The Khalil Mack thread -- now a Bear for $155million

[Jerellh528]

Supposedly Mack is officially on the trade block

https://mobile.twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/1032634100342030336

 

[Snoops]

Supposedly Mack is officially on the trade block

https://mobile.twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/1032634100342030336

Interesting that they just said he wasn’t lol
Get it done!!!

 

[Mondio]

official or not, they're taking and have been taking calls from teams that are interested

 

[Snoops]

I think that source is bogus.. unless I see it from a good trusted source I ain’t believing nothing lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Interesting that they just said he wasn’t lol
Get it done!!!

official or not, they're taking and have been taking calls from teams that are interested

I think that source is bogus.. unless I see it from a good trusted source I ain’t believing nothing lol

You read and saw it here first.......Mack is on the way to Green Bay!!!!!

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[Snoops]

Green Bay apparently has a offer on the table for Mack.. according to acme packer news.. could be bogus Idk apparently the jets have one too.. bills giants Seahawks 49ers are all interested too.. now it could be just something to talk about but I seriously think they are trying to make something happen.. gute and McKenzie are friends a trade to afc to nfc they play each other tmrw too plenty of time to strike a deal.. in person.. lol! I’m thinking this could really happen! Maybe he takes the flight back with Green Bay?

 

[Mondio]

I actually think they are too. Long Term, Mack is DUN in Oakland and i don't think they want that on their team. It's a terrible look. The QB and some lower round lineman from that draft class got paid, and the best player on the team didn't. How does that look to other players if they call this bluff and leave him sit all year and don't negotiate. From what I heard, there hasn't even been a conversation between agent and team since the end of last year really. Nothing, no offers, no negotiations, nothing. not a good look. If they move him, they at least keep the perception of being a reasonable team with players. They don't want a player that that ticked of at them playing for them anyway or in that locker room and Mack doesn't want to be there.

He is going to be out of Oakland, I don't care what they say publicly about trading or not. it's just a matter of who and where. I'm not inclined to give up a ton of draft capital or player because there is also the issue of the contract. It's way too much to give up a ton of capital and cap space for one player. It's already a big risk, which you sometimes have to take, to commit that much cap space to one player and Mack isn't coming anywhere without a contract that's committed to. Since it's absolutely going to take that, i'm not giving up picks and players equal to his worth on top of it. If it goes wrong, we really will be wasting Rodgers career because this would have effects for 3 years at least

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How does that look to other players if they call this bluff and leave him sit all year and don't negotiate.

Depends on a persons stance on contracts. If you buy into the notion that a team should renegotiate deals for disgruntled players, no matter how much time is left on a contract, then I guess the Raiders front office look like ******. However, if you view a contract for what it is, a legal document that defines the terms of the relationship to which all parties are bound by, than Mack looks like the fool.

Not to open up the whole Mack contract thing again, but it's a really slippery slope for a team to cave into players like this IMO. Have teams done it? Sure. My guess is they do it more often with players like AR, that haven't threaten to sit, are still playing under the terms of the deal they signed, haven't put themselves ahead of their teammates, etc.

As much as I would love Mack's skill set on the Packers, I wouldn't be in favor of the cost to acquire it along with a guy who has clearly drawn a line in the sand as to whats the most important thing to him.

 

[Conan Troutman]

I actually think they are too. Long Term, Mack is DUN in Oakland and i don't think they want that on their team. It's a terrible look. The QB and some lower round lineman from that draft class got paid, and the best player on the team didn't. How does that look to other players if they call this bluff and leave him sit all year and don't negotiate. From what I heard, there hasn't even been a conversation between agent and team since the end of last year really. Nothing, no offers, no negotiations, nothing. not a good look. If they move him, they at least keep the perception of being a reasonable team with players. They don't want a player that that ticked of at them playing for them anyway or in that locker room and Mack doesn't want to be there.

