Should The NFL Suspend Anthony Barr For The Play?

[longtimefan]

How do y'all know he wanted to hurt AR though?

Can y'all read his mind?
Did he go helmet to helmet? No


Is it because he's black ?

Next time we see you mention a color, you may not like the outcome..

You been warned 2 times this year in same thing..

 

[longtimefan]

How is that racist?

Serious question

You mentioned barr was black and Chad is white..

Stop playing ignorant

 

[kevans74]

My thing is...

Why do people insist that Barr was INTENTIONALLY trying to hurt AR, and ILLEGALY at that???

This isn't OBVIOUS like Trevathan or Suh with the calf...

Barr seemed to just want to hit/tackle a quarterback which he gets PAID to do as his JOB!

Why do people want to automatically assume that it was malicious and trying to "intentionally hurt" AR? It was bad luck AR got hurt for sure, and sure he could have pushed/shoved him.. .but that's all hindsight is 20/20 BS

 

[longtimefan]

I seen only one really upset and wants barr suspended...

Not sure who else is saying it

 

[kevans74]

I've seen a lot of people claiming it was intentional

 

[longtimefan]

It may have been... It's their opinion

 

[kevans74]

It may have been... It's their opinion

So when I've defended Barr for DOING HIS JOB, even though I've publicly admitted I hate the Vikings the most of our rivals, even as far as to say I've trolled Vikings fans in the Twin Cities(lol)

I get called a racist? lol ok

 

[longtimefan]

So when I've defended Barr for DOING HIS JOB, even though I've publicly admitted I hate the Vikings the most of our rivals, even as far as to say I've trolled Vikings fans in the Twin Cities(lol)

I get called a racist? lol ok

No.. You bring up his color...

You know what your doing.. Don't mention his race and all is fine

 

[Raptorman]

Why do people keep saying he was intentionally trying to hurt AR though? I don't see that reasoning ...

Because that's the only possible way they see it. Because Rodgers never facts a pass, watches the defensive player pull up and then continues to run. Because if Rodgers gets hurt, it had to be intentional.

 

[Mondio]

Because that's the only possible way they see it. Because Rodgers never facts a pass, watches the defensive player pull up and then continues to run. Because if Rodgers gets hurt, it had to be intentional.

His momentum was taking him to his right shoulder and he changed that in the air to drive his left shoulder right into him. You disagree? You really can't see the difference in the Clay hit and the Barr hit? He took 3 full steps one with Rodgers in his full grasp before leaving his feet to drive all of his weight into him after he knew the ball was gone. The only way he thought he was just making a play was if he is brain dead. Lol

 

[BrokenArrow]

Watch the video and tell me how or what Barr could have done differently.
I see him leaning in and running forward while Rodgers is still holding onto the ball and then hits him just after the ball is thrown.
I just don't see how he could have stopped or changed direction when he is already in position to hit Rodgers who is still holding onto the ball.

Simple. Pause it at the 0:21 mark. Barr is coming from the front left. He had time to see that the ball was clearly gone. At that point he had not yet lowered his head to make a full tackle. The collision was going to happen, but could have simply wrapped him up and then held him up, or he could have turned his body a little and hit him with a glancing blow. Guys do that all the time in the exact same situation. But instead he lowered his head and shoulders and went with a full force tackle by choice, not because he somehow had no choice. His momentum didn't cause him to wrap him up and drive him to the ground. That was a conscious decision. I never said he deserved any kind of fine or suspension. But the rules states that it is the defender's responsibility to recognize when the ball has been thrown and he is given ONE step. Barr took two before contact. The fact is it was a borderline play. We've all seen a penalty called multiple times on such a play and we've seen non-calls too. 20 years ago it never would have been called. But in the hyper-safety-consciousness of the Goodell Football League, it is called more often than not. In fact, he was looking at the ref as he was getting up, fully expecting to get a penalty.

 

[BrokenArrow]

how about this.

You go put on some full football padding and then run FULL SPEED at a tackling dummy or something in grass with cleats on and see if you can "let up" or "stop" on a dime within "2 steps" of hitting it and go record it and see if you can do that and post it on here, ok?

I'm not a professional athlete, but Barr is. BTW, guys are able let up on those plays all the time. There's no reason Barr couldn't have done it as well. And nobody said anything about stopping on a dime. They are talking about the decision to wrap up and launch into him.

 

[Forget Favre]

Simple. Pause it at the 0:21 mark. Barr is coming from the front left. He had time to see that the ball was clearly gone. At that point he had not yet lowered his head to make a full tackle. The collision was going to happen, but could have simply wrapped him up and then held him up, or he could have turned his body a little and hit him with a glancing blow. Guys do that all the time in the exact same situation. But instead he lowered his head and shoulders and went with a full force tackle by choice, not because he somehow had no choice. His momentum didn't cause him to wrap him up and drive him to the ground. That was a conscious decision. I never said he deserved any kind of fine or suspension. But the rules states that it is the defender's responsibility to recognize when the ball has been thrown and he is given ONE step. Barr took two before contact. The fact is it was a borderline play. We've all seen a penalty called multiple times on such a play and we've seen non-calls too. 20 years ago it never would have been called. But in the hyper-safety-consciousness of the Goodell Football League, it is called more often than not. In fact, he was looking at the ref as he was getting up, fully expecting to get a penalty.

