Week 11: Packers @ Colts

[PackAttack12]

i think they're overachieving like last year.

Ah, yes. The "overachieving" narrative again. How refreshing.

Still feel like the Packers are overachieving "like last year" @gbgary ????

 

[rmontro]

Better to overachieve than underachieve.

 

[PackAttack12]

i think they're overachieving like last year.

.....receipt.

Also....check out two posts above.

 

[gbgary]

Still feel like the Packers are overachieving "like last year" @gbgary ????

no...i've changed my mind on the "overachieving like last year." a lot of football has been played since i said that on nov 18 just before the colt debacle. as i've said since game one the O is much better. we all saw the D struggle this year until a few weeks ago when Z (and a couple of others) had their talk with Pettine. since "the talk" they as a whole, and certain individual players, have elevated their game. savage, amos, kirksey (since his move to Will), and barnes (permanently inserted at the Mike), have made a huge difference in the overall defensive product. that's the middle of the D. i think the team is now what we think they are. they're legit. can they win a SB? yes. there isn't a juggernaut out there. everyone has flaws. they have the best record of all the playoff teams vs playoff teams at 5-2. now if they can only do something about the soft coverage on short yardage. lol. letting teams sustain drives like that is bad for business. it keeps our unstoppable O (except by the Packers themselves) off the field.

 

[PackAttack12]

no...i've changed my mind on the "overachieving like last year." a lot of football has been played since i said that on nov 18 just before the colt debacle. as i've said since game one the O is much better. we all saw the D struggle this year until a few weeks ago when Z (and a couple of others) had their talk with Pettine. since "the talk" they as a whole, and certain individual players, have elevated their game. savage, amos, kirksey (since his move to Will), and barnes (permanently inserted at the Mike), have made a huge difference in the overall defensive product. that's the middle of the D. i think the team is now what we think they are. they're legit. can they win a SB? yes. there isn't a juggernaut out there. everyone has flaws. they have the best record of all the playoff teams vs playoff teams at 5-2. now if they can only do something about the soft coverage on short yardage. lol. letting teams sustain drives like that is bad for business. it keeps our unstoppable O (except by the Packers themselves) off the field.

You have the worst problem with the words "I was wrong".

You said you never used the word overachieving. And now that I've presented the evidence, you're tap dancing.

 

[tynimiller]

Time can make what was right in the moment, wrong.

 

[PackAttack12]

Time can make what was right in the moment, wrong.

I was referring to his claim that he never said the Packers were overachieving. Also, he thought the Packers were going to take a significant step back this season from last.

 

[Do7]

no...i've changed my mind on the "overachieving like last year." a lot of football has been played since i said that on nov 18 just before the colt debacle. as i've said since game one the O is much better. we all saw the D struggle this year until a few weeks ago when Z (and a couple of others) had their talk with Pettine. since "the talk" they as a whole, and certain individual players, have elevated their game. savage, amos, kirksey (since his move to Will), and barnes (permanently inserted at the Mike), have made a huge difference in the overall defensive product. that's the middle of the D. i think the team is now what we think they are. they're legit. can they win a SB? yes. there isn't a juggernaut out there. everyone has flaws. they have the best record of all the playoff teams vs playoff teams at 5-2. now if they can only do something about the soft coverage on short yardage. lol. letting teams sustain drives like that is bad for business. it keeps our unstoppable O (except by the Packers themselves) off the field.

Gary are you really that proud to say the words "I was wrong?"

 

[swhitset]

Gary are you really that proud to say the words "I was wrong?"

While I understand the frustration... is it really the job of a moderator to pile on and keep a dispute going?

 

[Do7]

While I understand the frustration... is it really the job of a moderator to pile on and keep a dispute going?

swhitset you've been very vocal in regards to how a moderator should handle a situation, by all means, I believe you can apply for a role. What I find incredibly confusing is when I try to defuse a situation I get criticized. I simply ask a harmless question, here you are yet again. It's kinda hard for me at this point to put a lot of stock into what you're saying because I'm noticing a trend in regards to you specifically. And I dare say it's not the first time you've got on my case unfairly.

 

[longtimefan]

While I understand the frustration... is it really the job of a moderator to pile on and keep a dispute going?

We take a lot of **** for how we "mod" the policy inforcements and such. But if we are snippy or rude like a poster is to us, ( many examples just ask) people cry foul.

Can you show me where its written what a mods role is for this forum?

 

[Mondio]

can I bring back my "mods are still people, though just barely" as a reminder they function mostly as regular posters like the rest of us.

and i hope you know I say that in jest, nobody really thinks you're real people with real thoughts or feelings. i'm just trying to be nice

 

[PackAttack12]

I personally see nothing wrong with mods inserting themselves into the discussion.

 

[swhitset]

We take a lot of **** for how we "mod" the policy inforcements and such. But if we are snippy or rude like a poster is to us, ( many examples just ask) people cry foul.

Can you show me where its written what a mods role is for this forum?

