Tyreek Hill arrest

[El Guapo]

What do you guys think about the Tyreek Hill incident with police before the game?

I just watched the bodycam video. I don't think that the officer did anything wrong until he physically pulled Tyreek out of the car. He knocked on the window normally. He asked Tyreek to keep the window down, which especially with tinted windows, is a safety concern. When Tyreek refused to keep the window down and then refused to leave the vehicle as well, things escalated quickly. I don't know what is legal or not, but I would think that the officer should have merely opened the door and then repeated his demand to leave the vehicle instead of physically removing him from the vehicle and pinning Tyreek on the ground. All-in-all both individuals should have done things differently, but the problem absolutely started with Tyreek. He was combative about innocent window knocks and non-compliant with reasonable requests from the officer. On the other hand, the officer could have used more de-escalating techniques. He is not required to do so, but it is in everyone's interest to be calm when possible.

What I thought got a bit out of hand was when the Dolphins teammates arrived. The officer was immediately aggressive with those players. I certainly understand how he could feel threatened by unknown others trying to intervene in a police situation. You never know the intentions of new people and the officers may have felt surrounded. Again, I think that there are ways to de-escalate but the officer escalated.

They both bear equal blame for the incident.

 

[Voyageur]

What do you guys think about the Tyreek Hill incident with police before the game?

I just watched the bodycam video. I don't think that the officer did anything wrong until he physically pulled Tyreek out of the car. He knocked on the window normally. He asked Tyreek to keep the window down, which especially with tinted windows, is a safety concern. When Tyreek refused to keep the window down and then refused to leave the vehicle as well, things escalated quickly. I don't know what is legal or not, but I would think that the officer should have merely opened the door and then repeated his demand to leave the vehicle instead of physically removing him from the vehicle and pinning Tyreek on the ground. All-in-all both individuals should have done things differently, but the problem absolutely started with Tyreek. He was combative about innocent window knocks and non-compliant with reasonable requests from the officer. On the other hand, the officer could have used more de-escalating techniques. He is not required to do so, but it is in everyone's interest to be calm when possible.

What I thought got a bit out of hand was when the Dolphins teammates arrived. The officer was immediately aggressive with those players. I certainly understand how he could feel threatened by unknown others trying to intervene in a police situation. You never know the intentions of new people and the officers may have felt surrounded. Again, I think that there are ways to de-escalate but the officer escalated.

They both bear equal blame for the incident.

AS an ex-cop, rest assured I would never let a suspect "dictate" the terms in a case like this.

I would have put him on the ground too. Hill was doing everything he could to escalate the problem with both, his attitude, and the window being rolled back up, after the lawful order to leave it down.

He needs to be cited for what he did. Period.

 

[OldSchool101]

This Aggressive or Disorderly behavior is becoming quite regular with Tyreek. Last year there is a video that surfaced with him slapping an Employee of the Marina. All the while being escorted away by someone probably a friend because his conduct was totally inappropriate.
He’s now trying to say we should work together for betterment of the community? Please are you Serious! Hes becoming the all too familiar model of how NOT to behave in a community. I guess you could say he’s a Model Citizen! The WRONG model

Tyreek Hill's timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins | Sporting News

Tyreek Hill's timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins

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This is what really happened.

 

[El Guapo]

One of the best books that I ever read as a teenager was written by an ex state trooper from New York. It was called "How To Avoid Speeding Tickets." The author laid out everything that an officer experiences during a traffic stop. He perfectly explained why everything that you could do to alleviate an officer's fears would go a long way to getting off without a ticket. Those things included pulling over immediately in a safe area, pulling over far enough so that the officer won't get hit by traffic, turning off the vehicle, putting the keys on the dashboard for the officer to see, rolling down the window, turning on your interior light so they can see there are no dangers, keeping your hands on the steering wheel, moving slowly and announcing why you may reach into a pocket or glove box..... The rationale was that by the time the officer was ready to write the ticket, he/she would be so relaxed and at ease that they consider letting you off with a warning.

Tyreek did none of those things. He made everything worse from the get-go. I still think that yanking him out aggressively was a mistake. I doubt they would have done that if it was a 60yr old white guy wearing a shirt and tie - just my opinion. They still would have gotten him out of the vehicle but without the same force. I think that the officer skipped a step. They should have opened the door and forcefully repeated their demand for him to exit instead of immediately removing him. There was nothing to suggest that Hill was doing anything besides being disobedient and disrespectful. If they did this to a snooty US Senator I think that the officer would be in the same trouble. If it had happened to a piece of trailer trash, it wouldn't even break into the local news.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Before I saw the body cam footage, I thought what many probably did (cops vs black guy, oh ****, here we go).

