Trade Deadline..."IF" Gute does a move what position you asking Santa for?

[Dantés]

Well I don't really remember why, but I am OUTRAGED.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Well I don't really remember why, but I am OUTRAGED.

I always know why I'm outraged. Then again, it happens infrequently enough for me that it's not a problem.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I find the part about the Packers inquiring into a trade for Leveon really hard to believe. They have AJ and JW and hardly the cap space for Bell. That trade would have made absolutely no sense.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-steelers-were-in-the-mix-for-possible-trade/

 

[Dantés]

I find the part about the Packers inquiring into a trade for Leveon really hard to believe. They have AJ and JW and hardly the cap space for Bell. That trade would have made absolutely no sense.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-steelers-were-in-the-mix-for-possible-trade/

Who knows the game of telephone that goes in between reality and these reports. I bet at times GM's inquire about asking price simply because they want to understand a fluid market.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who knows the game of telephone that goes in between reality and these reports. I bet at times GM's inquire about asking price simply because they want to understand a fluid market.

Agree. Maybe Gute was on the phone with the Jets inquiring about WR Robbie Anderson and Gute nonchalantly asked "What are you looking to get for Bell?" When he heard the price, recovered from spitting out his coffee, he quickly changed the subject back to Anderson.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Cam Newton is on a Plane and on his way to Green Bay!

Relax.... he is headed there to visit renowned foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. Sounds like his injury isn't healing as fast as they thought it would. Guessing we see Kyle Allen on Nov. 10th and not Cam.

 

[GleefulGary]

Cam Newton is on a Plane and on his way to Green Bay!

Relax.... he is headed there to visit renowned foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. Sounds like his injury isn't healing as fast as they thought it would. Guessing we see Kyle Allen on Nov. 10th and not Cam.

Might make a decent TE. Kind of expensive though.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I find the part about the Packers inquiring into a trade for Leveon really hard to believe. They have AJ and JW and hardly the cap space for Bell. That trade would have made absolutely no sense.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-steelers-were-in-the-mix-for-possible-trade/

Ah, the reporter judiciously stated that the Jets "talked to several teams" about a trade. That could be, "Hey, Packers, you interested?" When the admin assistant says, "Mr. Gutekunst, I have Joe Douglas [the Jet's GM] on the line," do you think he says, "Take a message--I'm not talking to him because he might try to trade me Le'Veon Bell." Taking a call is not interest, if that even happened.

Note that it is Bell himself who is quoted as saying the Packers were interested.

So, do you think Le'Veon Bell isn't just self-promoting, or his agent stretched the truth to make him feel good, or your presumably informed understanding of the situation? You should give yourself more credit. If you did, you wouldn't bother posting this.

As for the redundancy of adding Bell to Williams and Jones, the Jets may have wanted Jones as part of the package. Problem solved!

I wouldn't trade Jones straight up for Bell even if their money was the same. Bell was a high mileage back to start with, the best argument for him being the year of R&R might have added a year or two to his career. That isn't happening.

 

[swhitset]

Who knows the game of telephone that goes in between reality and these reports. I bet at times GM's inquire about asking price simply because they want to understand a fluid market.

Bell also named the Steelers as a team that was interested in him.... that statement alone should be enough to make the whole thing sound ridiculous.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For lack of a better thread to put this...

For all those that have talked about wanting the Packers to acquire Le'Veon Bell.....What is it with some of these players? They are being paid millions, know the rules and the standards that they are required to follow, yet we still get this BS. If you don't like the terms of your contract or those of the NFL, go work somewhere else.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ests-refuses-to-take-additional-ones-in-2019/

 

[Mondio]

For lack of a better thread to put this...

For all those that have talked about wanting the Packers to acquire Le'Veon Bell.....What is it with some of these players? They are being paid millions, know the rules and the standards that they are required to follow, yet we still get this BS. If you don't like the terms of your contract or those of the NFL, go work somewhere else.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ests-refuses-to-take-additional-ones-in-2019/

I'm with him though. I am. I don't take anything. I am firmly against looking for drugs as a term of employment. Everyone just accepts it. Prove your clean before you can work. Doesn't mean you can't come to work dirty tomorrow or won't. It's no different than if someone wanted to say let me look in your house if you want to live in this neighborhood. Let me search your car to drive thru this city. Let me do a background check before you can send your kid to our school.

I'm against them 100% because I don't think they're very effective for anything really other than a feel good moment that they're "doing something" and though we all accept it, seems like a direct violation of the 4th amendment. Not trying to make it political, but I don't know how else to say it.

If they were serious about this stuff, investigate, stings, build evidence and lifetime ban. Done. Random tests just muddy it and make it easier to look like they're doing something.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm with him though. I am. I don't take anything. I am firmly against looking for drugs as a term of employment. Everyone just accepts it. Prove your clean before you can work. Doesn't mean you can't come to work dirty tomorrow or won't. It's no different than if someone wanted to say let me look in your house if you want to live in this neighborhood. Let me search your car to drive thru this city. Let me do a background check before you can send your kid to our school.

