Raiders cut Jordy

[swhitset]

I feel like Jordy could be a solid addition, but I'm afraid we'd get sentimental and AR would try to force him the ball. Sentiment can cloud judgement, and I don't want our team to be sentimental, I want wins.

Frankly, I wish Rodgers would force the ball a little more than he does... within reason. However, I’d like him to be able to trust more than just Davante or Jordy Nelson.

 

[Dblbogey]

But my thing is who is a better option at this point? You guys don't want Cobb, saying he's lost a step even though he's only 28 years old. And now you guys are saying Jordy doesn't have it, even though he's averaged more than any other receiver on the squad outside of Adams, while being the third/fourth option on a sorry *** squad in Oakland. I'm simply saying we give him a chance, rather than shut the door completely. Unless of course we draft a receiver in the first round.

We say Cobb has lost a step? When was Cobb's last decent year, 3-4 years ago? He's done. He's lost his quickness, acceleration and is always hurt. Jordy is done. He couldn't get any separation his last year in GB and he's not going to get quicker with age. There are numerous better options IMO. I think Geronimo is better than either of them, last year's rookies have more talent and upside at this point, and the draft lies ahead. Move on, like we finally did with Nick Perry, Ha Ha, and hopefully will with Clay.

 

[Raptorman]

Well it is the Raiders. And they traded one of the best pass rushers in the league only to have their coach ***** about not having a good pass rusher. So who do the Raiders have left for Carr to throw too? Antonio Brown. Keon Hatcher, and Seth Roberts. Between the two of them they had 46 catches and 502 yards, 2 TDS. The TE's, and WR's not named Brown on the Raiders have a total of 59 catches last year. Looks like Brown is in for a good year.



Edit: Well I see they also have someone named Tyrell Williams. 41 catches last year. So 6 players don't have as many catches as Brown did last year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

While I agree the Packers should improve the receiving corps this offseason bringing back Nelson isn't the solution. It would definitely be smarter to use an early round pick on the position.

I’m not convinced Nelson has the nerve to play in the middle of the field anymore which a slot has to do. I would like to see a true slot/punt returner brought in but that prospect seems to be less than 50/50 imo.

Nelson lined up in the slot on 31.5% of his snaps last season.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I thought it was a mistake for the Packers to let him go. Wonder if AR would like him back.

Not likely.

He's 34, and Green Bay just tendered Allison, and are probably bringing back all four rookie wideouts from last year in addition to Davante.....Crowded group, even before the draft.

More likely he retires, hopefully as a Packer......Just as Kuhn did a few days ago. Time waits for no one, etc.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I would favor bringing Jordy back and letting him compete for a spot. If he doesn't beat out one of the younger receivers then you cut him.

His last year in Green Bay was not productive after Rodgers went down, it is true. But when Rodgers was playing Jordy looked fine to me. Did Jordy quit on Hundley? Maybe. It would be hard not to quit on a QB so manifestly incapable. If Hundley were our starting QB I would not advocate bringing back Jordy.

For me the only question is whether he would be more productive for the Packers offense than the available alternatives. The only way to know that is to bring him in and start running plays. I strongly suspect he's still better than J'mon Moore, for example, since Moore, while young, tall and fast, doesn't seem to be able to catch a football.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would favor bringing Jordy back and letting him compete for a spot.

In that case the Packers shouldn't offer Nelson any guaranteed money. I highly doubt Jordy is interested in a deal like that though.

Another thing to consider is that while it's probable he's currently better than any other receiver on the roster aside of Adams the important question is whether that would still be true late in the 2019 season.

 

[tynimiller]

In that case the Packers shouldn't offer Nelson any guaranteed money. I highly doubt Jordy is interested in a deal like that though.

Another thing to consider is that while it's probable he's currently better than any other receiver on the roster aside of Adams the important question is whether that would still be true late in the 2019 season.

Your last bit is where the snag is, presently vs where the trends are indicating. Imagine had Gmo not got hurt last year dude was arguably on pace for minimum, even with a stall, a 800+ yard season with plenty of targets and near double digit TDs...most likely would have gotten closer or broke 1,000. If that had happened he would have cemented himself at worst case as a solid #3 WR anywhere...and #2 most places IMO. He is progressing and trending upward...

