Week 16 Christmas Eve: Packers Will Beat Down The Vikings

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LOL. Yesterday on the Minnihapilous news, there was some upset Vikings fan that put US Bank stadium up for sale on Craigslist. He claimed the stadium was not needed until Minnesota gets a professional football team...............
 

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If I remember correctly though, Adams was open, he just over threw him. Sure it's a less likely pass, because it's deeper, but Rodgers has been pretty good at them over his career. One of them one the game for us. But what defense was Chicago in? what was the appropriate play to run? Maybe that was it? It was open. Unless i'm thinking of a different one. Then scratch everything I've said :)

But I am more in the camp of move the ball, take what's in front of you, move the chains. Then take your shots type of guy overall.
In that case ... I don't care if it was open... we needed to control the clock and keep the defense off of the field .... first downs are the way to do that.... Frankly a longer field is your friend in that case.... but not if you throw it incomplete on a lower percentage play.
 
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Well, good news is the Redskins lost last night. If they find a way to trip over the Bears this Saturday (and I think they will), the complaining about our game last Sunday should stop.

So bottom line .... cheer for the Bears and Saints this Saturday and if those 2 win and the Packers win ... Packers clinch a playoff spot, or at least should clinch a playoff spot.
 

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Well, good news is the Redskins lost last night. If they find a way to trip over the Bears this Saturday (and I think they will), the complaining about our game last Sunday should stop.

So bottom line .... cheer for the Bears and Saints this Saturday and if those 2 win and the Packers win ... Packers clinch a playoff spot, or at least should clinch a playoff spot.

The complaining over last Sunday's game will only stop (or diminish) when we have a new Packer game (win or loss) to complain about!
 
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The complaining over last Sunday's game will only stop (or diminish) when we have a new Packer game (win or loss) to complain about!

Hey, you want to have to moderate in the shoutbox. It can be hell in there ;). I`m drunk half the time.
 

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I believe Adams had a step on his guy and was somewhat open. It was over thrown.

Still, I groan when I see the Packers trying for the "big play" when "consistent play" is what is needed most.
I agree, but without knowing the offensive package on the field and the defensive play call, we're really not debating from any position of strength. Just stating something didn't work. There are defenses to take away short, ball controlling offenses and stop the run and all sorts of things. Without knowing exactly what the defense was doing, if an open play just isn't executed, it really isn't about anything more than execution. He was open, he missed the pass.

Same as if they're defending a big play and leaving soft zones underneath. If someone stops in the zone and the pass isn't there, it wasn't a bad play call.
 

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I agree, but without knowing the offensive package on the field and the defensive play call, we're really not debating from any position of strength. Just stating something didn't work. There are defenses to take away short, ball controlling offenses and stop the run and all sorts of things. Without knowing exactly what the defense was doing, if an open play just isn't executed, it really isn't about anything more than execution. He was open, he missed the pass.

Same as if they're defending a big play and leaving soft zones underneath. If someone stops in the zone and the pass isn't there, it wasn't a bad play call.
I don't need to know the offensive play call to complain about this issue... it may well be the offensive play call that I have the issue with in the first place. All I know is that it was 4th and 2 and Adams was way down field. A good offense can dictate to the defense. If you need to pick up 2 yards..... get them. That play should have been over in less than 4 seconds from the snap.
 

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I don't need to know the offensive play call to complain about this issue... it may well be the offensive play call that I have the issue with in the first place. All I know is that it was 4th and 2 and Adams was way down field. A good offense can dictate to the defense. If you need to pick up 2 yards..... get them. That play should have been over in less than 4 seconds from the snap.
a good offense still has to execute though. They can dictate whatever they want, no matter the play call if you don't execute, it's over. So they get a match up with cobb on a linebacker who lines up deep to give him some space and cobb cuts underneath, basically ad 3 step slant, but the end doesn't get cut and gets up and knocks it down. Same outcome. Different play call.
 

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a good offense still has to execute though. They can dictate whatever they want, no matter the play call if you don't execute, it's over. So they get a match up with cobb on a linebacker who lines up deep to give him some space and cobb cuts underneath, basically ad 3 step slant, but the end doesn't get cut and gets up and knocks it down. Same outcome. Different play call.
Of... course.... but it's about percentages.... my opinion... Rodgers is still looking deep too often.
 

