The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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Fair enough bud but IF we win a superbowl he`ll get all the credit and it will be down to the team, not just him like last time and I would then be asking why hadn`t he done before now ? I KNOW people will jump on me but.......
Last time it was about the team was 2010. After that it was all about him and morale been on a decline. What we were told by his family we thought was an attempt to tarnish his reputation due to spiteful hatred.
 

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This is too damn funny! I can't wait for the T-shirt to come out with a picture of Aaron in the EZ with "I've owned you all my f-ing life! I own you, I still own you."

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Hmmmm....I guess the T-shirt is sort of already out!
 

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I think some, myself included, would point to a lot of other teams "arsenal's" and comparatively speaking, be accurate to say that Rodgers really hasn't been given an abundance of them in the last 5 or so seasons.
Problems with other teams is they don't have Discount Double Check. Rod is very talented and could make a decent receiver into Devante Adams.
 

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A lot of you guys are needing to eat some of that humble pie, and it ain't going down so great (buggybill). Rodgers is exactly what he's always been. Arguably the greatest QB of all time, and someone who wants to win and cares about his legacy.

Coming onto sites like this always makes me laugh when I read what I've read all off season while he remained pretty much silent but let the organization let his intentions be known on what he wanted. Being mad at a team leader wanting to fix the deficiencies within this organization that SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 2 SBs BETWEEN 2 ATG's.
 

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A lot of you guys are needing to eat some of that humble pie, and it ain't going down so great (buggybill). Rodgers is exactly what he's always been. Arguably the greatest QB of all time, and someone who wants to win and cares about his legacy.

Coming onto sites like this always makes me laugh when I read what I've read all off season while he remained pretty much silent but let the organization let his intentions be known on what he wanted. Being mad at a team leader wanting to fix the deficiencies within this organization that SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 2 SBs BETWEEN 2 ATG's.

You are also looking at this in a rear view mirror, so you trying to shame others is kind of silly. We now have a lot more information about the situation and the motivation, but don't fool yourself into thinking you knew all of this before it actually surfaced.
 

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You are also looking at this in a rear view mirror, so you trying to shame others is kind of silly. We now have a lot more information about the situation and the motivation, but don't fool yourself into thinking you knew all of this before it actually surfaced.
I've stated the same thing I'm stating right now for months. People called me a "Rodgers homer" but I've always been a pro player fan and understand the deficiencies of this organization and that you don't win without the players. The majority on this forum are pro-FO, and that FO has chit the bed year after year after year with over the hill coaches and schemes along with subpar players.. all getting carried by 12 among others
 

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I've stated the same thing I'm stating right now for months. People called me a "Rodgers homer" but I've always been a pro player fan and understand the deficiencies of this organization and that you don't win without the players. The majority on this forum are pro-FO, and that FO has chit the bed year after year after year with over the hill coaches and schemes along with subpar players.. all getting carried by 12 among others
This has nothing to do with liking Rodgers or not liking him. I was a big Rodgers fan before all of this. Even after everything came out and he finally stated his intentions, I questioned the way he handled it. Some still question what he did and if it was really him being a good team leader or him being selfish and arrogant. I guess that is a debatable topic in itself. However, I will repeat what I said, for you to now point fingers at anyone who questioned what he was doing for all those months prior to him finally speaking out, is thumbing your nose at the wrong people, over the wrong topic. Those people were concerned about the Packers, more than the one player who decided to keep us all in the dark.
 
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You are also looking at this in a rear view mirror, so you trying to shame others is kind of silly. We now have a lot more information about the situation and the motivation, but don't fool yourself into thinking you knew all of this before it actually surfaced.
On the other hand, many of the ones he's trying to "shame", are also those who made assumptions about the whole situation, presented them as basically fact, and destroyed his character off of it.

I never had an issue with those who had an opinion that was different than mine. The issue that I had was posters who wanted to disown him, name call, character assassinate, etc. based on mere speculation.

I'm not lumping you into all of this necessarily. I don't remember your specific stance on it, and I don't really care to go back to find it. This is more of a general observation I made about a very significant percentage of forum members.
 

