Vikings will win the Division

[bigbubbatd]

Cousins is a combined 5-30 during his career against teams that finished the season with a winning record.

The Vikings have not beat a single team above .500 this season so those numbers are going to continue to look bad. Right now their best win is Dallas. After that their best win might be Denver. At least GB beat Chicago, Minnesota, and KC (both teams played them without Maholmes).

Honestly the whole NFC North lacks quality wins. Right now GBs win over the Maholmes-less Chiefs is the only win against a team above .500 outside the division.

We can rightfully complain about the Packers not having the look of a contender, but if the Packers dont have that look there is absolutely no way to say anyone else in the North does

 

[OldSchool101]

GB needs 2 more wins and the conversation is over

OR

if the Vikings lose ANY remaining game AND GB wins just 1 more..(doesn’t even need to be the head to head)

OR

if the Vikings lose 2 of 3. we can close this thread once and for all.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Honestly the whole NFC North lacks quality wins. Right now GBs win over the Maholmes-less Chiefs is the only win against a team above .500 outside the division.

To be fair, NFC North teams have combined to play in only six games vs. teams currently with a winning record all season. Not surprisingly that's the lowest number among all divisions in the league.

if the Vikings lose ANY remaining game AND GB wins just 1 more..(doesn’t even need to be the head to head)

OR

if the Vikings lose 2 of 3. we can close this thread once and for all.

That's not true as the Vikings could win the tie-breaker over the Packers if both teams end up with 10 or 11 wins.

 

[bigbubbatd]

To be fair, NFC North teams have combined to play in only six games vs. teams currently with a winning record all season. Not surprisingly that's the lowest number among all divisions in the league.

Fair point but they are 1-5 in those games right? And would likely be 0-6 if Maholmes played. My main point is the North hasn't looked good outside the division. If we played the NFC West instead of East this year what would our records look like. I could see all the North going 1-3 instead of 4-0 - or 2-3 instead of 4-1 since we all would have gotten one east game. That would leave the Packers at 8-5, Vikings 7-6, and Bears at what 5-8. Those records seem more accurate of how the division has played.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fair point but they are 1-5 in those games right? And would likely be 0-6 if Maholmes played. My main point is the North hasn't looked good outside the division. If we played the NFC West instead of East this year what would our records look like. I could see all the North going 1-3 instead of 4-0 - or 2-3 instead of 4-1 since we all would have gotten one east game. That would leave the Packers at 8-5, Vikings 7-6, and Bears at what 5-8. Those records seem more accurate of how the division has played.

Agreed and while it wasn't quite as big, I think we caught a scheduling break in having to face the AFC-West and even more so when we got to face a Chiefs team without Mahomes.

The "NFL Gods" have been pretty good to the Packers in 2019 in regards to schedule and injuries.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Agreed and while it wasn't quite as big, I think we caught a scheduling break in having to face the AFC-West and even more so when we got to face a Chiefs team without Mahomes.

The "NFL Gods" have been pretty good to the Packers in 2019 in regards to schedule and injuries.

True but the AFC is pretty awful so playing the AFC South may not have been bad - lots of mediocrity in that division. The East has two for sure wins and then I am not sold on the Bills or Patriots. The North has one great team, one ok team, and two bad teams.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Fair point but they are 1-5 in those games right? And would likely be 0-6 if Maholmes played. My main point is the North hasn't looked good outside the division. If we played the NFC West instead of East this year what would our records look like. I could see all the North going 1-3 instead of 4-0 - or 2-3 instead of 4-1 since we all would have gotten one east game. That would leave the Packers at 8-5, Vikings 7-6, and Bears at what 5-8. Those records seem more accurate of how the division has played.

There's no doubt the combined record of 1-5 is terrible but my point is that it's a pretty small sample size.

The "NFL Gods" have been pretty good to the Packers in 2019 in regards to schedule and injuries.

Maybe they have some tricks left up their sleeves for the playoffs

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I am not sold on the Bills or Patriots.

I'm guessing that Bills and Patriot fans, along with many other NFL fans and the media probably aren't that sold on the Packers either.

The underlying theme that I seem to see in the forum and elsewhere and something I totally agree with, is that the Packers aren't a very solid 10-3 team. After that, depending on who you want to listen to, I have heard a wide variety of opinions ranging from "MLF and Gute need to go" to "all this team needs is one signature win and they are Super Bowl contenders."

I think the reality lies somewhere more towards the latter, but there definitely is more work ahead for the Packer Organization to be considered a top 5 team.

Next season, the Packers and the rest of the NFC North get to play all of the NFC South teams, as well as all the AFC South teams.

Packers: @:Saints, Bucs, Colts,Texans & NFC West Opponent w/ same div. finish.

Home: Falcons, Panthers, Jags, Titans & NFC West Opponent w/ same div. fin.

 

[bigbubbatd]

There's no doubt the combined record of 1-5 is terrible but my point is that it's a pretty small sample size.

You are right it is a very small sample size. I guess I just dont see the numbers changing much if we played more games. The Vikings have done nothing to show me they would beat good teams with losses to every above .500 team they have played. The Bears best win is against the aforementioned Vikings. I guess my point is some times a small sample is still accurate.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I'm guessing that Bills and Patriot fans, along with many other NFL fans and the media probably aren't that sold on the Packers either.