EQ, MVS and even Kumerow all progressing/trending upwards as well. Rapor with Rodgers was much more visible as the year progressed out of these young guys and while it sucks we are in the position of this being true but IMO it is true nonetheless: GB has never had a stable of WRs with this much potential in numbers...the issue is trying to decipher who is going to bust/stall and who is going to explode as odds would say not all will do what we hope.

IMO, the only type of WR we need is a slot guy, period. Kumerow one could argue is our best equipped WR currently for that role...and I am not a fan of putting all our eggs in that slot basket.

All this to say while I love Nelson, I mean love the guy...it wouldn't be smart IMO to sign him and stall growth of others, not get much better IMO and is best suited as an injury replacement if needed.

 

[Ceodore]

Wouldn't hate having him back but not worth paying any serious kind of money to. I think another team will pay him more than we should.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

IMO, the only type of WR we need is a slot guy, period. Kumerow one could argue is our best equipped WR currently for that role...and I am not a fan of putting all our eggs in that slot basket.

While I agree with most of your post Kumerow hasn't lined up in the slot a lot. Even during the preseason he played only three out of 58 snaps there.

 

[tynimiller]

While I agree with most of your post Kumerow hasn't lined up in the slot a lot. Even during the preseason he played only three out of 58 snaps there.

I didn't realize it was so little. That last part of the season didn't he line up there more? If not, everyone completely ignore that unsubstantiated statement of mine...need more coffee!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I didn't realize it was so little. That last part of the season didn't he line up there more? If not, everyone completely ignore that unsubstantiated statement of mine...need more coffee!

I already posted that somewhere but Kumerow lined up in the slot on only seven of 136 (5.1%) snaps during the regular season in 2018.

 

[tynimiller]

I already posted that somewhere but Kumerow lined up in the slot on only seven of 136 (5.1%) snaps during the regular season in 2018.

Appreciate the information, strengthen my stance even more so than only WR we need to get is a true slot guy! As always cap, great source of info!

 

[Stanger37]

Again, who currently on the roster not named Adams is better than Jordy?

*insert sounds of crickets*

• Allison
• MVS
• EQ
• Kumerow
• Moore
• Davis
• Lazard

If Jordy would even want to come back to Green Bay, he would come cheap and I doubt attached with any guarantees. Let EQ, Kumerow and Moore fight for the #6 spot.

I am still waiting on someone to answer this.

Jordy had as many catches last year in the final five games (38) as MVS all year, and more than everyone not named Adams and Graham. So much to most pro-Jordy people on this forums' point, who on this squad is better than Jordy? Remove Jordy's name from this stat line and any Packer fan would have been ecstatic with this type of production along side Adams.

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That was with Jordy pretty much being their only form of offense and their #1 at the end of the season. He must still have some type of step to get open, especially when an opposing defense doesn't have to worry about anyone else to cover but Jared Cook? Even if he was a tweener between 2/3, he adds a layer of offense that was non-existent last year.

And I don't trust anyone else to fill that role on this team until they go out and prove it. If they bring him in and someone beats him out on the spot by week 4, 8, 12 whatever...so be it. Competition is good. When your competition are a bunch of people who aren't cut out for the role no one actually wins.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am still waiting on someone to answer this.

Jordy had as many catches last year in the final five games (38) as MVS all year, and more than everyone not named Adams and Graham. So much to most pro-Jordy people on this forums' point, who on this squad is better than Jordy? Remove Jordy's name from this stat line and any Packer fan would have been ecstatic with this type of production along side Adams.

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That was with Jordy pretty much being their only form of offense and their #1 at the end of the season. He must still have some type of step to get open, especially when an opposing defense doesn't have to worry about anyone else to cover but Jared Cook? Even if he was a tweener between 2/3, he adds a layer of offense that was non-existent last year.

And I don't trust anyone else to fill that role on this team until they go out and prove it. If they bring him in and someone beats him out on the spot by week 4, 8, 12 whatever...so be it. Competition is good. When your competition are a bunch of people who aren't cut out for the role no one actually wins.

Once again, there's absolutely no doubt Nelson is on the decline. While it's reasonable to argue that currently none of the receivers on the roster aside of Adams are better than Jordy it's possible that one or several of them improve significantly in 2019 resulting in being a better play than Nelson at the end of the year.

