Strength and Conditioning

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thnak you from the bottom of my heart. I never would have realized how foolish we were being unless you'd taken the time to enlighten us.

Please do make an effort to pop back in every day and straighten us out, so we all know how we should make better use of our internet time.

How dare us veering off course a bit! The conversation and thread is about strength and conditioning and stats of injuries was rightfully brought into the discussion. Then 2 idiots like us discuss a movie and real life situation about using stats in Sports, blasphemy! "Get Off My Lawn!"

BTW, thank you for your insights on Moneyball. It probably would have been smart of me to dig deeper on the real details that the movie was "loosely" made from. I did do some minor sniffing around after watching the movie. I wanted to find out what happened in real life to my favorite character, Peter Brand. Not sure if this was the article (below), but it was similar and made me wonder what else was sensationalized. Paul Depodesta wanting them not to use his name in the movie, because of all the liberties they took, should have been a big red flag.

Have you read the book and is that closer to fact? Might be a good read if it is.

What Happened To Moneyball's Paul DePodesta (The Real Peter Brand)

The analytics pioneer still works in pro sports.

screenrant.com

 

[Firethorn1001]

I was just seriously curious about what 47 posts about our strength and conditioning coach would look like. Honestly? It’s about what I thought. Carry on gentlemen.

I'm glad that this thread offers us a break from the other threads on this forum that are curing cancer, laying the groundwork for peace in the middle east, ending world hunger and complaining about Taylor Swift.

 

[AKCheese]

Man you guys arent really guys are you? LOL

 

[lambeaulambo]

I do not have sources or citation for this. I am not a journalist.

I have repeatedly said this is my opinion.

In my opinion, professional sport organizations will hinder or impede a player's contractual incentive(s), if the opportunity shall arise.

This organization is no exception.

The older I get, the more I marvel at organizations that can meld the business aspects with the product on the field and have successful seasons.

I'm not saying this is right, I'm not saying this is wrong, but it does happen.

I am not either although I play one on tv

 

[PikeBadger]

From what I saw, it was everyone that was on a report for the week which is why there were some on the IR, but they played. Packers IR numbers reflect Tenuta and Davis being on the IR since the beginning of the season along with all the other teams. There is no weighting or anything done on the importance of the player, but when looking at just pure games missed and Q/D/O designations I don't think it isn't that important since generally injuries don't care about how important a player is to the overall team. I was more looking at it from a 'Did the Packers really have a significant number of games lost' across the board.

It was bad in the first half of the season.

 

[gopkrs]

Maybe LaFleur thought we could have been stronger on the O line.

 

[PikeBadger]

I do not have sources or citation for this. I am not a journalist.

I have repeatedly said this is my opinion.

In my opinion, professional sport organizations will hinder or impede a player's contractual incentive(s), if the opportunity shall arise.

This organization is no exception.

The older I get, the more I marvel at organizations that can meld the business aspects with the product on the field and have successful seasons.

I'm not saying this is right, I'm not saying this is wrong, but it does happen.

The health and success of any organization ALWAYS starts at the top. There are no exceptions imo. The Packers successes have started at the top of the club's organization.

 

[McKnowledge]

The health and success of any organization ALWAYS starts at the top. There are no exceptions imo. The Packers successes have started at the top of the club's organization.

I agree. Did I make any statements that would disagree?

 

[PikeBadger]

I agree. Did I make any statements that would disagree?

Nope. Just that it is really nothing to marvel about is all. It's just a simple fact of life and always has been imo.

 

[Team Ronny]

Hhopefully this new guy can turn things around. The often injured McCaffrey, has only missed 1 game with the 49ers when this guy was a ssistant S&C coach. Maybe he is bringing a better philosophy and has ideas on how to get Watson and Stokes back on the field.

 

[Poppa San]

ending world hunger

Anecdote I recall reading a few years back. When Elon Musk was delaying buying Twitter, a reporter or activist or some other detractor berated him for spending that much money on a company when for half that he could end world hunger. His response was along the lines of "If you could guarantee no world hunger ever again for that price, I'll cut you a check."

 

[McKnowledge]

Nope. Just that it is really nothing to marvel about is all. It's just a simple fact of life and always has been imo.

I find it fascinating to see successful organizations use different paths to win championships...I'm intrigued by it...the movie Any Given Sunday captured my attention as a youth and it's something I keep tabs on when watching football. A lot of moving parts of "the same machine".

 

[El Guapo]

Thus far in 2024, the Packers health has been extremely good. I don't know if there is any saving Jaire Alexander, but had Christian Watson continued on his same path we would have said the same thing. Knock on wood, but Watson has been healthy this year and so have most of the Packers. We haven't dealt with significant injuries, and when we have, the roster has had the depth to fill the void.

The key will be to see if this remains constant over future seasons, but so far so good:

5 things to know about new Packers strength and conditioning coordinator Aaron Hill

 

[rmontro]

We haven't dealt with significant injuries, and when we have, the roster has had the depth to fill the void.

Most successfully with quarterback, surprisingly enough.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thus far in 2024, the Packers health has been extremely good. I don't know if there is any saving Jaire Alexander, but had Christian Watson continued on his same path we would have said the same thing. Knock on wood, but Watson has been healthy this year and so have most of the Packers. We haven't dealt with significant injuries, and when we have, the roster has had the depth to fill the void.