The underlying theme that I seem to see in the forum and elsewhere and something I totally agree with, is that the Packers aren't a very solid 10-3 team. After that, depending on who you want to listen to, I have heard a wide variety of opinions ranging from "MLF and Gute need to go" to "all this team needs is one signature win and they are Super Bowl contenders."

I think the reality lies somewhere more towards the latter, but there definitely is more work ahead for the Packer Organization to be considered a top 5 team.

Next season, the Packers and the rest of the NFC North get to play all of the NFC South teams, as well as all the AFC South teams.

Packers: @:Saints, Bucs, Colts,Texans & NFC West Opponent w/ same div. finish.

Home: Falcons, Panthers, Jags, Titans & NFC West Opponent w/ same div. fin.

Anyone saying MLF and Gute need to go are ridiculous - similar to Brewer fans calling for Counsel to be fired.

And yes I think it is fair for people not to be sold on the Packers and still not sold on the Patriots or Bills. The only thing that gives me hope in the playoffs this year is I dont think it is an incredibly strong slate of NFL teams this year.

 

[Mondio]

And yes I think it is fair for people not to be sold on the Packers and still not sold on the Patriots or Bills. The only thing that gives me hope in the playoffs this year is I dont think it is an incredibly strong slate of NFL teams this year.

I'm not sold because I haven't seen that complete game. I have hope, because I still haven't seen that complete game. They've certainly shown they can play at a very high level on both offense and defense. They need to do it consistently, drive to drive and game to game. They hit a grove, it could be a very fun post season.

So I keep watching to see what happens.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You are right it is a very small sample size. I guess I just dont see the numbers changing much if we played more games. The Vikings have done nothing to show me they would beat good teams with losses to every above .500 team they have played. The Bears best win is against the aforementioned Vikings. I guess my point is some times a small sample is still accurate.

It's possible you're right about that but I don't consider any other division aside of the NFC West to be significantly better than the North.

 

[PackAttack12]

I'm not sold because I haven't seen that complete game. I have hope, because I still haven't seen that complete game. They've certainly shown they can play at a very high level on both offense and defense. They need to do it consistently, drive to drive and game to game. They hit a grove, it could be a very fun post season.

So I keep watching to see what happens.

To me, getting a 1st round bye is going to be absolutely critical, if the Packers want a realistic shot at the Super Bowl. Going to either of San Francisco or New Orleans in the divisional round worries me, because to your point, we haven't seen a complete game and I'm not sure we'll get it in that type of environment.

Get the bye, win the divisional game at Lambeau. Feel good about everything, and then try to muster it all up in the NFC Championship game. Hopefully a lower seed knocks off the eventual #1 and we get to play 2 games at Lambeau before February.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

Right now, it's hard for me to envision the Packers being anything other than "completely and utterly mashed" by the 49ers (again) the Seahawks or the Saints.

It would be nice to have a 13-3 or even a 12-4 season though.

Just not seeing a "championship run" in this particular team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

To me, getting a 1st round bye is going to be absolutely critical, if the Packers want a realistic shot at the Super Bowl. Going to either of San Francisco or New Orleans in the divisional round worries me, because to your point, we haven't seen a complete game and I'm not sure we'll get it in that type of environment.

Get the bye, win the divisional game at Lambeau. Feel good about everything, and then try to muster it all up in the NFC Championship game. Hopefully a lower seed knocks off the eventual #1 and we get to play 2 games at Lambeau before February.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Right now, it's hard for me to envision the Packers being anything other than "completely and utterly mashed" by the 49ers (again) the Seahawks or the Saints.

While I tend to agree with you, all 3 of those teams have pretty much shown that they are beatable on any given Sunday, as are the Packers of course.

MLF and the coaches are probably already looking at film (in their spare time) of these teams and seeing just how other teams exposed their weaknesses. The Packers have 3 weeks to improve as much as they possibly can and hope that no major injuries lessen their chances to upset a team or two during the playoffs. Ultimately, the Packer coaches and players will have to be at their best to actually make a Super Bowl run.

 

[Mondio]

Right now, it's hard for me to envision the Packers being anything other than "completely and utterly mashed" by the 49ers (again) the Seahawks or the Saints.

It would be nice to have a 13-3 or even a 12-4 season though.

Just not seeing a "championship run" in this particular team.

What if the 9ers were just coming off a 9-0 win over the lowly Redskins? or if the Saints just had their 26-9 drubbing at the hands of the going nowhere Falcons? Seahawks are same as us. They have issues.

 

[mongoosev]

with the way east is looking vikings will get a wild card.

 

[OldSchool101]

That's not true as the Vikings could win the tie-breaker over the Packers if both teams end up with 10 or 11 wins.

How is that possible? GB is 2 division wins ahead and holds the tie breaker.
Give us any example of how we tie with the Vikings at both 10 and 11 Wins and still lose the division. I’m not seeing your scenario.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

What if the 9ers were just coming off a 9-0 win over the lowly Redskins? or if the Saints just had their 26-9 drubbing at the hands of the going nowhere Falcons? Seahawks are same as us. They have issues.