However, after viewing/hearing it, I'd say while 90% of what happened is on Tyreek, the cop could learn a few things on de-escalation.

Just glad that nobody was hurt. Maybe Tyreek and other "Celebrities" will realize, when they aren't on the field, they are just like the rest of us, everyday people who should know how to function in society. That said, guessing that type of behavior by Tyreek, isn't reserved just for celebrities and cops see it more times than we know.

 

[OldSchool101]

One of the best books that I ever read as a teenager was written by an ex state trooper from New York. It was called "How To Avoid Speeding Tickets." The author laid out everything that an officer experiences during a traffic stop. He perfectly explained why everything that you could do to alleviate an officer's fears would go a long way to getting off without a ticket. Those things included pulling over immediately in a safe area, pulling over far enough so that the officer won't get hit by traffic, turning off the vehicle, putting the keys on the dashboard for the officer to see, rolling down the window, turning on your interior light so they can see there are no dangers, keeping your hands on the steering wheel, moving slowly and announcing why you may reach into a pocket or glove box..... The rationale was that by the time the officer was ready to write the ticket, he/she would be so relaxed and at ease that they consider letting you off with a warning.

Tyreek did none of those things. He made everything worse from the get-go. I still think that yanking him out aggressively was a mistake. I doubt they would have done that if it was a 60yr old white guy wearing a shirt and tie - just my opinion. They still would have gotten him out of the vehicle but without the same force. I think that the officer skipped a step. They should have opened the door and forcefully repeated their demand for him to exit instead of immediately removing him. There was nothing to suggest that Hill was doing anything besides being disobedient and disrespectful. If they did this to a snooty US Senator I think that the officer would be in the same trouble. If it had happened to a piece of trailer trash, it wouldn't even break into the local news.

See that’s the thing. Why do certain characters seemingly “try” to escalate something so simple into an altercation?
Many of the Defensive behaviors that people do when pulled over are what cause the overreaction. If half of the stuff that was done in these videos was done to a stranger at a bar? They’d get knocked out or knifed out back after bar time. Now I’m not implying that’s ok, but we get what we ask for.

I’ve witnessed plenty of white guys get the crap beaten out of them by cops. Only because they were similarly drunk and resisting. Once I had a friend that parked his Bronco up a large snow bank in a parking lot of a bar. Cops came in looking for trouble and he was about Blake Martinez size. He had also went to law school. He told them he would gladly move his truck if they sited the ordinance that he couldn’t park on a snow bank!
He was actually correct there was not an ordinance in 1996 but there was in 1997 afterwards!!
That led to him walking outside and 5 Officers on ice trying to chase him like it was that ice rink on Charlie Brown. Cops falling everywhere it was hilarious!! It ended in a White guy getting roughed up and thrown into the Pattty Wagon! I had to bail him out at 6am and he deserved it imo. Thats what happens when bipolar meets alcohol meets cops with nothing better to do. True Story here.

Just move the truck already! That’s all they wanted.
Just get out if the vehicle and lightly make conversation and thank them for protecting the community at risk of their lives. That situation would’ve never happened had Tyreek communicated properly and politely. I’m about 97.9417% sure of that. Treat people how you want to be treated and quit being a crybaby when your bad attitude gets you more than you bargained. These stories lead to Cops getting murdered it’s not funny to me and Tyreek needs to wipe that dumb smirk off his face and quit acting like a 10 year old.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

The ONLY issue I had with what the cops did was they obviously lied that he was going 100 in a 40. He MIGHT have been doing 70...which in Florida is still what they call down there 'Super speeding'. Everything else seemed not out of the ordinary.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

See that’s the thing. Why do certain characters seemingly “try” to escalate something so simple into an altercation?
Many of the Defensive behaviors that people do when pulled over are what cause the overreaction. If half of the stuff that was done in these videos was done to a stranger at a bar? They’d get knocked out or knifed out back after bar time. Now I’m not implying that’s ok, but we get what we ask for.

I’ve witnessed plenty of white guys get the crap beaten out of them by cops. Only because they were similarly drunk and resisting. Once I had a friend that parked his Bronco up a large snow bank in a parking lot of a bar. Cops came in looking for trouble and he was about Blake Martinez size. He had also went to law school. He told them he would gladly move his truck if they sited the ordinance that he couldn’t park on a snow bank!
He was actually correct there was not an ordinance in 1996 but there was in 1997 afterwards!!
That led to him walking outside and 5 Officers on ice trying to chase him like it was that ice rink on Charlie Brown. Cops falling everywhere it was hilarious!! It ended in a White guy getting roughed up and thrown into the Pattty Wagon! I had to bail him out at 6am and he deserved it imo. Thats what happens when bipolar meets alcohol meets cops with nothing better to do. True Story here.

