What's Importent in Building a Winning Team?

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Paying one player out of 53 men (the quarter back) millions or taking that money and hiring good decision
makers that can make decisions on the entire 53 man roaster?

Yes fans, there are great qb's, like Rodgers, but there's also great qb waiting to be discovered
for a lot less $$$.

Your Thoughts Please

 

[mradtke66]

Your premise if a false dichotomy. There is nothing stopping an organization from paying a quarterback all of the monies AND having a very expensive front office.

IMHO, what's really important in building a winning team is your super star difference makers.

At the end of the day, pretty much ever guy on the 53 is, at worst, a pretty good player. The 53rd guy on the worst team in the league is still a word class athlete. Give your guys their roles, don't let them do too much, and keep them out of the way of your 3-4 superstars. I'm harsh with "superstar" status.

For Super Bowl 31, I'd say we had three of them: Reggie White, Butler, and Favre. A whole lot of other really good players, but no one else who could take over a game. Hall of Fame level players (I contend that Butler would have made the HoF, had his broken collar bone not ended his career early.)

For Super Bowl 45, I we might have had 4. Rodgers, Matthews, Collins, Woodson.

We've struggled because haven't have that cream of the crop player since 2011. Matthews has gotten beat up and old. Woodson was back-sliding, Collins was taken from us too early.

I don't think we have anyone who is that level of player other than Rodgers anymore. Davante might be able to grow into that role. He's at the same level of Jordy Nelson, Cullen Jenkins, and other really, really great players, but not transcendent players. I can't think of anyone on defense who's even at that "almost there" level. Maybe Clark, but it's an uphill battle to be that kind of player from the defensive interior these days.

Our team isn't that bad, it's pretty good. Nearly every starter on our team would start for any other team that doesn't have an All-Pro currently starting for it, those who wouldn't would be great roleplayers and backups.

Put another way, add an 2 All-Pros to impact positions on this team and we've fixed every problem we have. Let's say Safety and Edge, as those are probably our weakest positions and the easiest to see the impact.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Put another way, add an 2 All-Pros to impact positions on this team and we've fixed every problem we have.

Like Mack that went to the Bears

 

[Mondio]

Your premise if a false dichotomy. There is nothing stopping an organization from paying a quarterback all of the monies AND having a very expensive front office.

IMHO, what's really important in building a winning team is your super star difference makers.

At the end of the day, pretty much ever guy on the 53 is, at worst, a pretty good player. The 53rd guy on the worst team in the league is still a word class athlete. Give your guys their roles, don't let them do too much, and keep them out of the way of your 3-4 superstars. I'm harsh with "superstar" status.

For Super Bowl 31, I'd say we had three of them: Reggie White, Butler, and Favre. A whole lot of other really good players, but no one else who could take over a game. Hall of Fame level players (I contend that Butler would have made the HoF, had his broken collar bone not ended his career early.)

For Super Bowl 45, I we might have had 4. Rodgers, Matthews, Collins, Woodson.

We've struggled because haven't have that cream of the crop player since 2011. Matthews has gotten beat up and old. Woodson was back-sliding, Collins was taken from us too early.

I don't think we have anyone who is that level of player other than Rodgers anymore. Davante might be able to grow into that role. He's at the same level of Jordy Nelson, Cullen Jenkins, and other really, really great players, but not transcendent players. I can't think of anyone on defense who's even at that "almost there" level. Maybe Clark, but it's an uphill battle to be that kind of player from the defensive interior these days.

Our team isn't that bad, it's pretty good. Nearly every starter on our team would start for any other team that doesn't have an All-Pro currently starting for it, those who wouldn't would be great roleplayers and backups.

Put another way, add an 2 All-Pros to impact positions on this team and we've fixed every problem we have. Let's say Safety and Edge, as those are probably our weakest positions and the easiest to see the impact.

I think it was his scapula, not collarbone just an fyi

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Your premise if a false dichotomy. There is nothing stopping an organization from paying a quarterback all of the monies AND having a very expensive front office.

IMHO, what's really important in building a winning team is your super star difference makers.

At the end of the day, pretty much ever guy on the 53 is, at worst, a pretty good player. The 53rd guy on the worst team in the league is still a word class athlete. Give your guys their roles, don't let them do too much, and keep them out of the way of your 3-4 superstars. I'm harsh with "superstar" status.

For Super Bowl 31, I'd say we had three of them: Reggie White, Butler, and Favre. A whole lot of other really good players, but no one else who could take over a game. Hall of Fame level players (I contend that Butler would have made the HoF, had his broken collar bone not ended his career early.)

For Super Bowl 45, I we might have had 4. Rodgers, Matthews, Collins, Woodson.

We've struggled because haven't have that cream of the crop player since 2011. Matthews has gotten beat up and old. Woodson was back-sliding, Collins was taken from us too early.

I don't think we have anyone who is that level of player other than Rodgers anymore. Davante might be able to grow into that role. He's at the same level of Jordy Nelson, Cullen Jenkins, and other really, really great players, but not transcendent players. I can't think of anyone on defense who's even at that "almost there" level. Maybe Clark, but it's an uphill battle to be that kind of player from the defensive interior these days.

Our team isn't that bad, it's pretty good. Nearly every starter on our team would start for any other team that doesn't have an All-Pro currently starting for it, those who wouldn't would be great roleplayers and backups.

Put another way, add an 2 All-Pros to impact positions on this team and we've fixed every problem we have. Let's say Safety and Edge, as those are probably our weakest positions and the easiest to see the impact.