I shouldn’t need to it’s in the definition of the name for craps sake. MODERATOR... if you don’t think you have a higher responsibility .... whatever.... My post was to D07 not you... but my point was that 2 members were sniping at each other, but frankly it wasn’t at a level that I think was a problem. The problem as I see it happened when a moderator decided that he was going to jump in and also snipe at Gary just for the heck of it. Do you really think it is productive to be running around with the childish “I told you so’s” ? When 2 normal members do it to each other it’s usually no big deal, and can even be a bit entertaining within reason. When a moderator does it, they lose whatever respect they might have had when they actually do need to moderate something.

 

[swhitset]

swhitset you've been very vocal in regards to how a moderator should handle a situation, by all means, I believe you can apply for a role. What I find incredibly confusing is when I try to defuse a situation I get criticized. I simply ask a harmless question, here you are yet again. It's kinda hard for me at this point to put a lot of stock into what you're saying because I'm noticing a trend in regards to you specifically. And I dare say it's not the first time you've got on my case unfairly.

There is nothing harmless about you continuing a dispute when you don’t need to. There is a reason I have no desire to be a moderator... you should be held to a higher standard... but that went away in here a long time ago.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My 2 cents for what it is worth. Mods obviously are here for a purpose. Yes, they are posters interested in the Packers, but they definitely have more "power" than the rest of us minions, so that they can do Mod things. One of those things seems to be keeping peace, maybe I am wrong with that? I haven't read the list of Mod duties and only assume this is a duty based on watching mods moderate. So with that power comes some responsibilities and you can't have your cake and eat it to. If you want to jump into a thread and play your Mod card to keep the peace, great that seems to be the role of a Mod. I think all swhitset was pointing out was someone throwing gas on the fire and that someone was a Mod. Seems counter intuitive to have Mods to keep the peace, when these Mods are sometimes the ones fanning the flames?

Let me ask the Mod @Do7 something. What was your intention with your comment to @gbgary?

 

[swhitset]

I personally see nothing wrong with mods inserting themselves into the discussion.

neither do I... and for the record, I had no issue with you taking Gary to task. I just found it a bit odd to see a moderator jumping in on the attack.

 

[longtimefan]

neither do I... and for the record, I had no issue with you taking Gary to task. I just found it a bit odd to see a moderator jumping in on the attack.

So you feel a mod should only be nice, post only on pack stuff and keep peace?

 

[swhitset]

So you feel a mod should only be nice, post only on pack stuff and keep peace?

not necessarily... but I don’t think they should purposely escalate a situation either. Let me put it another way. If the original discussion had been between D07 and Gary, I don’t really think anything D07 said was a big deal.... that wasn’t the situation though. The discussion was between Packattack12 and Gary. It was getting a bit personal but really still no big deal, but when D07 jumped in there was no valid purpose other than to help Packattack twist the knife. To me, since he in a mod that is inappropriate.

 

[longtimefan]

not necessarily... but I don’t think they should purposely escalate a situation either. Let me put it another way. If the original discussion had been between D07 and Gary, I don’t really think anything D07 said was a big deal.... that wasn’t the situation though. The discussion was between Packattack12 and Gary. It was getting a bit personal but really still no big deal, but when D07 jumped in there was no valid purpose other than to help Packattack twist the knife. To me since he in a mod that is inappropriate.

Ok that I fully understand

but if it were Joe blow poster would that been okay? Or you still have an issue?

 

[swhitset]

Ok that I fully understand

but if it were Joe blow poster would that been okay? Or you still have an issue?

I would have personally thought it was a little much... people should be able to fight there own battles, but I wouldn’t have said anything.... we all get caught up in stuff like that all the time. As I said above, I actually agreed with Packattack12.... I just didn’t think it was necessary to help embarrass Gary lol.

 

[Poppa San]

neither do I... and for the record, I had no issue with you taking Gary to task. I just found it a bit odd to see a moderator jumping in on the attack.

As a poster, nothing was wrong with asking or condemning another poster for failing to admit an error in a viewpoint. A page or two later, it may appear as piling on. As a moderator in mod mode there is an issue. Unfortunately we can't change the status post by post to differentiate which mode we are in. Unless denoted, I assume not in mod mode. Other moderators will and have handled it. Problems or issues can always be reported. *** also work.

 

[PackAttack12]

Can we all just agree that @gbgary deserves to be taken to the woodshed on a consistent basis?!

 

[Poppa San]

Can we all just agree that @gbgary deserves to be taken to the woodshed on a consistent basis?!

The line would be a long one if we implemented such a policy. And at 6' distance (2 meters @buggybill2003 ) it would stretch into next week.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

neither do I... and for the record, I had no issue with you taking Gary to task. I just found it a bit odd to see a moderator jumping in on the attack.

Something I didn't say in my last post, but have said before. I appreciate the job that the Mods do here. Poppa, LTF, the 3 of us have squabbled, disagreed, etc. but we all have been respectful of each other in doing so. It can't be an easy job and I respect that you are willing to do it. This forum probably would erode quickly without you. As swhitset stated, not a job I would want, because yes, I do roll up my sleeves and get my hands dirty once in awhile doing things I wouldn't do as a mod, but feel just fine doing as an everyday poster.

I also hope Do7 takes all these posts as constructive criticism (at least from me)