TJ Watt

[Deleted member 6794]

There's no doubt Thompson made a mistake passing on TJ Watt to trade down and select King.

While there's no way to fairly evaluate the trickle down effect drafting Watt would have made it's reasonable to criticize TT for that mistake.

 

[Pugger]

You can play this game with nearly every player picked in the last 20 years.

Yes, but this thread is about discussing just one player over another in one particular draft.

 

[tynimiller]

Yes, but this thread is about discussing just one player over another in one particular draft.

Which had been chatted to adnasuem already, and not to mention again you could make 20 threads in two minutes of the exact same nature, hindsight draft discussions such as these are 99% complaining and whining with only 1% true draft discussion.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Which had been chatted to adnasuem already, and not to mention again you could make 20 threads in two minutes of the exact same nature, hindsight draft discussions such as these are 99% complaining and whining with only 1% true draft discussion.

It's hilarious how some posters around here vehemently propose the idea that it takes a minimum of three years to fairly evaluate a draft class yet if another poster dares to criticize the Packers for making a mistake in the draft several years ago it gets thrown out as something that should never be talked about again by the same posters.

 

[tynimiller]

Incorrect, you evaluate the draft selections for sure and waiting is always best....but literally could start a thread for EVERY pick not in the first round (some of those even) and do the same exact thing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Incorrect, you evaluate the draft selections for sure and waiting is always best....but literally could start a thread for EVERY pick not in the first round (some of those even) and do the same exact thing.

I agree that it would be possible to start a similar thread on a lot of draft picks for every team in the league. That doesn't change the fact that passing on Watt to trade down and select King was a huge mistake by Thompson.

 

[Mondio]

It's hilarious how some posters around here vehemently propose the idea that it takes a minimum of three years to fairly evaluate a draft class yet if another poster dares to criticize the Packers for making a mistake in the draft several years ago it gets thrown out as something that should never be talked about again by the same posters.

I don't think he was saying that, rather saying it HAS been talked about ad nauseam on this board since that day, and I'd agree with him. You can't see an incomplete pass by Rodgers in any given game and not have any 1 of 4 posters going off about King and Watt. It's been that ridiculous over the years. a few bad plays be defense, King/Watt. Defense gives up a first down, King/Watt. packers give up the first first down of the game, King/Watt explodes in the chat room.

so, any new information on King/Watt that hasn't been discussed 4,567 times since just August of this year? Go ahead, start a thread if not, is it really necessary?

anyway, since we have the thread, about the time he inks a huge deal you'll see the frame can't handle the strength type injuries that plagued his brother start getting the younger Watt too. At least King was inexpensive while he was injured that's my prediction. But yes, it's fairly obvious at that up to this point, one was definitely the more productive pick.

 

[tynimiller]

I agree that it would be possible to start a similar thread on a lot of draft picks for every team in the league. That doesn't change the fact that passing on Watt to trade down and select King was a huge mistake by Thompson.

I'd argue more than even TJ - Kamara, Dalvin Cook should have been nabbed or Curtis Samuel even given our situations.

2017 Josh Jones pick - JuJu, Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Dion Dawkins, Aaron Jones, Kittle

2017 Montravius Adams - Cameron Sutton, Kenny Golladay, Dede Westbrook, Aaron Jones, Kittle

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I don't fault TT for going King when we needed help at CB. I fault him for not plugging holes in free agency to the extent that Gute has. That's more the issue. Missing out on TJ led us to getting Z, as many of us have mentioned. We finally have a GM who's able to fill in for mistakes in the draft which is awesome and takes the pressure off of needing to bat above average every year in a crapshoot draft.

 

[mradtke66]

I don't fault TT for going King when we needed help at CB. I fault him for not plugging holes in free agency to the extent that Gute has. That's more the issue. Missing out on TJ led us to getting Z, as many of us have mentioned. We finally have a GM who's able to fill in for mistakes in the draft which is awesome and takes the pressure off of needing to bat above average every year in a crapshoot draft.

I don't expect Gute to do what he did with Smith, Smith, and Amos on the regular.

I am in the camp that you build the core of your team with the draft. Trades are rare due to the cap implications on the team giving up player(s.) Signing impact free agents mean you're over paying.

The S-S-A free agent year is due to our drafts being sufficiently bad for long enough, we had a matchup of 1. A Lack of Players worth Extending and 2. Sufficient Cap space. Thompson did this early in his tenure, signing Woodson and Pickett under similar circumstances.

Once the GM is rolling and he has his guys, assuming he's drafting well, he'll typically extend his good players, let the mediocre ones leaves, and keep back filling with young, cheap draft picks. If he isn't drafting well, he'll end up fired before too long.

This past year is probably far closer to normal, though I'd argue it's about the same as the first 1/2 of Thompson's tenure as well. Sign a few cheap bodies for 1-2 year or so. Wagner and Kirksey vs. Brandon Chillar (sp?), Duke Preston, and Anthony Smith. And many seem to think that Kirksey and Wagner are likely cuts. Those contracts in particular aren't painful, but get too many wrong, and you're back to being a former-GM.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

If his name was Jack Clark from Tennessee, Packer fans wouldn't be talking about this. It's only because he went to school at Wisconsin. Seriously, I don't recall people complaining anywhere near this much about taking Vonnie Holliday over Randy Moss. Or more recently Nick Perry over Harrison Smith. Maybe I care less because I despise the Badgers. I think it hit a breaking point when people kept saying Abbrederis and Vince Biegel were going to carve out big roles on this team.

