Should Green Bay Packers retire Paul Hornungs No.5 jersey ?

[ivo610]

Are you saying it WASN'T unreal??

Greatest qb of all time and greatest rb of all time would have been even more unreal

 

[El Guapo]

One could argue that great players are also the product of the right city, the right place, and right time. Maybe Hornung would have been the GOAT in Cleveland while Jim Brown would have struggled in Green Bay. I doubt it but one can't be too sure.

 

[Ed DeCosmo]

http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/Should-Green-Bay-Packers-retire-Paul-Hornungs-No-5-jersey-45940158

Absolutely. It should have been retired long ago. Apparently forgotten - or unknown by recent generations - is that Hornung was also the place kicker and that when the Packers got in the red zone it was Hornung country. Taylor was great. Starr was the best. But from the 10 yard line to the goal, Hornung was unstoppable. He has an amazing knack of reaching the goal line that few players have ever had in the history of the sport.

 

[Packers907]

Idk so much about Hornung's jersey, the number 1 jersey hasn't been worn in respect to Curly Lambeau. I believe the punter Mortell is the first player since Lambeau to wear #1. We should keep that alive moreso than Hornung.

 

[Pkrjones]

Absolutely. It should have been retired long ago. Apparently forgotten - or unknown by recent generations - is that Hornung was also the place kicker and that when the Packers got in the red zone it was Hornung country. Taylor was great. Starr was the best. But from the 10 yard line to the goal, Hornung was unstoppable. He has an amazing knack of reaching the goal line that few players have ever had in the history of the sport.

From the link in post #3...
"We do know it was Jim Taylor gaining most of the yards for the Packers, and it was even Taylor scoring more of the touchdowns. Hornung rushed for 50 touchdowns, an average of one every 17.9 carries. With the Packers, Taylor rushed for 81 touchdowns, an average of one every 22.4 carries.

In his career, Taylor scored 62 touchdowns from one-to-nine yards. Hornung had 42 touchdowns from that distance (includes two receiving scores). Taylor had 76 touchdowns inside the red zone, compared to Hornung’s 51."
Hornung country?

 

[Mondio]

Un-retire all the numbers and let's see some new kids turn them into different legends. They're just numbers

 

[El Guapo]

From the link in post #3...
"We do know it was Jim Taylor gaining most of the yards for the Packers, and it was even Taylor scoring more of the touchdowns. Hornung rushed for 50 touchdowns, an average of one every 17.9 carries. With the Packers, Taylor rushed for 81 touchdowns, an average of one every 22.4 carries.

In his career, Taylor scored 62 touchdowns from one-to-nine yards. Hornung had 42 touchdowns from that distance (includes two receiving scores). Taylor had 76 touchdowns inside the red zone, compared to Hornung’s 51."
Hornung country?

I couldn't argue one way or the other, but to truly use those statistics one needs to know how many attempts were made by each back. Jimmy might have had many more opportunities.

 

[Robert Mason]

Idk so much about Hornung's jersey, the number 1 jersey hasn't been worn in respect to Curly Lambeau. I believe the punter Mortell is the first player since Lambeau to wear #1. We should keep that alive moreso than Hornung.

What punter Mortell ?

 

[Robert Mason]

Are there any photos of Lambeau with a number 1 jersey ? If he did wear it he is probably the only Packer player to wear it.

 

[Pkrjones]

I couldn't argue one way or the other, but to truly use those statistics one needs to know how many attempts were made by each back. Jimmy might have had many more opportunities.

I don't have the redzone touches, but it's immaterial. IF Taylor got more carries inside the 20 wouldn't that make it "Taylor Country", then instead of post #28 "Hornung country"? Both played for GB for 9 years, and Taylor's numbers (yards, touches, touchdowns) eclipse Hornung's.

 

[VersusTheMoose]

After reading a few articles (some of which linked from this thread), I think his place is in the Packers HoF, but his number should not be retired. Seems like he was lucky enough to play on some amazing teams (throughout his college and professional career) and his personality in part elevated him to the status many remember him as.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

What punter Mortell ?

The Packers signed Peter Mortell, an undrafted rookie who grew up in Green Bay, to compete with Masthay this offseason.

 

[Robert Mason]

The Packers signed Peter Mortell, an undrafted rookie who grew up in Green Bay, to compete with Masthay this offseason.

Thanks........Even if he makes the team I doubt he would retain the #1 jersey.

 

[El Guapo]

I don't have the redzone touches, but it's immaterial. IF Taylor got more carries inside the 20 wouldn't that make it "Taylor Country", then instead of post #28 "Hornung country"? Both played for GB for 9 years, and Taylor's numbers (yards, touches, touchdowns) eclipse Hornung's.

In his post, Ed DeCosmo described "Hornung Country" as such: "Hornung was unstoppable. He has an amazing knack of reaching the goal line that few players have ever had in the history of the sport." To me that's describing efficiency and not just number of TDs.

 

[Half Empty]

Since parameters and definitions are important, how about finding out what DeCosmo meant?

 

[gopkrs]

My guess would be Taylor (a great fullback) had many more opportunities than Hornung and that is why Hornung was said to have a nose for the endzone. So Paul Hornung had the advantage of the other teams looking for Jim Taylor but Taylor had the advantage of having an excellent blocker (Hornung) in front of him. Also, other teams were always aware the the x QB might throw it and Hurnung faked that quite often.