All NFL team "have issues", and I get any team is beatable on any given Sunday.

But there are 1000 "what's wrong with the Packers" threads on this site so it's obvious that many of us have identified "there's something not quite right" about this team.

Yet.

The future is bright and we have many outstanding young players, and also some glaring weaknesses.

I would have felt a lot better if the Packers had turned that 14-0 lead on the 'Skins into a solid 56-10 drubbing.

I'd sure like to see the Packers drub someone. Preferably the loathsome and detestable Vikings.

Who are NOT going to win the division.

 

[Pugger]

Agreed and while it wasn't quite as big, I think we caught a scheduling break in having to face the AFC-West and even more so when we got to face a Chiefs team without Mahomes.

The "NFL Gods" have been pretty good to the Packers in 2019 in regards to schedule and injuries.

If any team deserved a good year health wise it is us.

 

[OldSchool101]

Right now, it's hard for me to envision the Packers being anything other than "completely and utterly mashed" by the 49ers (again) the Seahawks or the Saints.
Just not seeing a "championship run" in this particular team.

While I agree it’s a long shot. Do you feel that the Rams would pummel GB at Lambeau? Just curious because the Seahawks already proved they can beat the 49ers.

Last night, the Rams only allowed the Seahawks Offense two FG’s (6pts) in 4 quarters. The Rams should’ve beat the Hawks by 4 scores last night, that game was nowhere near as close as the final score. The Seattle Offense just got dominated.
Then the Steelers beat the Rams a few weeks ago.

 

[mongoosev]

All NFL team "have issues", and I get any team is beatable on any given Sunday.

But there are 1000 "what's wrong with the Packers" threads on this site so it's obvious that many of us have identified "there's something not quite right" about this team.

Yet.

The future is bright and we have many outstanding young players, and also some glaring weaknesses.

I would have felt a lot better if the Packers had turned that 14-0 lead on the 'Skins into a solid 56-10 drubbing.

I'd sure like to see the Packers drub someone. Preferably the loathsome and detestable Vikings.

Who are NOT going to win the division.

yeah but we do suck, and I don't mean that to be pessimistic or a whiner. we barely beat teams that are not even in contention right now. also, the way we play against caliber teams like 49's, while saints played against them accordingly, just puts a damper in our chances of going to the big bowl. even if we are standing with a nice record right now, I can only have so much hope until it's just futile and an emotional drainer and we fail in the playoffs once again.

it's bad enough my badgers got humiliated with the way ohio toyed with us! i can only take so much. not going to have so much hope, will just enjoy the remaining season for what it is. hopefully packer's find that "go pack go" christmas miracle to brighten my mood!

wait....maybe i'm just having a mid life crisis!

 

[ShockwaveRider]

While I agree it’s a long shot. Do you feel that the Rams would pummel GB at Lambeau? Just curious because the Seahawks already proved they can beat the 49ers.

Mmmmm.......I don't know. I'm having trouble with the rationale "this team beat that team ergo your team can beat that team".

I was surprised and astounded that the Rams pounded the Seahawks. I was surprised and astounded that the 49ers pounded the Packers.

We'll have to read through all 1000 "what's wrong with the Packers" threads to come up with a reason. My "pretty much worthless" take is (a) where was MVS the past few weeks? Did he contribute anything at all? (b) why are other teams receivers always running roughshod through the Packers defense and making all these "chunk plays"? and of course (c) why can't we get a TE that doesn't suck? (I really don't like JG, at all.)

The Packers have played a fine season thus far with highly enjoyable wins over the Bears, Vikings, Cowboys and Chiefs.

But I think they're "not quite ready" to compete with the Seahawks, 49ers, Saints, or god forbid, Ravens.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How is that possible? GB is 2 division wins ahead and holds the tie breaker.
Give us any example of how we tie with the Vikings at both 10 and 11 Wins and still lose the division. I’m not seeing your scenario.

I didn't believe it either so I did the Math and at 10 wins, it is possible that the Packers and Vikings go deep into the tie breakers and the Vikings beat us out. As you follow my scenario unfold, our loss to the Eagles (Vikings beat them) would be the 4th tie breaker (Conference record) that puts us behind the Vikings.

Also, if you toss out the potential for ties, there is one and only one way both teams end 10-6. The Packers lose their remaining 3 games and the Vikings only win 1, their game against the Packers.

Here is what I have so far:

With only 10 wins (Packers lose the rest of their games), the Packers would have 3 division losses (Bears, Vikings, Lions) and losses against the following common opponents. (Eagles and Chargers) and a win against the Chiefs, who the Vikings lost to.

In that scenario, if the Vikings end with 10 wins, then they only beat the Packers and end the season with 6 losses as well. They also would have 3 division losses ( Bears (2) and Packers). They would have also lost to the Chargers, but beat the Eagles and lost to the Chiefs.

• So head to head we tie.
• Division record we tie.
• Common Games record we tie
• Vikings have better conference record with their win over the Eagles.

To Break A Tie Within A Division (2 teams)

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss