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What I’m seeing is Rodgers has less than ideal time to throw. He taking pressure in his face and having to compensate by running plays that get the ball out fast. While he didn’t take Sacks, the pressure lowered his per attempt to a career low 6.6 per

Rodgers didn’t run much for obvious reasons. His 22 attempts are a career low. Although his average per run is normal. 10-15 seasons ago Rodgers silently punished teams running. He ranks Top 10 in NFL history QB rushing yards.

Aaron has 10 games without an INT. He’s taking care of the ball really well. Especially considering leaning sensitive on mobility.

Rodgers Stats as a whole are most similar to 2010 where he went
28 TD 11 INT 3,922. Although his QB rating is slightly lower due to drop in per efficiency and no mobility (0 rushing TD)

Pacing in 2024 Rodgers is
27 TD 9 INT 3,912
His QB rating is slightly lower but he’s earned every penny of his $37.5M imo.

My General 45 minute evaluation says Aaron Rodgers isn’t the problem. At least statistically. I’m not getting into speculation on his impact in other areas because it’s not quantifiable.

What’s NOT Rodgers fault is this.
1. The Jets don’t have a Running game
#32 in attempts #31 in per carry.

2. The Jets OL is not good at all

3. The Jets Defense is in that Top 8-12 area in totality. Not good enough to compensate for a poor graded OL or poor Run grade.
Aside from the numbers - current and historical - Rodgers never struck me as much of a leader. In the first 10-12 years of his playing career, it was clear he had the talent to win a lot of games and carry a team - and his 4 MVPs are proof. But he didn't have the charisma of a guy like Mahomes. IMO Mahomes inspires the guys around him with his play and his willingness to play hurt when everything is on the line. Josh Allen has "it", Tua T, maybe Jalen Hurts and I'm sure I'm missing others.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers was a phenomenal QB who could (almost) win any game he set his mind to win. He has always lacked that intangible quality most great leaders have - I don't even know the word for it - but a guy who inspires other people to play their best.

I'm not a Rodgers hater. As a Packer fan that would be impossible. He's just a strange cat who dances to music no one else can hear. At times that isolates him from his teammates, fans, and the press. It's his life and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, he's free to live it as he wants.
 

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Aside from the numbers - current and historical - Rodgers never struck me as much of a leader. In the first 10-12 years of his playing career, it was clear he had the talent to win a lot of games and carry a team - and his 4 MVPs are proof. But he didn't have the charisma of a guy like Mahomes. IMO Mahomes inspires the guys around him with his play and his willingness to play hurt when everything is on the line. Josh Allen has "it", Tua T, maybe Jalen Hurts and I'm sure I'm missing others.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers was a phenomenal QB who could (almost) win any game he set his mind to win. He has always lacked that intangible quality most great leaders have - I don't even know the word for it - but a guy who inspires other people to play their best.

I'm not a Rodgers hater. As a Packer fan that would be impossible. He's just a strange cat who dances to music no one else can hear. At times that isolates him from his teammates, fans, and the press. It's his life and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, he's free to live it as he wants.
I kind of felt similar. I always believed that in 2008 even though Rodgers was destined to be another great QB he did not have quite the inspirational qualities of Brett Favre. No matter what people say about him #4 was a motivator. He lifted the players around him like a kid playing with his friends in the school yard. He would do anything for them and vice versa.
 

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I kind of felt similar. I always believed that in 2008 even though Rodgers was destined to be another great QB he did not have quite the inspirational qualities of Brett Favre. No matter what people say about him #4 was a motivator. He lifted the players around him like a kid playing with his friends in the school yard. He would do anything for them and vice versa.
It's interesting that both guys are first-ballot HOFers and couldn't be more different. Favre did get weird at the end. But even though he played for the hated queens, it was hard to not like the guy.

Rodgers was a technician and fun to watch just for his immense talent. He got weird at the end too. Favre was fun to watch because he would do anything to win, and he took risks - too many risks, but hey, that's Favre. Rodgers was an intellectual, Favre was a good ol' boy. They're both winners.
 

