Preseason 2 Washington Redskins Studs/Duds

[easyk83]

Anyways I like Dupre but I worry that he might be too similar to Jordy Devante and Geronimo, good route runners who get open but don't have the ability to take the top off a defense and generate explosive plays. Throw Michael Clarke in with this group as well Davis is explosive but he doesn't project to play over the middle like Janis does.

I think the next two weeks will be very enlightening, look to see guys like Davis Janis McCaffrey and Clarke and Dupre to get some earlier reps in the game to see what they do with them.

 

[PackAttack12]

why try logic? of course one would have to accept that draft picks are all equal in value, which all know they are not. You're arguing something that is not fact, you just like to assume it is so, because you can't follow logic? or you just don't want to.

It's like arguing that loaf of bread is going to cost me 5 pieces of currency and then you're using pesos or dollars. They aren't the same and end sum math doesn't apply. Unless of course you have an agenda and would like it to.

Holy guacamole.

On what planet, other than the one you and your buddy Sky King live on, did it not take 3 picks to acquire Spriggs? I'm not arguing whether or not it was a good decision, I'm saying that it's indisputable how many picks the Packers used to get him.

Now I know why Pokerbrat bowed out. Too damn tiring dealing with nonsense.

 

[easyk83]

There was foolishness on many many sides in this Spriggs business.

 

[Mondio]

go ahead and take a bow. If you don't understand that draft picks are not all equal, then you'll never understand why your end sum math doesn't apply. it's best you bow out.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

There was foolishness on many many sides in this Spriggs business.

so many things went wrong so quickly, lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There was foolishness on many many sides in this Spriggs business.

So far it looks like a foolish move, but if it turns out Spriggs can actually be a solid starter in the NFL, then no matter what math you want to use, it could be viewed in a more positive light.

 

[PackAttack12]

go ahead and take a bow. If you don't understand that draft picks are not all equal, then you'll never understand why your end sum math doesn't apply. it's best you bow out.

My last response.

You're making the mistake of assuming that I care about whether all draft picks are created equal. Or that I care how many spots we moved up. Or any of that. The fact that you're still trying to dispute that it took 3 picks is what's troubling here. The Packers used the actual selection itself from the Colts by sending a selection of their own in the same round. It still boils down to a second round pick was used to acquire Spriggs, but it also took two picks from other rounds of the draft to get it done. Where I come from, 2+1=3, regardless of your thoughts on shifting draft position or how many spots we moved or what have you. At the end of the day, I said it took 3 picks to acquire Spriggs. Nothing more, nothing less. That's a fact.

I'm done. Enjoy cloud 9.

 

[Mondio]

LOL, later

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My last response.

You're making the mistake of assuming that I care about whether all draft picks are created equal. Or that I care how many spots we moved up. Or any of that. The fact that you're still trying to dispute that it took 3 picks is what's troubling here. The Packers used the actual selection itself from the Colts by sending a selection of their own in the same round. It still boils down to a second round pick was used to acquire Spriggs, but it also took two picks from other rounds of the draft to get it done. Where I come from, 2+1=3, regardless of your thoughts on shifting draft position or how many spots we moved or what have you. At the end of the day, I said it took 3 picks to acquire Spriggs. Nothing more, nothing less. That's a fact.

I'm done. Enjoy cloud 9.

Some of us will be in the Teacher's Lounge if you need a drink.

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[Mondio]

and you're making the mistake that I don't "get it took 3 picks" I do. I get it. I think it's a silly argument because any player was going to "cost" us a pick. Unless of course with your "logic" you think not making a pick is better because it's the pick that was important? on the Flip side, we had 1 pick and picked King, but still had 1 pick, so using your logic, he cost us nothing, but he still cost us a pick.

a pick equals a player, unless of course it's your contention that picks are more important than players. Because unless you believe pulling a vikings type move and NOT making a pick, so we don't have to make the investment is a wise, I suggest you quit. Not even I think you can be that ridiculous.

for all intents and purposes 1 pick=1 player. If you go into something with 1 and you trade it for 1 of what it's worth, it didn't "Cost" you anything. I didn't have to use my pick for anything other than what it was intended for. It's not like I think trading out of the first gave us 2 extra players. it gave us 1, a 4th rounder. the other pick equaled a player to start the day, and that's assuming all picks are of equal value (since you don't care that they actually aren't). I would never in a million years sit here and argue that the King trade was great because it gave us 2 picks. because it didn't. I already had 1.

so yes, while technically we "used" 3 picks, we only gave up 2, a 4th and a 7th, to attain Spriggs. So you can rest assured, i understand completely how you and Poker and the other yahoos i've blocked a long time ago arrive at "costing us 3 picks" it is silly. and it doesn't even take into account that the picks aren't equal to begin with.

Maybe it's time you stop drinking in the lounge?

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

Cmon, guys, what is this, an ESPN/APC comments page?

 

[Sky King]

Anyways I like Dupre but I worry that he might be too similar to Jordy Devante and Geronimo, good route runners who get open but don't have the ability to take the top off a defense and generate explosive plays. Throw Michael Clarke in with this group as well Davis is explosive but he doesn't project to play over the middle like Janis does.

I think the next two weeks will be very enlightening, look to see guys like Davis Janis McCaffrey and Clarke and Dupre to get some earlier reps in the game to see what they do with them.

Last season Adams proved how important that a good release can be. Several times he smoked a DB so badly off the line his separation throughout the route made him look like he runs a 4.3 forty. At this point we know very little about Dupre's ability in this area. But with time lost to injury and only 2 more games to go before the cuts are made he's going to have a tough time making the 53 or the PS. Tough break that concussion.

