Should we sign Eric Reid?

[rodell330]

Sadly, easier said than done.

This I know. Waayyyy too many overpaid bums on the defense should consider taking pay cuts.

 

[HardRightEdge]

It wasn't just a brain fart though. It was a brain shart. He didn't even try to make a play on the ball and it cost us a trip to the SB.

There were so many more worse things that happened in the second half of that game.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I know you said "football smart"... but I have seen Clinton Dix speak in person, and smart is not a word I would use to describe him... in fact it has always been the reason that I have been somewhat unsure about him as a player.

Have you heard Burnett speak? It runs along the line of, "Futball been berry berry good to me."

That has nothing to do with football smarts.

Jeff Janis scored a 30 on the Wonderlic. That indicates about 120 IQ, well above average. That's a number typical of a QB or OT, the highest scorers in the NFL. He still doesn't now what he's doing on the football field.

 

[RRyder]

So restructure Matthews and Perry. Neither guy deserves to be making almost 16 mil EACH this year. Sign Reid for 2 yrs

In what universe would Perry accept a pay cut?

 

[Poppa San]

In what universe would Perry accept a pay cut?

The one where the Packers can take a $15m dead cap hit. They just gave him a $4m roster bonus.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

if he's better than what we have then yes! in the Rodgers window closing era that's about all they should be thinking about.

That approach doesn't work because of the salary cap though. Teams have to pick their spots on which positions to improve with veterans.

So restructure Matthews and Perry. Neither guy deserves to be making almost 16 mil EACH this year. Sign Reid for 2 yrs

The Packers might have a chance to restructure Matthews' contract but as long as they aren't ready to release him don't have any leverage in negotiations.

With four years left on his deal there's absolutely no chance Perry is agreeing to restructure his contract.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The one where the Packers can take a $15m dead cap hit. They just gave him a $4m roster bonus.

Yup. There's zero leverage with that dead cap against a 2018 cap number of $10.75 mil. Paying the roster bonus closes the book on that. There will be next to no leverage in 2019 with only $3.6 mil in cap savings if released.

Perry is like Clinton-Dix in that he wasn't as good as many thought in 2016 and not as bad as they think he was in 2017. He missed 4 games and played a few others with a club last season. Edge rushing with one hand is a serious liability.

Sure, the complaint is he's been injury prone. But you cannot do anything about that now with this deal. You're not rolling the dice on his health; you're stuck with it However, if there's one guy who would benefit most from a scheme change that features "aggressivness", as is Pettine's stated plan, it would be Perry. Capers Job #1 for edge rushers is pocket contain. That takes tools out of the edge rusher's tool box. Dipping and ripping and getting ridden behind the pocket or freelancing an inside move and getting stoned gets you a -3 on a scale of +2 to -2 in the world according to Capers. Sacks are coverage sacks or second effort on the QB stepping up in the pocket. That works when the secondary is top drawer and able to implement pre-snap "deception"; it looks pretty ineffective when it isn't. In the process you're not trusting the athleticism you paid for. This is combined with DTs rushing with gap discipline and push rather than looking to beat his man. Since Capers was a high blitz percentage guy, the theory at work here is if everybody maintains a predictable track toward the QB, then there will be predictable gaps for blitzers.

This picture isn't all that unusal in the league; it's pretty much the default pass rush. The thing is Capers operated this way nearly all the time with little variation. The predictability he wanted to use as an asset became a liability as offenses are capable of making their own predictions from years of seeing the same thing on tape over and over. It's a scheme that requires a lot of talent; there's no making of lemonade out of lemons in the world according to Capers.

But I digress.

Perry is capable of dip and rip. We see it about twice per year. If he's liberated to use more moves instead of just bull rush or punch and loop we might see the player he's being paid to be. We can apply the same logic to Matthews. Given their tendency to injury, unfortuanely, a 3rd. is needed as was the case with the seemingly bullet proof, freak-or-nature Peppers who simply never misses games.

Further, if mix-and-match 3-4, 4-3, and hybrid elephant looks are in the cards, Perry provides versatility. He's been rushing standing up for 6 years. He might remember playing with his hand in the dirt as in college, with 4-3 DE looking like his natural position when the Packers drafted him to something else.

 

[Dantés]

This I know. Waayyyy too many overpaid bums on the defense should consider taking pay cuts.

Who are all of the overpaid bums? By “Waayyyy too many” you basically mean Matthews and Perry right?

 

[gbgary]

That approach doesn't work because of the salary cap though. Teams have to pick their spots on which positions to improve with veterans.

of course. since they're keeping Rodgers they need figure out a way to make it work for a stud player sometime. what's he got...3-4 years left? if they can't, or won't, because of the cap (his crazy contract), they might as well trade him now. 10-6, 9-7, with him will be a lot more frustrating than 8-8 without him but with a lot more cap room for the future.