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A lot of you guys are needing to eat some of that humble pie, and it ain't going down so great (buggybill). Rodgers is exactly what he's always been. Arguably the greatest QB of all time, and someone who wants to win and cares about his legacy.

Coming onto sites like this always makes me laugh when I read what I've read all off season while he remained pretty much silent but let the organization let his intentions be known on what he wanted. Being mad at a team leader wanting to fix the deficiencies within this organization that SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 2 SBs BETWEEN 2 ATG's.
I get what you're saying and I hate to be judgemental but you can't ignore all the things that have been said about Rod by his family about his behavior that coincides with his behavior these past couple years.

And you're right it's about him and HIS legacy not the teams since getting that big check.
 

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I don't think Rodgers has any illusions that HIS legacy and the PACKERS aren't forever entwined. Some might see this this past offseason as him being selfish, and I was starting to get pretty annoyed with it all as well even though none of it made too much sense to me.

But once it was all said and done, and I saw a man get up and address everything pretty candidly, I don't think this offseason was just about him. He may care about his legacy, who wouldn't, but i'm sure he knows that the only way he helps "his" is to help the Packers. He's a smart guy in addition to being a complicated fellow.
 
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My guess is Aaron might have handled things differently presented with the same circumstances today. It’s amazing what some personal 1 on 1 open and friendly communication can do to resolve these situations. Simply giving Brian the benefit of the doubt would’ve been a start.


I can disagree and still give the guy a partial pass on how things were handled there. I don’t think there’s a non competitive bone in his body. In this life you often take the good with the bad.

Winning more football games plus a little bit of time starts to make my hurt feelings disappear.
Now go get that Lombardi back in house and we’ll have another chat!
 
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My guess is Aaron might have handled things differently presented with the same circumstances today. It’s amazing what some personal 1 on 1 open and friendly communication can do to resolve these situations. Simply giving Brian the benefit of the doubt would’ve been a start.


I can disagree and still give the guy a partial pass on how things were handled there. I don’t think there’s a non competitive bone in his body. In this life you often take the good with the bad.

Winning more football games plus a little bit of time starts to make my hurt feelings disappear.
Now go get that Lombardi back in house and we’ll have another chat!
Benefit of the doubt? That man has been a part of the organization for decades now. He's basically the same old same old that has frustrated not only Rodgers but countless of other vets that have come through GB
 

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This is too damn funny! I can't wait for the T-shirt to come out with a picture of Aaron in the EZ with "I've owned you all my f-ing life! I own you, I still own you."

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It will never be as funny as "After further review, the Bears still suck!"
 

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On the other hand, many of the ones he's trying to "shame", are also those who made assumptions about the whole situation, presented them as basically fact, and destroyed his character off of it.

I never had an issue with those who had an opinion that was different than mine. The issue that I had was posters who wanted to disown him, name call, character assassinate, etc. based on mere speculation.

I'm not lumping you into all of this necessarily. I don't remember your specific stance on it, and I don't really care to go back to find it. This is more of a general observation I made about a very significant percentage of forum members.
Get one thing clear. Not one person in the bunch of us know or knew the whole story. EVERYTHING is speculation. LetzBreel!
 

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A lot of you guys are needing to eat some of that humble pie, and it ain't going down so great (buggybill). Rodgers is exactly what he's always been. Arguably the greatest QB of all time, and someone who wants to win and cares about his legacy.

Coming onto sites like this always makes me laugh when I read what I've read all off season while he remained pretty much silent but let the organization let his intentions be known on what he wanted. Being mad at a team leader wanting to fix the deficiencies within this organization that SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 2 SBs BETWEEN 2 ATG's.
Silence isn't always golden. In my opinion, staying silent only fueled the fire. Should the Packers have won more than 1 Superbowl? It's a mute point. They didn't. You can lay the blame at the feet of any number of players and coaches. I don't mind humble pie, hell I've had plenty of it. Trust me jhawk, if you ever do find some humility, you might like it too.
 