The health of the team is most definitely a huge factor in the performance of a team and ultimately their success. Tied directly to that is the depth of a team. The Packers have had some key starters go down (Love, Musgrave, Doubs, Jaire, Williams, Walker) at various times of the season, but someone has been able to step up and do their job. A true reflection on just how deep Gute has built this team.

I also view injuries as part strength and conditioning, but in many cases, just a lot of luck (bad or good). Love's 2 injuries could have been a lot worse or maybe never even happened. The Packers have had good fortune with injuries this year, teams like the 49'ers and Rams, not so much.

Now lets stay healthy for the final 9 games of the season!

 

[tynimiller]

I also view injuries as part strength and conditioning, but in many cases, just a lot of luck (bad or good). Love's 2 injuries could have been a lot worse or maybe never even happened. The Packers have had good fortune with injuries this year, teams like the 49'ers and Rams, not so much.

Amen....many people forget we are talking typically about 200 plus pound freak athletic specimens literally trying to win a fight with each other each snap, going full speed and slamming into each other....injuries are a LOT of luck.

 

[OldSchool101]

Amen....many people forget we are talking typically about 200 plus pound freak athletic specimens literally trying to win a fight with each other each snap, going full speed and slamming into each other....injuries are a LOT of luck.

Yes. Heck sometimes players get hurt running into their own teammate or each other. Sometimes they get hurt falling down. We’ve even seem players getting hurt without contact whatsoever (see Aaron Jones TD Run 2023). Then there’s field conditions that cause injury. Garett hitting you over the head with a helmet or a player throwing their helmet at your face in the sideline!
…. This list is bigger than Santa’s naughty list!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Amen....many people forget we are talking typically about 200 plus pound freak athletic specimens literally trying to win a fight with each other each snap, going full speed and slamming into each other....injuries are a LOT of luck.

Other side notes with injuries:

1. I think many players and probably coaches as well, have decided that it's better for their careers, to sit out with an injury. 50 years ago it was "tape it up and go". CTE and how concussions are dealt with, has changed the game (for the better) as well.

2. I have said this many times in the past. As athletes have become more and more "physical freaks" of nature, with more muscle, speed, etc. I think the ability for their bodies to break down (get injured)increases. Not to mention those collisions between stronger faster bodies are probably a lot harder to absorb in todays game, even with better equipment.


I don't keep track of how other teams treat their injured, but the Packers seem to be more on the conservative side with injuries. Players aren't necessarily rushed back onto the field too quickly. Helps when you have depth. Also, not really a bad approach in the regular season, but in the playoffs, I expect Jaire on the field, even if he isn't at 80%.

 

[OldSchool101]

Helps when you have depth. Also, not really a bad approach in the regular season, but in the playoffs, I expect Jaire on the field, even if he isn't at 80%.

Exactly. At that Playoffs point what’s the big risk? You might be eliminated that week, so the risk of aggravating an injury isn’t any worse than sitting on your couch eliminated from work.

Then it’s 3 games max and you’d get 2 weeks off before a SB. Might as well at least play 50% of the snaps to will your way back into the lineup. I’ll add that it doesn’t hurt a players contract to add to their resume a SB Ring, so those are $money$ games. Literally.

 

[El Guapo]

Let's not forget that players like Jaire have learned that you don't win any gratitude from fans/media if you play injured. They only notice that you aren't playing at 100% and roast you online and on tv. Therefore it makes more sense for players to stay on the bench until they are 100%.

 

[tynimiller]

Let's not forget that players like Jaire have learned that you don't win any gratitude from fans/media if you play injured. They only notice that you aren't playing at 100% and roast you online and on tv. Therefore it makes more sense for players to stay on the bench until they are 100%.

Yup...that man honest to God was insane for trying to go with a torn PCL...A FREAKING TORN PCL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Let's not forget that players like Jaire have learned that you don't win any gratitude from fans/media if you play injured. They only notice that you aren't playing at 100% and roast you online and on tv. Therefore it makes more sense for players to stay on the bench until they are 100%.

Isn't that why us fans get paid so much? To be critical of guys like Jaire?

As far as guys shouldn't play, unless they are at 100%. If you listen to any current or former player talk about injuries, at this point of the season, very few are playing without them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup...that man honest to God was insane for trying to go with a torn PCL...A FREAKING TORN PCL

I have to assume it was a mild PCL injury or he wouldn't have been practicing on it. Some players can work through it and play on a mild PCL injury.

I doubt it was a grade 2 or 3 or he would have probably had surgery and lost for the season. Ezekiel Elliott played with a partially torn PCL most of the 2021 season (sustained in week 4). He still played in every game and went over 1000 yards.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Heck sometimes players get hurt running into their own teammate or each other. Sometimes they get hurt falling down. We’ve even seem players getting hurt without contact whatsoever (see Aaron Jones TD Run 2023). Then there’s field conditions that cause injury.

Don't forget Dre Greenlaw in the Super Bowl last year - all he did was start trotting back out onto the field on a change of possession, and tore his Achilles. He still hasn't played a down since; they're hopeful he'll be back for the Rams game next weekend.

 

[OldSchool101]

Don't forget Dre Greenlaw in the Super Bowl last year - all he did was start trotting back out onto the field on a change of possession, and tore his Achilles. He still hasn't played a down since; they're hopeful he'll be back for the Rams game next weekend.

Hope he gets back! Makes it more competitive.

Speaking of which. Green Bay lately seems to do an above average job of helping players return in a timely fashion post injury.