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I don't need to know the offensive play call to complain about this issue... it may well be the offensive play call that I have the issue with in the first place. All I know is that it was 4th and 2 and Adams was way down field. A good offense can dictate to the defense. If you need to pick up 2 yards..... get them. That play should have been over in less than 4 seconds from the snap.

IIRC, on that 4th and 2 play, Rodgers was sacked after he sat in the pocket for a long time. And the sack wasn't a "surprise"-- he saw the pocket collapsing and chose to keep the ball rather than throwing into coverage and giving a receiver a chance to make the grab. Too conservative, IMO.
 

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IIRC, on that 4th and 2 play, Rodgers was sacked after he sat in the pocket for a long time. And the sack wasn't a "surprise"-- he saw the pocket collapsing and chose to keep the ball rather than throwing into coverage and giving a receiver a chance to make the grab. Too conservative, IMO.
I agree because it was 4th down ... the only risk was a pick 6....
 

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a good offense still has to execute though. They can dictate whatever they want, no matter the play call if you don't execute, it's over. So they get a match up with cobb on a linebacker who lines up deep to give him some space and cobb cuts underneath, basically ad 3 step slant, but the end doesn't get cut and gets up and knocks it down. Same outcome. Different play call.

Understood. I get that short passes don't always work.

But, too often I see Rodgers looking deep from the very beginning. It is my (and others apparently) belief that coach and QB are simply too often looking for the deep strike rather than dinking and dunking. It is my (our) impression that this is their preference. I cannot prove it, nor am I an expert. But, as a fan, this is what I perceive and get frustrated with.
 

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I agree because it was 4th down ... the only risk was a pick 6....

Yes, there is always that risk. But, he could take the sack and fumble as well... In my book, on 4th down and short-- it should be primarily a quick short pass or run designed play. If that doesn't work, then throw the ball before taking a sack even if it risks an INT.
 

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Of... course.... but it's about percentages.... my opinion... Rodgers is still looking deep too often.
I think so too overall, but, we've run the short passing game with great effectiveness this year and recently i think there's been a shift more towards looking downfield in the pasdt week or 2. Is thru offensive game plan or how the defense is playing us? I remember some short quick passes, one to montgomery in particular that i think lost 2-3 yards, so they don't always work. The defense might be ready for it.

My point is I can't be upset with the decision, because it was open, he just missed the throw. Just like he could have probably hit Adams on the 3rd and 11, but he chose Jordy for 60 yards because he slid and looked down field. You're going to get some bad with the good. There needs to be balance for certain, but without knowing how the Bears were playing defense on that Adams throw, I can't be mad at him for looking there when it was open either.

But overall, yes, I am the guy that wants 2-3 plays and a first down, for 8-14 play drives. A few in a row. Pick your places to take your shots. Not every set of downs, but once or twice a possession when you've set them up.
 

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I think the Vikings are totally beatable and after our win against Seattle, I felt great about our chances this season. But after today's ridiculous near-collapse, and remembering how good we made Bradford look last time, I'm not so sure. I think we will win in a very close one. I dread the stress!
We need to run the table and we will !!!!:tup:
 

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I dont believe AP will do anything to really hurt us this game. I'm more worried about McKinnon or whatever that scat back name is to be dangerous catching from backfield, Bradford to find Rudolph for key 1st downs. Asiata is a sneaky good redzone back. And lastly but my biggest worry is Patterson breaking big plays on our ST.
 

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I dont believe AP will do anything to really hurt us this game. I'm more worried about McKinnon or whatever that scat back name is to be dangerous catching from backfield, Bradford to find Rudolph for key 1st downs. Asiata is a sneaky good redzone back. And lastly but my biggest worry is Patterson breaking big plays on our ST.

Asiata is an awful red zone back this year. He has some tds but has been stuffed at the goal line a lot. Mckinnon really isn't a huge receiving threat. He is averaging under 5 yards per target. Rudolph scares me and the up and down Diggs scares me. Not because Rudolph is great but bc I have seen TE's beat us too much over the years and with Diggs he can explode for a big game
 
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