He is going to be out of Oakland, I don't care what they say publicly about trading or not. it's just a matter of who and where. I'm not inclined to give up a ton of draft capital or player because there is also the issue of the contract. It's way too much to give up a ton of capital and cap space for one player. It's already a big risk, which you sometimes have to take, to commit that much cap space to one player and Mack isn't coming anywhere without a contract that's committed to. Since it's absolutely going to take that, i'm not giving up picks and players equal to his worth on top of it. If it goes wrong, we really will be wasting Rodgers career because this would have effects for 3 years at least

I never thought the Raiders would actually trade Mack, but if what you say is true they may have to.

What would be a good deal? I don't know. I do know that I would easily give up both first round picks for a prospect of Mack's caliber - but with that contract, that lowers the price quite a bit. Still, you're probably not going to get a deal without a 1st and something, but maybe Gute can pull off some wizardry here.

Re: your last sentence: Rodgers is 35 and an heir apparent is not in sight - so basically I'm fine with going the traditional all-in route if that's Gute's plan. Trade picks you would otherwise spend on unknown players for a proven elite player at premier position (that also happens to be one your most glaring positions of need and would probably require the use of at least one those 1st round picks anyway), push cap money out front and try to make a run or two and reassess where you stand in two years.

Thompson may have been forced to do the same if Rodgers didn't fall into his lap, but Gutekunst will most likely take this route.

 

[sschind]

Green Bay apparently has a offer on the table for Mack.. according to acme packer news.. could be bogus Idk apparently the jets have one too.. bills giants Seahawks 49ers are all interested too.. now it could be just something to talk about but I seriously think they are trying to make something happen.. gute and McKenzie are friends a trade to afc to nfc they play each other tmrw too plenty of time to strike a deal.. in person.. lol! I’m thinking this could really happen! Maybe he takes the flight back with Green Bay?

Where did you read that they had an offer on the table? I read through the whole site and didn't see that.

 

[Snoops]

Where did you read that they had an offer on the table? I read through the whole site and didn't see that.

I’m sorry it is through cheeseheadtv they had a link

 

[Dantés]

C'mon Gute! Get that LOOT!!!

 

[sschind]

I’m sorry it is through cheeseheadtv they had a link

I did find that link but it says the article does not exist.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Trade picks you would otherwise spend on unknown players for a proven elite player at premier position (that also happens to be one your most glaring positions of need and would probably require the use of at least one those 1st round picks anyway), push cap money out front and try to make a run or two and reassess where you stand in two years.

With the Packers currently de facto only having $9 million of cap space there's no way to frontload a contract for Mack resulting in the team possibly running into troubles with the cap if he doesn't perform up to expectations.

 

[XPack]

I'd rather spend the money beefing up depth in OLine and ILB.

 

[Jerellh528]

I'd rather spend the money beefing up depth in OLine and ILB.

Instead of on an elite, top 5 defensive player in the league, with hall of fame potential in his prime? Mack is game changing.

 

[elcid]

Ship Cobb and a high to mid round pick of to OAK, McKenzie sure has a thing for worn down Packer receivers. Add in Dez for pennies on the dollar. Not sure how serious the injury to Burks is, but if not too serious im willing to roll the dice on the ILB positional group and Oline. If Mack is acquired, Clay can also play soms snaps at ILB

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Boy if you listen to this guy, who appears to be a San Diego media guy, he isn't all that impressed with Mack. Jon Gruden might not either from the sounds of things in Oakland.

https://www.foxsports.com/san-diego/video/1305974339960

 

[Dantés]

Boy if you listen to this guy, who appears to be a San Diego media guy, he isn't all that impressed with Mack. Jon Gruden might not either from the sounds of things in Oakland.

https://www.foxsports.com/san-diego/video/1305974339960

Hey, if Gruden thinks his elite edge rusher is overrated, fleece the fool for all he’s worth!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hey, if Gruden thinks his elite edge rusher is overrated, fleece the fool for all he’s worth!

The problem is, you could possibly "fleece" the Raiders for Mack, but will you get fleeced by Mack when it comes to paying him? I still haven't really dived in deep as to how good Mack is or isn't. But the one guy in the video pointed out a few points, whether they are valid or not. The first being that Macks sacks are on the decline not on the incline and more importantly, if true, Mack can be game planned with one offensive Tackle.

To me it would not be a waste at all to spend a first rounder on him, that could only be viewed as a great trade for the Packers. However, the amount of money that will be required to employ Mack and all the ramifications of the salary cap, that gives me pause.

