Should The NFL Suspend Anthony Barr For The Play?

[Mondio]

Just a simple question here but why is it acceptable for our guys to make questionable hits, but when it happens to us, we want the player hung,drawn and quartered ?

only one person asked for that, and we all agreed he's off his meds.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

only one person asked for that, and we all agreed he's off his meds.

My point is, a few seasons ago Clay Mathews put a hit on Kaepernick which nearly took his bloody head off AND was clearly over the line and some people were saying it was what was expected from a great defender. This hit was unfortunate for us, but we`ll never KNOW the guys intention was to seriously hurt Rodgers. We can only assume.
**** happens !

 

[Mijapi]

My point is, a few seasons ago Clay Mathews put a hit on Kaepernick which nearly took his bloody head off AND was clearly over the line and some people were saying it was what was expected from a great defender. This hit was unfortunate for us, but we`ll never KNOW the guys intention was to seriously hurt Rodgers. We can only assume.
**** happens !

If you’re talking about the horse collar tackle out of bounds on Kap, that was an extremely dirty play. I can’t remember if he got suspended or not, but he should have. And that was my thought watching it live. It was legitimately one of those moments where I was cursing at my television asking Matthews why he made such a stupid decision. That’s also not comparable to this situation anyways - Clay’s hit was illegal, no question. Barr’s hit was legal.

It is the rule that needs to either change or be enforced more strictly. I don’t think Barr should be disciplined in any manner for the hit, because it would be ridiculous to punish a player for playing within the current rules. But he had plenty of time between the release of the ball and the point of contact. There are two possibilities - he was malicious in his intent, or his awareness is that bad that he didn’t realize the ball was gone two steps back. Just making a wild assumption that a player with that poor of awareness wouldn’t be on a starting roster, there’s no option left. He wanted to lay a hurting on Rodgers when the rules gave him the opportunity to. He probably wasn’t trying to cause serious or permanent damage. But to say his intent was anything other than hurting Rodgers is naive in my mind.

 

[Mondio]

My point is, a few seasons ago Clay Mathews put a hit on Kaepernick which nearly took his bloody head off AND was clearly over the line and some people were saying it was what was expected from a great defender. This hit was unfortunate for us, but we`ll never KNOW the guys intention was to seriously hurt Rodgers. We can only assume.
**** happens !

that was a cheap late hit. and he was flagged for it. I never thought Barr's intention was to break his collar bone, but he wanted him to feel it and he could have just let his momentum carry him to his right side like it was or let go of his wrap and just make the contact. he didn't, because he had other intentions despite knowing the ball was gone already and he wasn't tackling any ball carrier.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

If you’re talking about the horse collar tackle out of bounds on Kap, that was an extremely dirty play. I can’t remember if he got suspended or not, but he should have. And that was my thought watching it live. It was legitimately one of those moments where I was cursing at my television asking Matthews why he made such a stupid decision. That’s also not comparable to this situation anyways - Clay’s hit was illegal, no question. Barr’s hit was legal.

It is the rule that needs to either change or be enforced more strictly. I don’t think Barr should be disciplined in any manner for the hit, because it would be ridiculous to punish a player for playing within the current rules. But he had plenty of time between the release of the ball and the point of contact. There are two possibilities - he was malicious in his intent, or his awareness is that bad that he didn’t realize the ball was gone two steps back. Just making a wild assumption that a player with that poor of awareness wouldn’t be on a starting roster, there’s no option left. He wanted to lay a hurting on Rodgers when the rules gave him the opportunity to. He probably wasn’t trying to cause serious or permanent damage. But to say his intent was anything other than hurting Rodgers is naive in my mind.

I never said he did not intend to hurt Rodgers, I said nobody can say he intended to break his collarbone. And believe me some on here tried to defend Mathews at the time.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

that was a cheap late hit. and he was flagged for it. I never thought Barr's intention was to break his collar bone, but he wanted him to feel it and he could have just let his momentum carry him to his right side like it was or let go of his wrap and just make the contact. he didn't, because he had other intentions despite knowing the ball was gone already and he wasn't tackling any ball carrier.

Yes, we agree....but some on here are saying Barr`s set out to do Rodgers a serious injury. I just get tired of the "It`s okay if it`s one of ours" mentality

 

[PackAttack12]

But nothing changes anything. We still don't have Rodgers.