 

[AmishMafia]

Alright. Let's stop this. Can we agree to the following and then move On?

1. It cost us 2 picks to move up
2. We used (cost us) a pick to select Spriggs
3. In all, we used 3 picks (of varying value) to take Spriggs.
4. Had we not traded up; missed out on Spriggs; and not done any subsequent trades; we would have taken 3 other players.



It's a sad day for this forum when I, who usually instigates these kinds of threads, is the voice of reason.

Sky, Mond, capt, Pa12, ???? - all hit like and at 12 noon, simultaneously hit the below link and at the very least, hum along.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Alright. Let's stop this. Can we agree to the following and then move On?

1. It cost us 2 picks to move up
2. We used (cost us) a pick to select Spriggs
3. In all, we used 3 picks (of varying value) to take Spriggs.
4. Had we not traded up; missed out on Spriggs; and not done any subsequent trades; we would have taken 3 other players.



It's a sad day for this forum when I, who usually instigates these kinds of threads, is the voice of reason.

Sky, Mond, capt, Pa12, ???? - all hit like and at 12 noon, simultaneously hit the below link and at the very least, hum along.

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While Khumbaya is one of my favorites, perhaps this is a better plan at Noon?

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[Mondio]

no, I will continue to squash out lunacy wherever I find it, and if I feel inclined to do so, I will, at the time and manner of my own choosing, squash it Until everyone can agree that a your pick is really nothing until you turn it into a player, using the pick you were given to begin with doesn't "cost" you anything, because it is worth nothing until you turned it in for a player. and when everyone can finally see that, this debate can die, it will die, because nobody will be making silly arguments to make something seem different than it actually was.

so while not moving to pick spriggs would have resulted in 3 different players, only 2 of them would have been "extra". Surely EVERYBODY can see that

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

no, I will continue to squash out lunacy wherever I find it, and if I feel inclined to do so, I will, at the time and manner of my own choosing, squash it Until everyone can agree that a your pick is really nothing until you turn it into a player, using the pick you were given to begin with doesn't "cost" you anything, because it is worth nothing until you turned it in for a player. and when everyone can finally see that, this debate can die, it will die, because nobody will be making silly arguments to make something seem different than it actually was.

so while not moving to pick spriggs would have resulted in 3 different players, only 2 of them would have been "extra". Surely EVERYBODY can see that

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[Sky King]

Alright. Let's stop this. Can we agree to the following and then move On?

1. It cost us 2 picks to move up
2. We used (cost us) a pick to select Spriggs
3. In all, we used 3 picks (of varying value) to take Spriggs.
4. Had we not traded up; missed out on Spriggs; and not done any subsequent trades; we would have taken 3 other players.



It's a sad day for this forum when I, who usually instigates these kinds of threads, is the voice of reason.

Sky, Mond, capt, Pa12, ???? - all hit like and at 12 noon, simultaneously hit the below link and at the very least, hum along.

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I hit "like" but only because we were once neighbors.

 

[AmishMafia]

no, I will continue to squash out lunacy wherever I find it, and if I feel inclined to do so, I will, at the time and manner of my own choosing, squash it Until everyone can agree that a your pick is really nothing until you turn it into a player, using the pick you were given to begin with doesn't "cost" you anything, because it is worth nothing until you turned it in for a player. and when everyone can finally see that, this debate can die, it will die, because nobody will be making silly arguments to make something seem different than it actually was.

so while not moving to pick spriggs would have resulted in 3 different players, only 2 of them would have been "extra". Surely EVERYBODY can see that

Okay, i appreciate your struggle brother. Please follow the below link and at noon, sign along

The important thing is we all sing at the same time, even if to different songs.

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[C-Lee]

We need to win a ring so we can go back to being friendly!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We need to win a ring so we can go back to being friendly!

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[Sky King]

It's our time of the month (before the real season begins). It's kind of like plaers fighting in training camp. They happen and it's over.

 

[gopkrs]

Well I have not seen much about Hill on the forum. Do we have a player here? Would certainly rather have him than Callahan as I don't see much potential there.

 

[Mondio]

Hill has been fun to watch, just like Callahan was last season. I think there's a reason why they shine when they do though. making athletic plays against bottom depth guys is a step up from college, but it's still very college like. until I can see both against better competition, it's very hard to say. I'd say Hill has more athletic ability, no doubt about that. but there's a lot more to being a QB than that. I didn't get to see the 2nd game really. I hope to see more of both this weekend. Being able to turn a broken play into a huge play is nice, but it can't be how the offense runs thru a quarterback either.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

Hill has been fun to watch, just like Callahan was last season. I think there's a reason why they shine when they do though. making athletic plays against bottom depth guys is a step up from college, but it's still very college like. until I can see both against better competition, it's very hard to say. I'd say Hill has more athletic ability, no doubt about that. but there's a lot more to being a QB than that. I didn't get to see the 2nd game really. I hope to see more of both this weekend. Being able to turn a broken play into a huge play is nice, but it can't be how the offense runs thru a quarterback either.

The way I figure it is this: With Hill, the offense would be mostly relying upon Hill's athletic ability to make a play. With Callahan, the offense would be mostly relying upon the athletic ability of our WRs to make a play. I prefer Callahan.

 

[Sky King]

Well I have not seen much about Hill on the forum. Do we have a player here? Would certainly rather have him than Callahan as I don't see much potential there.

Hill's athleticism is hard to overlook. Talk about upside. It gives him that advantage over Callahan. But his age is working against him. If his lot in the NFL is as a career backup maybe he's got a shot. And with a little Flynn-like circumstance he could even score a deal that sets him up fairly well later in life. I'd like to see more of his play. He's fun to watch.