Just move the truck already! That’s all they wanted.
Just get out if the vehicle and lightly make conversation and thank them for protecting the community at risk of their lives. That situation would’ve never happened had Tyreek communicated properly and politely. I’m about 97.9417% sure of that. Treat people how you want to be treated and quit being a crybaby when your bad attitude gets you more than you bargained. These stories lead to Cops getting murdered it’s not funny to me and Tyreek needs to wipe that dumb smirk off his face and quit acting like a 10 year old.

I think there are ample situations where both sides were WRONG. Dash and body cam footage proves that theory. So yup, we can recite stories where 1 side or the other side didn't handle it properly and it escalated into something that it shouldn't be and then both sides do things they shouldn't have. But we see that in our everyday lives. Fights with our GF/Wife/BF/Husband/Family/Friends, etc. The big difference being there isn't one of us carrying weapons and the possibility of the other doing the same. Not to mention the fact that the person carrying the weapon is known to have the right to use it.

How would these traffic stops go if a cop, who was just on lunch break from his desk job (no uniform, no weapons) with just a siren, lights and a badge to identify themselves pulled Tyreek over? I have a feeling a lot different.

I can't discount Tyreek's behavior too much. Was it arrogant and over the top, sure it was. Problem is, he has seen what can happen when a black man gets pulled over on a traffic stop. I also think the cop, has seen what can happen when a car with tinted windows is pulled over and the driver is uncooperative.

I'm not trying to say how he behaved was correct, but as a white male, I can't really relate to having the same fear as he might have had in that situation.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think there are ample situations where both sides were WRONG. Dash and body cam footage proves that theory. So yup, we can recite stories where 1 side or the other side didn't handle it properly and it escalated into something that it shouldn't be and then both sides do things they shouldn't have. But we see that in our everyday lives. Fights with our GF/Wife/BF/Husband/Family/Friends, etc. The big difference being there isn't one of us carrying weapons and the possibility of the other doing the same. Not to mention the fact that the person carrying the weapon is known to have the right to use it.

How would these traffic stops go if a cop, who was just on lunch break from his desk job (no uniform, no weapons) with just a siren, lights and a badge to identify themselves pulled Tyreek over? I have a feeling a lot different.

I can't discount Tyreek's behavior too much. Was it arrogant and over the top, sure it was. Problem is, he has seen what can happen when a black man gets pulled over on a traffic stop. I also think the cop, has seen what can happen when a car with tinted windows is pulled over and the driver is uncooperative.

I'm not trying to say how he behaved was correct, but as a white male, I can't really relate to having the same fear as he might have had in that situation.

Yes. Add to that there is a heightened alertness to expect that we could get mistreated like we’ve seen ample evidence. The number of folks getting mistreated though pales in comparison to the number of traffic stops. The issue is we have 250,000,000 people driving around on a regular basis. It’s not hard to find the .0001 that gets mistreated on an aggravated level each year. Thats 25,000 drivers yearly or roughly 70 people a day in our country.
There’s 5 camera phone’s on every street corner and 5 more media outlets just clamoring for the next story of abuse to limelight.

Heck I’ve probably wanted to hurt a few drivers myself and I have no authority whatsoever! It’s a good thing too. Lol.

The point being is that the focus should be on one that prevents these incidents. Imo this was 200% preventable with being orderly and cooperative or polite. Who needs the added stress we don’t need to manufacturer more. Quit judging people based on our last bad encounter and that goes for all parties. We too often play the martyr role and it’s not a good look at all for citizens.

 

[Voyageur]

Before I saw the body cam footage, I thought what many probably did (cops vs black guy, oh ****, here we go).

However, after viewing/hearing it, I'd say while 90% of what happened is on Tyreek, the cop could learn a few things on de-escalation.

Just glad that nobody was hurt. Maybe Tyreek and other "Celebrities" will realize, when they aren't on the field, they are just like the rest of us, everyday people who should know how to function in society. That said, guessing that type of behavior by Tyreek, isn't reserved just for celebrities and cops see it more times than we know.

To put it in perspective, the catalyst for what transpired was all on Hill. Had he acted like a normal person instead of a pampered person who felt entitlement, it would have been a routine stop, and he probably would have been given a warning. He simply wanted to act out and created the problem.

The moment he rolled up that window, with the tint on that glass, he had become the equivalent of physically confrontational, because the police officer had to feel he could be in mortal danger. At that point, had the officers busted out that window and dragged him out through it, it would be justified.

If you don't want a fight, don't pick one. Hill picked one and got his rear spanked for it. He deserved it, and should be charged for his actions. He could even be charged with resisting, because of the window.

I know it's difficult for anyone who hasn't put their life on the line in a traffic stop to understand, but rest assured, it's more dangerous than almost anything else a cop does.