That's the main point.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Just a simple question here but why is it acceptable for our guys to make questionable hits, but when it happens to us, we want the player hung,drawn and quartered ?

You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we wanted our guy let off the hook other than that silly penalty thrown on Blake Martinez who just accidentally happened to collide with Bryant in the end zone.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

My point is, a few seasons ago Clay Mathews put a hit on Kaepernick which nearly took his bloody head off AND was clearly over the line and some people were saying it was what was expected from a great defender. This hit was unfortunate for us, but we`ll never KNOW the guys intention was to seriously hurt Rodgers. We can only assume.
**** happens !

Oh OK I see what this is. I remember he hit Kaep out of bounds late though I'd have to see the replay again to see what he was intending. I remember thinking it was foolish to hit him late cuz third down we needed to get off that field.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we wanted our guy let off the hook other than that silly penalty thrown on Blake Martinez who just accidentally happened to collide with Bryant in the end zone.

Some fans were nearly giving Mathews the keys to the city for that hit on Kapernick.

 

[swhitset]

Some fans were nearly giving Mathews the keys to the city for that hit on Kapernick.

You can find some people in any fan base that will support almost anything..... I don't think that that is necessarily the norm though. Digging up plays by Clay Mathews does nothing to change how I do or don't feel about what Barr did. If you want to dissect each one.... Fine ... I didn't like the hit on Kappernick when it happened. The play on Palmer is not comparable. Mathews barely had a step left as Palmer released the ball. I have no problem with aggressive play (like the hit on Palmer) but the defender needs to know when to let up. I believe Barr could easily have done so in this case.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

You can find some people in any fan base that will support almost anything..... I don't think that that is necessarily the norm though. Digging up plays by Clay Mathews does nothing to change how I do or don't feel about what Barr did. If you want to dissect each one.... Fine ... I didn't like the hit on Kappernick when it happened. The play on Palmer is not comparable. Mathews barely had a step left as Palmer released the ball. I have no problem with aggressive play (like the hit on Palmer) but the defender needs to know when to let up. I believe Barr could easily have done so in this case.

Well that`s fine and I respect your opinion. We`ll just have to agree to disagree on this occasion.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Some fans were nearly giving Mathews the keys to the city for that hit on Kapernick.

Well, wanting to do that is dumb considering hitting him out of bounds gave em an automatic first down when we couldn't afford it. As to whether or not he had ill intentions ... like I said I would have to see a replay of that again. If he did, that's bad too. I didn't like when Kolb got concussed from him, but I believe that was a sack and he was bringing him down from behind so not quite the same there.

 

[swhitset]

Well that`s fine and I respect your opinion. We`ll just have to agree to disagree on this occasion.

Lol ... I'm not sure what we actually disagree on. Your statements have all been based on how certain people feel about Mathews' hits on opponents... I'm not sure there is a point to disagree or agree there.... I'm also not sure it's relevant to the Barr hit.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Lol ... I'm not sure what we actually disagree on. Your statements have all been based on how certain people feel about Mathews' hits on opponents... I'm not sure there is a point to disagree or agree there.... I'm also not sure it's relevant to the Barr hit.

My point is I get the distinct feeling that a hard hit on one of ours causes

Lol ... I'm not sure what we actually disagree on. Your statements have all been based on how certain people feel about Mathews' hits on opponents... I'm not sure there is a point to disagree or agree there.... I'm also not sure it's relevant to the Barr hit.

I guess we`re done here then. I think there is a whole lot of people think it was a dirty hit. I don`t.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Well, wanting to do that is dumb considering hitting him out of bounds gave em an automatic first down when we couldn't afford it. As to whether or not he had ill intentions ... like I said I would have to see a replay of that again. If he did, that's bad too. I didn't like when Kolb got concussed from him, but I believe that was a sack and he was bringing him down from behind so not quite the same there.

Well try as I might, I cannot see Barr`s hit as anything but hard, not dirty. So we must disagree on that point, but I respect the fact that you saw it different.

 

[Ceodore]

thought the hit was a little, but not excessively late. I had more of a problem with how he drove him into the ground, he knew full well the ball was long gone and did nothing to ease up on the hit. That was the dirty aspect to me.