I'm against them 100% because I don't think they're very effective for anything really other than a feel good moment that they're "doing something" and though we all accept it, seems like a direct violation of the 4th amendment. Not trying to make it political, but I don't know how else to say it.

If they were serious about this stuff, investigate, stings, build evidence and lifetime ban. Done. Random tests just muddy it and make it easier to look like they're doing something.

I wasn't trying to make it a "right or wrong thing" as far as what the NFL does or doesn't do in regards to drug testing. My point is pretty simple, if you don't want to play by the rules that you agree to when you sign a contract, go work somewhere else. If you don't like the rules, then be active and get them changed the correct way. I totally understand that he doesn't like it, but we have seen what pissing and moaning about these kinds of things via social media result in. Not to mention that he is basically saying "I'm not taking another test".

Much like this forum, you agree to its rules when you sign on, publicly *****ing about them and saying you won't obey them, isn't a good look IMO.

 

[swhitset]

I'm with him though. I am. I don't take anything. I am firmly against looking for drugs as a term of employment. Everyone just accepts it. Prove your clean before you can work. Doesn't mean you can't come to work dirty tomorrow or won't. It's no different than if someone wanted to say let me look in your house if you want to live in this neighborhood. Let me search your car to drive thru this city. Let me do a background check before you can send your kid to our school.

I'm against them 100% because I don't think they're very effective for anything really other than a feel good moment that they're "doing something" and though we all accept it, seems like a direct violation of the 4th amendment. Not trying to make it political, but I don't know how else to say it.

If they were serious about this stuff, investigate, stings, build evidence and lifetime ban. Done. Random tests just muddy it and make it easier to look like they're doing something.

While I do agree with your sentiment... the 4th Ammendment has absolutely nothing to do with it since it is referring to government intrusion not private contractual obligation.

 

[Mondio]

While I do agree with your sentiment... the 4th Ammendment has absolutely nothing to do with it since it is referring to government intrusion not private contractual obligation.

but there are laws against that too. You can't send company agents into homes to make sure employees are reading the right books, have the right bibles, and are clean enough to come back to work the next day like Henry liked to do.

I don't know how we got to a place where giving up a protected right "voluntarily" as a condition of employment is ok, yet here we are. Reasonable suspicion, prove it and force the tests. Require they can just "randomly" come looking in order to be employed? why does anyone agree to that?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

why does anyone agree to that?

Pay me $15M/year and I will gladly agree to that. Bell and other players have agreed to abide by the NFL rules when they sign their employment contracts. While I do not know the specifics about the NFL drug testing rules, I am pretty confident that they are abiding by the rules that they and the Players Union agreed to. Bell doesn't like them? Then he should seek employment elsewhere.

Seems like you are confusing how you feel about the NFL doing what they do with what players have agree to be subjected to. I guess if I was paying a player like Bell the kind of money the Jets are, I would want to do everything I could legally and contractually, to make sure he is "drug free". If I am his boss or his teammate, I doubt I like reading what he said.

 

[Mondio]

Pay me $15M/year and I will gladly agree to that. Bell and other players have agreed to abide by the NFL rules when they sign their employment contracts. While I do not know the specifics about the NFL drug testing rules, I am pretty confident that they are abiding by the rules that they and the Players Union agreed to. Bell doesn't like them? Then he should seek employment elsewhere.

Seems like you are confusing how you feel about the NFL doing what they do with what players have agree to be subjected to. I guess if I was paying a player like Bell the kind of money the Jets are, I would want to do everything I could legally and contractually, to make sure he is "drug free". If I am his boss or his teammate, I doubt I like reading what he said.

I can't make you abide by things that aren't legal in any landlord tenant agreement. why can an employer make your give up rights as a condition of employment? other than those with the money made the rules and we seem to sheepishly accept it, why does it seem like a good idea?

Look, you dangle a big enough carrot relative to the horse in front of you, you can make them agree to all sorts of things, doesn't make it right, or legal. I don't know why we're here in this "free" country, yet here we are. I don't know why it would be so hard to build a case and force a test with reasonable cause like everything else. Random searches go against everything this country was founded on. Shouldn't matter how much you're paying someone to do a job for you entails, individual rights of a free population shouldn't be superseded.

 

[Half Empty]

Any chance of taking this to The Atrium? I think there's a lot of fun stuff to discuss, but it isn't Packer-related any more.

 

[Poppa San]

Any chance of taking this to The Atrium? I think there's a lot of fun stuff to discuss, but it isn't Packer-related any more.

Start a new thread there with a quote of whichever post you want to discuss.

 

[Half Empty]

It's over there under Random Drug Testing

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's over there under Random Drug Testing

Do we have to agree to random drug testing to participate?