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Benefit of the doubt? That man has been a part of the organization for decades now. He's basically the same old same old that has frustrated not only Rodgers but countless of other vets that have come through GB
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Brian has Decades of frustrating vets and never changing?
Give us just 10-15 of your “countless” list? Decades would certainly be enough time to formulate a substantial list as there have been well over 1,000 veteran players through Brian’s multi-decade tenure

If you can’t do that? then your post is completely unsubstantiated and your attacking Brian Gutekunst’s personal reputation. Not to mention as an employee and valuable part of our organization. This is totally uncalled for and I demand proof.

I’ll be checking back to research your answers to verify your credibility and I’ll expect dozens of specifics for these claims.
 
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Get one thing clear. Not one person in the bunch of us know or knew the whole story. EVERYTHING is speculation. LetzBreel!
Correct. But there was one side of the argument that remained civil and level headed. Those of your ilk opted for something totally different. And that's something I can't talk myself into having any respect for.

Talk about the issue(s) all you want. But don't assassinate the character of someone based on speculation. Or name call. Or make false accusations. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
 

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The thing is, the Rodgers business is still unsettled. The Packers have him under contract through the 2023 season, yet we are still hearing the rumblings of this being his last season in GB. It's great that the Packers are 5-1, winning heals all wounds, but the Rodgers situation is still sadly a very large elephant in the room.
 

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The thing is, the Rodgers business is still unsettled. The Packers have him under contract through the 2023 season, yet we are still hearing the rumblings of this being his last season in GB. It's great that the Packers are 5-1, winning heals all wounds, but the Rodgers situation is still sadly a very large elephant in the room.
Actually the renegotiated contract makes the 2023 season a void year. If Rodgers wants out after 2022 and the Packers don't trade him before then, he will be an unrestricted free agent prior to the 2023 season. Apologies if I misinterpreted your post.
 

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Actually the renegotiated contract makes the 2023 season a void year. If Rodgers wants out after 2022 and the Packers don't trade him before then, he will be an unrestricted free agent prior to the 2023 season. Apologies if I misinterpreted your post.
Right, which just adds another unknown to the elephant. Do the Packers trade him before next season or risk him walking after the 2022 season. It reminds me of a married couple planning an eventual divorce, both sides maneuvering for the edge, yet all the while still enjoying each other's company.
 

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It cracks me up when someone says a team that has won as many regular season games and division titles plus play-off games as GB has a bad FO.
 

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Correct. But there was one side of the argument that remained civil and level headed. Those of your ilk opted for something totally different. And that's something I can't talk myself into having any respect for.

Talk about the issue(s) all you want. But don't assassinate the character of someone based on speculation. Or name call. Or make false accusations. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
The only difference between your postings and my postings is that I tend to write down what I actually feel at the time. If any professional player of any sport worry that little old nobody's like me have assassinated their character, name called or made false accusations, then they have bigger problems to work out. You tend to sugarcoat some of your postings so that you can feel good about reprimanding me after you are thoroughly offended by my horribly bad posts. The holier than thou attitude is just getting a little tired.
 
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I don't think we've seen the vintage Rodgers yet this season. For all the offensive weaponry at his disposal, we still aren't lighting up any D's till now.

The Packers still lack a true #2 receiver and their tight ends haven't performed up to expectations. Rodgers doesn't have as much talent to throw the ball to compared to early in his career by any means.

i have a feeling that even if he wins another mvp this season and a super bowl ring, there will still be butthurt people that think he is a disgrace because he didn't attend voluntary otas. so i completely discount anything that those folks might say.

Don't forget that Rodgers missed mandatory minicamp as well. He should be run out of town for that :rolleyes:

I don`t doubt that mate. You know I always liked Randy Moss and Richard Sherman but I respect others don`t.

Let me be abundantly clear about it first, of course you're entitled to your own opinion. I find it hard to understand that you list Moss and Sherman among your favorite players of all time considering their legal issues yet despise Rodgers for his character flaws.
 
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