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One thing I think Favre and Rodgers did have in common was that at the end of their tenure they elevated themselves above the team and therefore needed to go. Bart Starr sure as hell never did that. Love seems very down to earth but he hasn't had the kind of success that would go to one's head. Let's all hope he has so many Super Bowl rings, it could mess with his ego.
 

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One thing I think Favre and Rodgers did have in common was that at the end of their tenure they elevated themselves above the team and therefore needed to go. Bart Starr sure as hell never did that. Love seems very down to earth but he hasn't had the kind of success that would go to one's head. Let's all hope he has so many Super Bowl rings, it could mess with his ego.
Starr had the wisdom to know and accept the fact that it was time to retire as did other teammates from his era. And the money was not so great back then.
 
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Aside from the numbers - current and historical - Rodgers never struck me as much of a leader. In the first 10-12 years of his playing career, it was clear he had the talent to win a lot of games and carry a team - and his 4 MVPs are proof. But he didn't have the charisma of a guy like Mahomes. IMO Mahomes inspires the guys around him with his play and his willingness to play hurt when everything is on the line. Josh Allen has "it", Tua T, maybe Jalen Hurts and I'm sure I'm missing others.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers was a phenomenal QB who could (almost) win any game he set his mind to win. He has always lacked that intangible quality most great leaders have - I don't even know the word for it - but a guy who inspires other people to play their best.

I'm not a Rodgers hater. As a Packer fan that would be impossible. He's just a strange cat who dances to music no one else can hear. At times that isolates him from his teammates, fans, and the press. It's his life and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, he's free to live it as he wants.
I 200% agree. I think he’s a little whack, but I see another side that’s pretty cool. In his documentary he gives insight to his Family and Brother and it just seems like that family was missing a nut or washer there somewhere. I think that Achilles really humbled him.
 
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What I noticed the few times I've seen him play, and going back to at least his last year in GB, is that he just can't get outside the pocket like he used to. He was great outside the pocket. That's a mobility problem and certainly contributed to his achilles injury.

I've watched almost every Jets game this year, and the first few games I cringed when I saw him standing in there play after play while the pocket completely disintegrates. It's just incredible how many times I think he's going to get utterly destroyed, but his pocket awareness is just incredible - where almost any other quarterback would be having a panic attack, he somehow knows exactly (right down to the last millisecond) how long he has to deliver the football. It's like he's completely oblivious to the 4 or 5 rushers who are barely arm's length away from him.



I did see him make some very Rodgers-esque throws, throws that no one else can make. They don't seem to be happening as often.
He still has that skill, and that's why I watch all of his games. It's the same reason I tried to watch every game Favre ever played - I knew that when he was gone, I'd never see anyone play the game that way again. And I know today that Rodgers only has maybe 2 more seasons left in him, and once he's gone, I'll never see anyone throw some of those passes again as long as I live. I honestly think he was the best pure passer I ever saw in my life.

And like you, I'm not seeing them asfrequently as we used to. He'll make 3 or 4 extraordinary throws in a row, and then float one, or overthrow or underthrow his man. It seems harder for him now to throw enough good balls in a row to sustain a long drive.


Rodgers just doesn't throw enough deep passes in the middle of the field. Either its short stuff with rhe Jets or low percentage deep routes on the sideline.
I don't think he has the time to let deeper routes develop, or the mobility to buy time. He still seems to have a lot of arm strength, but some of his longer passes seem to float a little, which rarely used to happen. His deeper sideline passes don't seem to have the same zip we're used to.
 

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I've watched almost every Jets game this year, and the first few games I cringed when I saw him standing in there play after play while the pocket completely disintegrates. It's just incredible how many times I think he's going to get utterly destroyed, but his pocket awareness is just incredible - where almost any other quarterback would be having a panic attack, he somehow knows exactly (right down to the last millisecond) how long he has to deliver the football. It's like he's completely oblivious to the 4 or 5 rushers who are barely arm's length away from him.




He still has that skill, and that's why I watch all of his games. It's the same reason I tried to watch every game Favre ever played - I knew that when he was gone, I'd never see anyone play the game that way again. And I know today that Rodgers only has maybe 2 more seasons left in him, and once he's gone, I'll never see anyone throw some of those passes again as long as I live. I honestly think he was the best pure passer I ever saw in my life.