 

[Mijapi]

Well try as I might, I cannot see Barr`s hit as anything but hard, not dirty. So we must disagree on that point, but I respect the fact that you saw it different.

What, in your mind, excuses a player’s decision to follow through 100% on a hit in that manner on a player that does not have possession of the football? I think that’s where the disconnect is.

 

[longtimefan]

I added a selection to the poll.. It was way to biased

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

What, in your mind, excuses a player’s decision to follow through 100% on a hit in that manner on a player that does not have possession of the football? I think that’s where the disconnect is.

I respect your opinion, I see it differently is all.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I added a selection to the poll.. It was way to biased

Thank you.

 

[Mijapi]

I respect your opinion, I see it differently is all.

I’m not sure if I even understand what your opinion is? It could have even been deemed illegal if you drill into the rulebook about driving a player to the ground. And an illegal hit is pretty much by definition a dirty hit.

But legality questions aside, it was a hit with more than enough time to understand and decide what he was doing. The ball was long gone, with enough time to decide whether to knock him down or try to hurt him. Barr tried to hurt him. More than likely trying to knock him out of that drive or just that game, not the season. Nonetheless there was no intent to make a football play. Only intent to make a play on a defenseless player quick enough that the rules kind of allow it.

Basically, I’m questioning whether you think that’s ethical play, or if you just miss the 80s and 90s. If that hit is how the game should be played nowadays, then targeting and bounties should still be allowed and encouraged, and the Packers should be looking for retribution in their next meeting.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I’m not sure if I even understand what your opinion is? It could have even been deemed illegal if you drill into the rulebook about driving a player to the ground. And an illegal hit is pretty much by definition a dirty hit.

But legality questions aside, it was a hit with more than enough time to understand and decide what he was doing. The ball was long gone, with enough time to decide whether to knock him down or try to hurt him. Barr tried to hurt him. More than likely trying to knock him out of that drive or just that game, not the season. Nonetheless there was no intent to make a football play. Only intent to make a play on a defenseless player quick enough that the rules kind of allow it.

Basically, I’m questioning whether you think that’s ethical play, or if you just miss the 80s and 90s. If that hit is how the game should be played nowadays, then targeting and bounties should still be allowed and encouraged, and the Packers should be looking for retribution in their next meeting.

Get off your high horse ffs !! I saw the hit as hard and marginally legal. I`m getting sick of the implication that he deliberately tried to end Rodgers season. The end and welcome to the forum.

 

[Mijapi]

Get off your high horse ffs !! I saw the hit as hard and marginally legal. I`m getting sick of the implication that he deliberately tried to end Rodgers season. The end and welcome to the forum.

I’ve said multiple times I doubt he tried to cause any significant injury. But I also think it’s naive to think he didn’t intend to cause harm at all. And there’s a fine line behind “trying to knock him out of a play or single game” and “trying to end his season”. It’s very hard to do the first without significant risk of the second. And I don’t think there is any question that Barr’s intent was to lay the hurt on Rodgers.

That coupled with how much time he had to decide not to drive Rodgers into the ground and shift his weight to land on top of him makes it a dirty play. Is it the dirtiest of plays? God no. Not even close. But there was nothing clean about it, either. Nobody has a problem with him hitting Rodgers on that play. What made it dirty was the fact and manner in which he followed through with it. You can hit a guy hard without trying to hurt them, and Barr chose not to take that route.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I’ve said multiple times I doubt he tried to cause any significant injury. But I also think it’s naive to think he didn’t intend to cause harm at all. And there’s a fine line behind “trying to knock him out of a play or single game” and “trying to end his season”. It’s very hard to do the first without significant risk of the second. And I don’t think there is any question that Barr’s intent was to lay the hurt on Rodgers.

That coupled with how much time he had to decide not to drive Rodgers into the ground and shift his weight to land on top of him makes it a dirty play. Is it the dirtiest of plays? God no. Not even close. But there was nothing clean about it, either. Nobody has a problem with him hitting Rodgers on that play. What made it dirty was the fact and manner in which he followed through with it. You can hit a guy hard without trying to hurt them, and Barr chose not to take that route.

And as I said, I respect your opinion of the situation, but I view it slightly differently, AND I believe I was polite about too. The poll seems to indicate that some saw it the same way I did too.