 

[rodell330]

Who are all of the overpaid bums? By “Waayyyy too many” you basically mean Matthews and Perry right?

Lol every SINGLE guy on the defense is overpaid haha. That’s what I mean

 

[thequick12]

YES. Reid is better than both HCD and Jones so yes. If anything they can use Jones like they did Burnett last season and Insert Reid at FS and slide HCD over to strong safety.

Yeah that would be a much better option then relying on kentrell Brice as the 3rd safety. But that also depends on if pettine plans on using Jones as a nickel linebacker

 

[hallzi43]

Reid would actually be our Strong Safety playing closer to the box where he actually excelled with the 49ers. HHCD is more of a ball hawk FS so bringing him closer to the line wouldn't be advantageous.

 

[thequick12]

Reid would actually be our Strong Safety playing closer to the box where he actually excelled with the 49ers. HHCD is more of a ball hawk FS so bringing him closer to the line wouldn't be advantageous.

You've got that exactly backwards

 

[hallzi43]

You've got that exactly backwards

no i really dont.

 

[BrokenArrow]

yes to reid. He would be cheap and a great player. But we didnt even begin negotiations with Burnett so it looks as though Jones is our guy whether you like it or not.

How do you know this?

 

[BrokenArrow]

no i really dont.

If he was a ball hawk we would have been playing in the SB 3 years ago.

 

[BrokenArrow]

There were so many more worse things that happened in the second half of that game.

Disagree. There were several things individually which added up to a loss. But he was in position to make a play on the ball. He didn't try to contest the catch. He didn't try to break it up before Wilson was able to get it under control. Nothing. He just literally gave up and watched Luke Wilson catch that damn ball from 3' away.

 

[hallzi43]

How do you know this?

Because if we actually wanted Burnett back we could have easily matched the offer he got. Its pretty low.

They seem to like Jones for Pettines scheme. And Jones actually thrived when closer to the box last season which means we probably arent in the hunt for an Eric Reid either.

 

[hallzi43]

If he was a ball hawk we would have been playing in the SB 2 years ago.

HaHa Clinton Dix is a FS. Not even sure how this is an argument. Whether or not he has made a ton of big plays certainly debatable. Especially last season.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Because if we actually wanted Burnett back we could have easily matched the offer he got. Its pretty low.

They seem to like Jones for Pettines scheme. And Jones actually thrived when closer to the box last season which means we probably arent in the hunt for an Eric Reid either.

But that doesn't mean we didn't even being negotiations with him. It simply means he was worth more to the Steelers than he was to the Packers.

 

[hallzi43]

But that doesn't mean we didn't even being negotiations with him. It simply means he was worth more to the Steelers than he was to the Packers.

We let him walk for next to nothing. Whether there was negotiation really doesnt matter all that much.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Disagree. There were several things individually which added up to a loss. But he was in position to make a play on the ball. He didn't try to contest the catch. He didn't try to break it up before Wilson was able to get it under control. Nothing. He just literally gave up and watched Luke Wilson catch that damn ball from 3' away.

If you are talking about the overtime touchdown throw in the NFCCG against the Seahawks, you have a couple of things wrong....the throw was to Kearse and Williams had him very well covered, was just a great throw and catch. Watch it again to verify it. But I know....saying he just watched it from 3' aways makes your story sound good.

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[hallzi43]

lol ya near perfect coverage. Was a perfect throw and catch.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Disagree. There were several things individually which added up to a loss. But he was in position to make a play on the ball. He didn't try to contest the catch. He didn't try to break it up before Wilson was able to get it under control. Nothing. He just literally gave up and watched Luke Wilson catch that damn ball from 3' away.

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He was caught flat footed, maybe he had his eyes elsewhere at the moment the ball was released, he was late to react. Certainly a bad play, but not what you described.

I suppose you might see it as a situation where if he had batted the ball down then the Packers still march down the field, still kick the FG, and win. That's entirely unpredictable not knowing how Seattle's defense would have played protecting only a 1 point lead.

In that second half and OT, we saw from Seattle a fake kick going for a TD on faulty coaching (Carrol said he identified this opportunity on tape), an onside kick recovered on a muff where the assignment was for the Packer player to block not recover, and 3 TDs covering over 200 yards in the last 7 minutes of the game, while in the midst of this collapse Matthews was trying to lead a celebration on the sidelines.

It was a collective collapse with more memorable moments than the C-D brain fart. Singling out one gaffe over another is pointless in an overwhelming team "effort".

Slocum got fired. Capers should have been right behind him heading out the door in keeping with collective failure.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nickel corners are the primary options to cover slot receivers, not strong safeties.

Talk about going out on a limb! I just want to thank you! for sharing I feel much better lol