And like you, I'm not seeing them asfrequently as we used to. He'll make 3 or 4 extraordinary throws in a row, and then float one, or overthrow or underthrow his man. It seems harder for him now to throw enough good balls in a row to sustain a long drive.



I don't think he has the time to let deeper routes develop, or the mobility to buy time. He still seems to have a lot of arm strength, but some of his longer passes seem to float a little, which rarely used to happen. His deeper sideline passes don't seem to have the same zip we're used to.
He was, and from your observations still is, incredible in the pocket - whether it's staying there and delivering in the face of a blitz, or getting outside and still being able to throw anywhere on the field. His arm is fading but hey, he's 40, it happens.

The one thing Love still lacks - awareness of down and distance, time on the clock, the score, time left before the 2 minute warning, time left before the 1H ends, time before the game ends - Rodgers just always knew where he was and what his options were, and mostly picked the best option. Love isn't Rodgers, no one is, and Love is much more willing to take risks. As he develops better awareness he'll become an elite QB in the league.
 

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One thing I think Favre and Rodgers did have in common was that at the end of their tenure they elevated themselves above the team and therefore needed to go. Bart Starr sure as hell never did that. Love seems very down to earth but he hasn't had the kind of success that would go to one's head. Let's all hope he has so many Super Bowl rings, it could mess with his ego.
That's spot on. Favre, for all his "aw shucks" attitude became a diva at the end, as did Rodgers. Maybe it's the money that they made. Money makes people change, and I mean a lot of money.

In Starr's day the relative pay was lower, the NFL wasn't the powerhouse it is now. And I doubt that Starr would have been fazed by it anyway. He was an incredibly good football player and a better human being.
 

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In my opinion, there are a very good number of excellent posts in this thread. Just sayin'
And Merry Christmas to you weeds. Yeah this is a good thread. People sharing opinions/observations that are helpful.
 

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Gotta believe that they are going to do everything in their power to make sure Adams gets the 500th TD catch given he caught 200 and 400. I googled who got 100 and 300 and it was James Jones and Ty Montgomery for 100 and 300
 

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Gotta believe that they are going to do everything in their power to make sure Adams gets the 500th TD catch given he caught 200 and 400. I googled who got 100 and 300 and it was James Jones and Ty Montgomery for 100 and 300
Is that the same Ty Montgomery who ran back a kickoff when he was told to stay in the end zone? If that's him, I never would have put him at 300 TD catches, although I think he did settle down once the Packers traded him (to the Ravens maybe?). Anyway, thanks for the info Fire.
 

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Is that the same Ty Montgomery who ran back a kickoff when he was told to stay in the end zone? If that's him, I never would have put him at 300 TD catches, although I think he did settle down once the Packers traded him (to the Ravens maybe?). Anyway, thanks for the info Fire.
After the Pack, it was a year with the Ravens, one with NO, two with the Jets and two with NE.
 

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After the Pack, it was a year with the Ravens, one with NO, two with the Jets and two with NE.
Wow, thanks for the info HE. I didn't know he had been so many places. He was a talented guy, playing WR and RB - and returner. He did have an attitude problem when he was in GB. Maybe that's why he never took with one team.
 

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Bills - Jets game might be Rodgers retirement decision game. He has been bad.
Yeah he carries his share of shame for such an awful season. To make it worse, he shows up weekly on the McAfee show yukking it up, and yesterday was yukking it up with a referee after he got a personal foul while his team was losing 40-0.

I'm sure Jets' fans are wondering what is so ****ing funny. Rodgers is a caricature of himself now. It's a horrible way to end what was otherwise a great, HOF career. He is just completely out of touch with anything other than himself, and even that can be questioned. There's just something wrong about the guy. It's a shame all around.
 

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Yeah he carries his share of shame for such an awful season. To make it worse, he shows up weekly on the McAfee show yukking it up, and yesterday was yukking it up with a referee after he got a personal foul while his team was losing 40-0.