 

[Mondio]

If his name was Jack Clark from Tennessee, Packer fans wouldn't be talking about this. It's only because he went to school at Wisconsin. Seriously, I don't recall people complaining anywhere near this much about taking Vonnie Holliday over Randy Moss. Or more recently Nick Perry over Harrison Smith. Maybe I care less because I despise the Badgers. I think it hit a breaking point when people kept saying Abbrederis and Vince Biegel were going to carve out big roles on this team.

probably not nearly as much, but people tend to identify with people that have commonalities with. It's human nature. and he's from WI, grew up here, went to college here and was/is a player any team could probably use on their roster if they want to get better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't expect Gute to do what he did with Smith, Smith, and Amos on the regular.

That's absolutely realistic as there's not enough cap space available to make such moves every single year.

 

[PikeBadger]

I don't think he was saying that, rather saying it HAS been talked about ad nauseam on this board since that day, and I'd agree with him. You can't see an incomplete pass by Rodgers in any given game and not have any 1 of 4 posters going off about King and Watt. It's been that ridiculous over the years. a few bad plays be defense, King/Watt. Defense gives up a first down, King/Watt. packers give up the first first down of the game, King/Watt explodes in the chat room.

so, any new information on King/Watt that hasn't been discussed 4,567 times since just August of this year? Go ahead, start a thread if not, is it really necessary?

anyway, since we have the thread, about the time he inks a huge deal you'll see the frame can't handle the strength type injuries that plagued his brother start getting the younger Watt too. At least King was inexpensive while he was injured that's my prediction. But yes, it's fairly obvious at that up to this point, one was definitely the more productive pick.

Should have taken Troy Vincent instead of Terrell Buckley. Also should have taken Chris Chambers instead of Robert Ferguson.

also......... instead of drafting Harrell, should have traded back to late 1st round and taken Olson or Staley.


Ok,ok....... I’ll shut up.

 

[PikeBadger]

If his name was Jack Clark from Tennessee, Packer fans wouldn't be talking about this. It's only because he went to school at Wisconsin. Seriously, I don't recall people complaining anywhere near this much about taking Vonnie Holliday over Randy Moss. Or more recently Nick Perry over Harrison Smith. Maybe I care less because I despise the Badgers. I think it hit a breaking point when people kept saying Abbrederis and Vince Biegel were going to carve out big roles on this team.

Randy Moss had very serious baggage that made him a huge question mark. He needed to be a good “fit” to be drafted. Moss, could have just as easily been a bust for many NFL teams.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Would they have signed the smith bros?

If we get TJ they sign Z but probably only Z. Maybe we don't need to go with Rashawn Gary at 9 and could've gone QB with the first pick in 2019.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If we get TJ they sign Z but probably only Z. Maybe we don't need to go with Rashawn Gary at 9 and could've gone QB with the first pick in 2019.

That would have even made less sense than selecting Love in the first round in 2020.

 

[GleefulGary]

Randy Moss had very serious baggage that made him a huge question mark. He needed to be a good “fit” to be drafted. Moss, could have just as easily been a bust for many NFL teams.

Very serious baggage? No.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Very serious baggage? No.

Sorry, I still chuckle at the "Mooning incident". I think he was one of the best wide receivers I ever saw.

 

[PikeBadger]

Sorry, I still chuckle at the "Mooning incident". I think he was one of the best wide receivers I ever saw.

He had IMO the best natural WR talent and ability of any player I’ve ever seen. Absolutely off the chart physical tools and abilities.

 

[PikeBadger]

Very serious baggage? No.

Disagree completely. Had huge red flags in regards to his mental and emotional makeup and maturity level. A lot of teams did not have him on their draft board.

 

[PikeBadger]

Sorry, I still chuckle at the "Mooning incident". I think he was one of the best wide receivers I ever saw.

Would you chuckle if some Frenchman desecrated Buckingham Palace???

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Would you chuckle if some Frenchman desecrated Buckingham Palace???

Oh c`mon man. Do you seriously believe those fans were applauding everything he did that day ? They continually barracked him all through the game and he scored the winning TD to shut them up. Our fans just got butt hurt because he beat us in our own back yard and wasn`t gracious about it.

 

[PikeBadger]

Oh c`mon man. Do you seriously believe those fans were applauding everything he did that day ? They continually barracked him all through the game and he scored the winning TD to shut them up. Our fans just got butt hurt because he beat us in our own back yard and wasn`t gracious about it.

You’re not a native cheesehead, you don’t fully comprehend the gravity of that situation. We must protect our house. It is a shrine.

 

[longtimefan]

Oh c`mon man. Do you seriously believe those fans were applauding everything he did that day ? They continually barracked him all through the game and he scored the winning TD to shut them up. Our fans just got butt hurt because he beat us in our own back yard and wasn`t gracious about it.

Joe buck called it one most embarrassing things he ever seen