 

[Dantés]

The problem is, you could possibly "fleece" the Raiders for Mack, but will you get fleeced by Mack when it comes to paying him? I still haven't really dived in deep as to how good Mack is or isn't. But the one guy in the video pointed out a few points, whether they are valid or not. The first being that Macks sacks are on the decline not on the incline and more importantly, if true, Mack can be game planned with one offensive Tackle.

To me it would not be a waste at all to spend a first rounder on him, that could only be viewed as a great trade for the Packers. However, the amount of money that will be required to employ Mack and all the ramifications of the salary cap, that gives me pause.

Mack is elite. He’s a top 5 edge rusher beyond doubt, and I would say top 3 personally.

I have no way of knowing what he will do once he gets paid. What I’ve read for years is that he is extremely hard working and committed. Reporters typically note, for instance, that he stays in pristine physical condition whether he’s with the team or not.

I do know that he hasn’t missed a game in four years. And I haven’t heard anything about effort/character concerns until he said he wanted to get paid. So I’m a little dubious.

I’ll look at your link tonight and will try to keep an open mind.

 

[XPack]

Instead of on an elite, top 5 defensive player in the league, with hall of fame potential in his prime? Mack is game changing.

Wed have an excellent edge and suck through the middle. Edge is ok for now. Run defense is horrible. The need to beef run defence is more than the need to improve the edge imo.

And without depth in OLine, with one injury AR12 will be exposed to injury. And no amount of edge rush will fix that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I actually think they are too. Long Term, Mack is DUN in Oakland and i don't think they want that on their team. It's a terrible look. The QB and some lower round lineman from that draft class got paid, and the best player on the team didn't. How does that look to other players if they call this bluff and leave him sit all year and don't negotiate. From what I heard, there hasn't even been a conversation between agent and team since the end of last year really. Nothing, no offers, no negotiations, nothing. not a good look. If they move him, they at least keep the perception of being a reasonable team with players. They don't want a player that that ticked of at them playing for them anyway or in that locker room and Mack doesn't want to be there.

He is going to be out of Oakland, I don't care what they say publicly about trading or not. it's just a matter of who and where. I'm not inclined to give up a ton of draft capital or player because there is also the issue of the contract. It's way too much to give up a ton of capital and cap space for one player. It's already a big risk, which you sometimes have to take, to commit that much cap space to one player and Mack isn't coming anywhere without a contract that's committed to. Since it's absolutely going to take that, i'm not giving up picks and players equal to his worth on top of it. If it goes wrong, we really will be wasting Rodgers career because this would have effects for 3 years at least

This accurately states the risk in trading for this guy. It will cost a #1 pick and probably CMIII, or the first two #1 picks. And then they have to figure out a way to pay him, when they haven’t even figured out how to pay Rodgers. The risk/reward is too great, towards the risk side. I’d rather the Packers sit this one out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Wed have an excellent edge and suck through the middle. Edge is ok for now. Run defense is horrible. The need to beef run defence is more than the need to improve the edge imo.

And without depth in OLine, with one injury AR12 will be exposed to injury. And no amount of edge rush will fix that.

Yeah, there are too many other holes to fill - most notably O line depth after the disaster last night. I say take a pass on Mack. The risk outweighs the potential reward. Keeping ARod upright should be this team’s first priority. We saw what happens last year when he’s out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Mack is elite. He’s a top 5 edge rusher beyond doubt, and I would say top 3 personally.

I have no way of knowing what he will do once he gets paid. What I’ve read for years is that he is extremely hard working and committed. Reporters typically note, for instance, that he stays in pristine physical condition whether he’s with the team or not.

I do know that he hasn’t missed a game in four years. And I haven’t heard anything about effort/character concerns until he said he wanted to get paid. So I’m a little dubious.

I’ll look at your link tonight and will try to keep an open mind.

Mack is very good, and very reliable. IMHO, the risk of trading for him outweighs the reward. IF GB wants to get in the trade market, they should look first at adding some quality to their O line. As we saw last night, beyond the five starters (assuming Bulaga can start), there ain’t much there. Mack does GB no good if ARod gets injured again.