I'm sure Jets' fans are wondering what is so ****ing funny. Rodgers is a caricature of himself now. It's a horrible way to end what was otherwise a great, HOF career. He is just completely out of touch with anything other than himself, and even that can be questioned. There's just something wrong about the guy. It's a shame all around.
I watched his Netflix show, as someone said, he is a 'complicated fella.' I recognized that as trying to be nice, but I think it understand better. There is a lot of conflicts swirling around in that skull and he is trying to figure things out. I think he is foolish to turn to hallucinogenic drugs to find his answers. Something is troubling him deep in his soul and I hope he gets it sorted out.
 

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I watched his Netflix show, as someone said, he is a 'complicated fella.' I recognized that as trying to be nice, but I think it understand better. There is a lot of conflicts swirling around in that skull and he is trying to figure things out. I think he is foolish to turn to hallucinogenic drugs to find his answers. Something is troubling him deep in his soul and I hope he gets it sorted out.
Agreed. I don't take any pleasure watching this happen to him. And I'm not in favor of using hallucinogenics to solve problems like depression or to stimulate creativity or calmness. Personally I get all the creativity I need from weird ****ing dreams and all the calm I need from sleeping. I guess I'm lucky.

But yeah, he has an emptiness to him and I think he glosses over that. That's a shame because we can't get help for a problem until we 1) recognize we have a problem and 2) ask for help.
 

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I watched his Netflix show, as someone said, he is a 'complicated fella.' I recognized that as trying to be nice, but I think it understand better. There is a lot of conflicts swirling around in that skull and he is trying to figure things out. I think he is foolish to turn to hallucinogenic drugs to find his answers. Something is troubling him deep in his soul and I hope he gets it sorted out.

Agreed. I don't take any pleasure watching this happen to him. And I'm not in favor of using hallucinogenics to solve problems like depression or to stimulate creativity or calmness. Personally I get all the creativity I need from weird ****ing dreams and all the calm I need from sleeping. I guess I'm lucky.

But yeah, he has an emptiness to him and I think he glosses over that. That's a shame because we can't get help for a problem until we 1) recognize we have a problem and 2) ask for help.
I appreciated these posts. I know bringing religion into online forums doesn't always go well, so apologies in advance if it turns south, but in a lot of ways Rodgers kind of reminds me of the parable of the prodigal son. We know Rodgers was raised in a religious household, and from what I can recall in his early years in the league he would still describe himself as a Christian too. And of course I don't claim to know how the whole process went for him but if we go back we can pretty clearly see how he starts having more questions, more doubts, more outside influences slipping and so on*, and over time he starts to walk back some of those beliefs, to the point where now I'm pretty sure he most recently says he doesn't really prescribe to any organized belief system or "believe in" organized religion at all at this point. (I do think he has also noted that his "questioning" and strife with his family have kind of gone hand-in-hand too, FWIW)

*and these are not inherently bad things themselves, I don't mean to send that message. But for better or worse they have been pivotal factors on his "path" I think.

And so I feel like in a lot of ways you have this guy who is already a bit insecure (we all know the famous "chip on the shoulder" from draft night) and sees an opportunity to make a name for himself and takes it (also not a bad thing in and of itself). He wins a Super Bowl relatively early on and gets all the success a player could really hope for in the league. He has people talking about how he's one of the most talented players to EVER play the game, he's one of the biggest names in sports, he's fabulously wealthy. And I don't want to project too much, but I guess it's like...there's always been a sense that none of that stuff has ever been enough, still.

I'd also say that in some ways I understand the "Rodgers is a complicated guy" bit, but I'd also push back and say that most of us are probably more "complicated guys" than we might like to admit. We just don't live out our "complications" under a microscope in the view of millions. And I think Rodgers truly is a wicked smart guy, but sometimes too smart for his own good, a guy who perhaps at times misses the forest for the trees. But he is also a stubborn and proud guy and I suspect one who does not take correction or "pushback" particularly well. As is the case with many celebrities, I have to wonder how many of them have someone in their life who is willing to tell them no or call them out. It is not healthy to the psyche to only be surrounded by yes men and "friends" who know that they can be cut out of a person's life at a moment's notice if they don't tell that person what they want to hear. Again - don't want to project too much or claim to know more than I do, but I have to wonder if Rodgers has anyone in his life who's seriously willing to have hard "life" conversations with him.