While he had a lot of receptions over that five game span you posted the numbers from above the average yardage per catch (10.2) is pedestrian and four yards below his average with the Packers. That seems to be another indicator he has lost a step.

 

[longtimefan]

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[Pokerbrat2000]

While it's reasonable to argue that currently none of the receivers on the roster aside of Adams are better than Jordy it's possible that one or several of them improve significantly in 2019 resulting in being a better play than Nelson at the end of the year.

This is the most reasonable caveat of the decision against trying to bring Jordy back. Allison, MVS and EQ are 3 guys who I feel could potentially surpass Jordy's talent, which admittedly is on the downturn. I have to trust the Packer staff in knowing if this will/shuold happen. Obviously, taking snaps away from a player who has a good chance of being the next Jordy would not be prudent.

All that said, I do think Jordy would give this team more than what it would cost to bring him back, but if the coaches decide that it would be at the detriment of developing other quality players, then I would understand not bringing him back.

More than likely the final group of WR's will be:

Adams, Allison, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, 1st -3rd round Rookie

 

[Deleted member 6794]

More than likely the final group of WR's will be:

Adams, Allison, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, 1st -3rd round Rookie

It would be surprising if the front office already moved on from Moore after just one season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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I spent "hours" doing that yesterday!

Took me hours to photo shop this, but felt it was worth it.

This is what Jordy would look like in a Packer uniform.

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[GleefulGary]

Again, who currently on the roster not named Adams is better than Jordy?

*insert sounds of crickets*

• Allison
• MVS
• EQ
• Kumerow
• Moore
• Davis
• Lazard

If Jordy would even want to come back to Green Bay, he would come cheap and I doubt attached with any guarantees. Let EQ, Kumerow and Moore fight for the #6 spot.

What, right now, does Jordy do better than Allison?

- chemistry with Rodgers
- sliding immediately after catching the ball so he doesn't get tackled

That's about it.

Bringing Jordy in does not make us win more games, it just slows the development of guys we need to develop.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It would be surprising if the front office already moved on from Moore after just one season.

Would be and I doubt they have just yet. But much like DeAngelo Yancey, who was a 5th round pick in 2017, he just may not be as good as the Packers originally thought. Moore definitely has an uphill battle to make the final 53, but I am sure he will be give a very good opportunity to do so.

 

[GleefulGary]

While I agree with most of your post Kumerow hasn't lined up in the slot a lot. Even during the preseason he played only three out of 58 snaps there.

How often did EQSB play in the slot?

I like him as a big slot, situationally.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Would be and I doubt they have just yet. But much like DeAngelo Yancey, who was a 5th round pick in 2017, he just may not be as good as the Packers originally thought. Moore definitely has an uphill battle to make the final 53, but I am sure he will be give a very good opportunity to do so.

There's no doubt Moore has to significantly improve catching the ball to justify making the roster.

How often did EQSB play in the slot?

I like him as a big slot, situationally.

St. Brown lined up in the slot on 27.7% (99 of 358) of his snaps last season.

 

[PackAttack12]

Not.Going.To.Happen.

It's March. Let us have some fun. Party pooper.

 

[Stanger37]

Once again, there's absolutely no doubt Nelson is on the decline. While it's reasonable to argue that currently none of the receivers on the roster aside of Adams are better than Jordy it's possible that one or several of them improve significantly in 2019 resulting in being a better play than Nelson at the end of the year.

While he had a lot of receptions over that five game span you posted the numbers from above the average yardage per catch (10.2) is pedestrian and four yards below his average with the Packers. That seems to be another indicator he has lost a step.

I have no doubt he has lost a step, he is 34. He isn't the end all be all, Super Bowl solution.

But I'd rather Rodgers throw a 10yd pass up the middle on 2nd/3rd down for the 1st that he catches 80% of the time than a 30yd heave to MVS or EQB that works 50% of the time. Move the chains, keep drives alive, open up those throws to the other guys.

How many drives last year resulted in...Jones rush for 4-5yd. Rodgers misses Adams. Rodgers throws it 30yd down field for MVS/EQB.

Rinse, Repeat.

That could be a lot of things, but last year seemed very home run dependent rather than sustaining drives. And it could be hopeful of a past life, but we know Rodgers and Jordy are capable of keeping drives alive.