I f'ing hate the Vikings and I don't really want to get into debating this because the last thing I want to do is defend their player who took out my QB for the season.
So we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

The one and only one who really knows with 100% and no doubt certainty is Barr himself.
And if he was doing things intentional, he won't say.
In the meantime, all we can do is guess, speculate, debate and share opinions on what we just THINK happened without really KNOWING what happened.

 

[Forderick]

Should he be suspended? Absolutely not.

Did he go into the hit with intentions to hurt him? Of course. they are playing football. But He didn't go into that hit trying to injure him.

We have become so sensitive and a hard hit on a QB is somehow suspension/fine worthy today. They are playing football right?

This situation sucks, but it will be interesting to see how good this team really is moving forward.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I f'ing hate the Vikings and I don't really want to get into debating this because the last thing I want to do is defend their player who took out my QB for the season.
So we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

The one and only one who really knows with 100% and no doubt certainty is Barr himself.
And if he was doing things intentional, he won't say.
In the meantime, all we can do is guess, speculate, debate and share opinions on what we just THINK happened without really KNOWING what happened.

Well, a lot of actual professional football players who are far more experienced on the matter believe it could have been avoided, particularly driving him into the ground. I'll side with their expert opinions.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

and how do you feel about this hit? https://scout.com/tu/MjI1MTQ2MXRpbnkyNDc=

You`re not allowed to bring that up

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I bet if AR didn't get hurt, no one would even argue that that was a PERFECTLY LEGAL hit. There was nothing wrong with it. You can't expect some huge professional athlete who gets paid to play at FULL SPEED to just slow down or "stop" all of a sudden and push or "let up" on the best player in the NFL, that's just retarded

Barr's hit was borderline but definitely not perfectly legal. He might have had a hard time avoiding contact with Rodgers but there was no reason to drive him to the ground while landing on #12 with his full weight.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The idea that we are going to make it impossible to hit the quarterback is horrible. If they do this then they need to add a 2 hand touch rule to the quarterback or say the quarterback cannot leave the pocket. With AR there is a 50/50 chance there that he doesn't throw it. If Bar let's up AR runs for a first down.

I'm in no way advocating for Barr to get suspended as in my opinion as mentioned before it was a borderline legal hit. He was well aware that the ball was out of Rodgers' hand once he made contact with Rodgers, therefore there was no reason to be worried about #12 running for a first down.

 

[XPack]

Couldn't have stopped the hit - Agreed
Couldn't have stopped the tackle - bulls**t

Smart play from Barr to have kept it technically legal. But no one is getting fooled. Tbh, I wouldn't have complained if Clay hit someone in a similar fashion.

Call it what it is, put it down to legal hit, blame it on bad luck and let's move on.

 

[PackAttack12]

I wasn't overly upset with the hit, even though there were certainly parts of it I didn't like, but I absolutely believe that he could have let up. He didn't have to wrap Rodgers up and intentionally pile drive him to the turf. You see players let up all the time when chasing after a punter. They stop on a dime all of the time to avoid contact with the kicker. You see it all the time with defenders rushing a passer that's inside the pocket.

He could have absolutely let up. And if for some reason his momentum was too much to halt, don't tell me he didn't have an alternative way of hitting Rodgers without doing what he did.

Like I said, by the letter of the law, it's a boarder line hit, which is why I'm not overly irate, but he had alternatives.

 

[El Guapo]

Barr's hit was borderline but definitely not perfectly legal. He might have had a hard time avoiding contact with Rodgers but there was no reason to drive him to the ground while landing on #12 with his full weight.

Here is the relevant text from the NFL:
2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

 

[thequick12]

I know he did it on purpose cuz Rodgers publicly said so. When he was cussing on the sidelines he was calling Barr out for what he did. That was a late hit and Barr came at him from that angle because he knew that was how to try and dislocate a shoulder.

I say it's time for Fraudger Goodell to put some big boy pants on and actually do his job. If he doesn't, that bountygate thing will have been the biggest hoax in NFL history because not a single player got hurt in it.

No way he deserves a suspension for that. Danny t. Got suspended cuz he hit Adams in the head with his helmet. Barr maybe should have been penalized because I believe there is a rule about driving the qb into the ground but suspended no. Ok just read so guapos post of the rule and yes he defiantly should have drawn a personal foul not for a late hit but for unessicarily driving the qb into the ground. So i expect him to be fined for sure but not suspended. And he better be fined more that the 18k Adams was for throwing the ball after his game winning td in dallas

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Here is the relevant text from the NFL:
2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

I read that part of the rule book earlier. In my opinion it doesn't automatically serve as evidence of the hit being illegal though.

 

[Mondio]

Here is the relevant text from the NFL:
2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

I think people just keep skipping past that? he momentum was going to take him to his right side and he adjusted so the full weight would be transferred thru his left shoulder into Rodgers completely. Had his momentum taken him to their sides and this happened, nobody would be saying anything. It was the last part that made it what it was. I think he gets fined. But nothing changes anything. We still don't have Rodgers.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Just a simple question here but why is it acceptable for our guys to make questionable hits, but when it happens to us, we want the player hung,drawn and quartered ?