So, I don't know, I'm kind of rambling a little bit and that's not as organized a post as I'd initially set out to type, but I guess all that to say like...It just kind of feels to me like Rodgers is a guy who is smart enough to realize exactly what it is he is missing while also being too stubborn to admit it (both to himself and/or others). It makes me a little sad, honestly. One of my favorite athletes, and honestly I really do believe (as best as I can assess from hundreds of miles away with no real personal connection/experience) him to be a genuinely good-hearted guy deep down, but also just a guy who seems really lost and it just kinda bums me out when I think too much about it, haha.
 

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I appreciated these posts. I know bringing religion into online forums doesn't always go well, so apologies in advance if it turns south, but in a lot of ways Rodgers kind of reminds me of the parable of the prodigal son. We know Rodgers was raised in a religious household, and from what I can recall in his early years in the league he would still describe himself as a Christian too. And of course I don't claim to know how the whole process went for him but if we go back we can pretty clearly see how he starts having more questions, more doubts, more outside influences slipping and so on*, and over time he starts to walk back some of those beliefs, to the point where now I'm pretty sure he most recently says he doesn't really prescribe to any organized belief system or "believe in" organized religion at all at this point. (I do think he has also noted that his "questioning" and strife with his family have kind of gone hand-in-hand too, FWIW)

*and these are not inherently bad things themselves, I don't mean to send that message. But for better or worse they have been pivotal factors on his "path" I think.

And so I feel like in a lot of ways you have this guy who is already a bit insecure (we all know the famous "chip on the shoulder" from draft night) and sees an opportunity to make a name for himself and takes it (also not a bad thing in and of itself). He wins a Super Bowl relatively early on and gets all the success a player could really hope for in the league. He has people talking about how he's one of the most talented players to EVER play the game, he's one of the biggest names in sports, he's fabulously wealthy. And I don't want to project too much, but I guess it's like...there's always been a sense that none of that stuff has ever been enough, still.

I'd also say that in some ways I understand the "Rodgers is a complicated guy" bit, but I'd also push back and say that most of us are probably more "complicated guys" than we might like to admit. We just don't live out our "complications" under a microscope in the view of millions. And I think Rodgers truly is a wicked smart guy, but sometimes too smart for his own good, a guy who perhaps at times misses the forest for the trees. But he is also a stubborn and proud guy and I suspect one who does not take correction or "pushback" particularly well. As is the case with many celebrities, I have to wonder how many of them have someone in their life who is willing to tell them no or call them out. It is not healthy to the psyche to only be surrounded by yes men and "friends" who know that they can be cut out of a person's life at a moment's notice if they don't tell that person what they want to hear. Again - don't want to project too much or claim to know more than I do, but I have to wonder if Rodgers has anyone in his life who's seriously willing to have hard "life" conversations with him.

So, I don't know, I'm kind of rambling a little bit and that's not as organized a post as I'd initially set out to type, but I guess all that to say like...It just kind of feels to me like Rodgers is a guy who is smart enough to realize exactly what it is he is missing while also being too stubborn to admit it (both to himself and/or others). It makes me a little sad, honestly. One of my favorite athletes, and honestly I really do believe (as best as I can assess from hundreds of miles away with no real personal connection/experience) him to be a genuinely good-hearted guy deep down, but also just a guy who seems really lost and it just kinda bums me out when I think too much about it, haha.
Good post and you added to the ongoing conversation. Maybe Rodgers is so keenly aware of how smart he is and how good a football player he is, he can't accept feedback. His MO is to first blame others when things go wrong. If he needs to improve, he'll say he can play a "tick" better.

I don't think he has anyone in his life who can tell him the truth about himself - and that's largely because he wouldn't accept it anyway. That would make anyone lonely, whether they admit it or not. And in that respect, I do feel bad for the guy. Once football is over he'll have nothing - nothing to draw attention to himself. He'll be alone in a darkened room or dropping acid in South America. No thanks.
 
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Check out this story from Oshkosh Northwestern: David Bakhtiari congratulates Aaron Rodgers on new record

Former Packers offensive lineman David Bakhtiari offered some light ribbing to his ex-teammate Aaron Rodgers after Rodgers set a dubious NFL record.

 
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