we can do that and maybe grab a solid veteran OL. Really wished we could’ve somehow gotten Tretter on a reasonable deal, but he’s still going to be expensive or at least in terms with our wallet anyway. I’d feel great with that type guy who can play a variety of roles at a substantial level.
Also maybe a mid tier veteran WR who has a speed factor.
Oh I forgot about BulagaAgreed. We still need both of those positions fortified & "veteranized". While they should still draft 2-3 WR's, I don't expect a ton of production in year 1 from them. I still think if Bulaga passes medical and he's willing to take vet min with some game day bonuses, sign him up.