While I agree with pretty much everything said here, I would like to add that Greg Jennings to that list. He was so integral to that run, and played like a top-level, star receiver, especially in the super bowl. Jennings is underrated and was clutch in every single game, I don't think I ever saw him drop a ball. Ever.

 

[Firethorn1001]

5 of our top 10 cap hits are players that are really nothing special. Cobb, Matthews, Bulaga, Perry, HHCD and a 6th, Graham, hasn't lived up to the billing yet. You can't have that many guys in the top 10 that you look at and think 'meh...'

 

[mradtke66]

Like Mack that went to the Bears

It'd help, but he's only one. If we had Mack and Rodgers, we're still one, maybe two of those amazing super stars away from the quota. I'm still not sure if he's worth the cost the Bears paid and our would have been higher, as (presumably, at least at the time) we would have the better record and thus worse draft pick.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Paying one player out of 53 men (the quarter back) millions or taking that money and hiring good decision
makers that can make decisions on the entire 53 man roaster?

Yes fans, there are great qb's, like Rodgers, but there's also great qb waiting to be discovered
for a lot less $$$.

Your Thoughts Please

Both schools of thoughts work. I've seen Joe Montana win 4 Superbowls in the 80's, Brady winning 5 over the last 15 years, Jim McMahon won a superbowl as a starter in Chicago...but I also saw Trent Dilfer win a ring. What each quarter back had was a stout Defense in each situation. I'm not saying go out and sign Cleveland's practice squad QB and put him at QB 1 here, what I'm saying is this. Great teams have great defenses, some have legends at QB, some just have dudes.

My opinion though, try to spend less than 20 Million on a QB, put the other 15-20 in to the defense, spend on both sides of the ball, instead of having God at QB, and BOB who you picked up on 34th street playing defense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Paying one player out of 53 men (the quarter back) millions or taking that money and hiring good decision makers that can make decisions on the entire 53 man roaster?

Just to be clear on what mradtke already pointed out, front office personnel doesn't count against the salary cap, therefore the Packers can spend whatevet they deem to be worth on decision makers.

While I agree with pretty much everything said here, I would like to add that Greg Jennings to that list. He was so integral to that run, and played like a top-level, star receiver, especially in the super bowl. Jennings is underrated and was clutch in every single game, I don't think I ever saw him drop a ball. Ever.

Jennings wasn't an elite player being able to single-handedly dominating a game though. FWIW according to PFF he had a total of 55 drops during his career.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Just to be clear on what mradtke already pointed out, front office personnel doesn't count against the salary cap, therefore the Packers can spend whatevet they deem to be worth on decision makers.



Jennings wasn't an elite player being able to single-handedly dominating a game though. FWIW according to PFF he had a total of 55 drops during his career.

This surprises me, that number seems high. I guess we remember what we want to remember lol

 

[Starr To Dowler]

This surprises me, that number seems high. I guess we remember what we want to remember lol

Wow. That really surprises me, too. Very good detective work by Chief Inspector WIMM. Not to make excuses or nit pick, but I wonder how much of that was in his early years - didn't we always used to ***** about his hands the first few years?

But then again, name me a Packer receiver whose hands we didn't ***** about their first few years. Donald Driver - if I had a nickel for every message board post back in his first few years where someone or other was screaming "why is he even on the team anymore", I'd have... mmm... quite a lot of nickels. Man, that dude used to get utterly LIT UP every Monday morning. If I'd have been his dog, I'd have been barking at my agent every week to get me traded to some other town.

Jennings... yeah, I guess he had his struggles, but as he developed into the veteran we all grew to depend on, he became the guy we remember. All I know is that when I look back on that Super Bowl, I remember him as THE guy who absolutely ripped the top off of that Pittsburgh defense, and opened up the field for whatever Rodgers felt like throwing. For at least that point in his career, I would call him an elite player who dominated the game.

 

[mradtke66]

Wow. That really surprises me, too. Very good detective work by Chief Inspector WIMM. Not to make excuses or nit pick, but I wonder how much of that was in his early years - didn't we always used to ***** about his hands the first few years?

But then again, name me a Packer receiver whose hands we didn't ***** about their first few years. Donald Driver - if I had a nickel for every message board post back in his first few years where someone or other was screaming "why is he even on the team anymore", I'd have... mmm... quite a lot of nickels. Man, that dude used to get utterly LIT UP every Monday morning. If I'd have been his dog, I'd have been barking at my agent every week to get me traded to some other town.

Jennings... yeah, I guess he had his struggles, but as he developed into the veteran we all grew to depend on, he became the guy we remember. All I know is that when I look back on that Super Bowl, I remember him as THE guy who absolutely ripped the top off of that Pittsburgh defense, and opened up the field for whatever Rodgers felt like throwing. For at least that point in his career, I would call him an elite player who dominated the game.

I'd say you're suffering from bad memory again. Jennings had a great game in the Super Bowl, but it was Jordy's coming out party. HE was the best receiver on the field for us that day.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Wow. That really surprises me, too. Very good detective work by Chief Inspector WIMM. Not to make excuses or nit pick, but I wonder how much of that was in his early years - didn't we always used to ***** about his hands the first few years?

Jennings dropped more balls early in his career, having a total of 23 during the first three years with the Packers. He never had less than four playing for the majority of a season though.

 

[Jerellh528]

5 of our top 10 cap hits are players that are really nothing special. Cobb, Matthews, Bulaga, Perry, HHCD and a 6th, Graham, hasn't lived up to the billing yet. You can't have that many guys in the top 10 that you look at and think 'meh...'

We've got a lot fat to trim up top.