Post MM firing -- coaching search: who we want -- ALL threads merged

[Pkrjones]

On the bright side, could possibly hire Flip to be an OC or QB coach now, rather than HC...

Minny's talent isn't chicken salad, though. Their offense severly UNDER-performed and don't think majority of blame is on Cousins. OC needs to adapt to the talent available, and he didn't.

 

[GleefulGary]

Minny's talent isn't chicken salad, though. Their offense severly UNDER-performed and don't think majority of blame is on Cousins. OC needs to adapt to the talent available, and he didn't.

Arguably, yeah, it is.

Two good WR's. An average RB. An average TE. An average to slightly above average QB. A bad OL.

That's it. Certainly Flip could've done a better job, I'm not arguing that he was great at it in Minny. I'm just saying there wasn't a lot of talent to be working with there either.

 

[Dantés]

Okay.

FWIW, there are a few Vikings fans calling for his scalp:

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota...e-Vikings-Head-Coaching-candidates-126201255/

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota.../Contents/Vikings-coaching-clowns--126204182/

I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. I also don't think the Vikings are going to be playing in February anytime soon.

I would challenge you to find the NFL fan base wherein no one is calling for their coach's job.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would challenge you to find the NFL fan base wherein no one is calling for their coach's job.

Just guessing but right now Matt Nagy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Sean Payton and even Sean McVay are probably very low priority for their respective fan bases to be wanting fired. But yes, there is always going to be one or two fans out there that think they themselves would make a better HC.

 

[Dantés]

Minny's talent isn't chicken salad, though. Their offense severly UNDER-performed and don't think majority of blame is on Cousins. OC needs to adapt to the talent available, and he didn't.

I'm not advocating for Defilippo, but I think Minnesota's offensive potential has been overhyped. Their personnel is bottom 10 in the NFL.

Cousins isn't that far above average.

I'm not at all a fan of Dalvin Cook.

They don't have a single good offensive linemen. As a unit, they're bad.

Kyle Rudolph has a well rounded skill set, but he isn't a dynamic receiver.

Diggs and Thielen are great, and that's where it ends for me in terms of plus talent. Their receiver depth is poor too.

How many of their players start for the Packers? One? Maybe two?

 

[Dantés]

Just guessing but right now Matt Nagy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Sean Payton and even Sean McVay are probably very low priority for their respective fan bases to be wanting fired. But yes, there is always going to be one or two fans out there that think they themselves would make a better HC.

Of course, but I guarantee I can find examples of fans calling for their jobs. My point is that just because some Vikings fans want Zimmer gone doesn't mean he hasn't been a success.

 

[Southside]

Cousins is way over rated and way over paid. Dumb Vikings. He's the one that got Defilippo fired. Hope he had the decency to give the poor guy a ride home after the game.

 

[Alex]

I would challenge you to find the NFL fan base wherein no one is calling for their coach's job.

My guess would be New England.

 

[Pkrjones]

How many of their players start for the Packers? One? Maybe two?

Diggs, Thielen, (as #2 & #3), I'd take Rudolph over Graham or any of the TE's we've had since Finley left. Dalvin Cook is better than any GB RB we've had in last 4 years not named Aaron Jones. That would be 4 since Monty or Williams were starters until game 6.

 

[GleefulGary]

Diggs, Thielen, (as #2 & #3), I'd take Rudolph over Graham or any of the TE's we've had since Finley left. Dalvin Cook is better than any GB RB we've had in last 4 years not named Aaron Jones. That would be 4 since Monty or Williams were starters until game 6.

3. Cook wouldn't start here.

And yeah, Rudolph would probably start here, but he's not what one would call dynamic. He's pretty much a catch and drop to the ground player. No YAC at all.

 

[Dantés]

Diggs, Thielen, (as #2 & #3), I'd take Rudolph over Graham or any of the TE's we've had since Finley left. Dalvin Cook is better than any GB RB we've had in last 4 years not named Aaron Jones. That would be 4 since Monty or Williams were starters until game 6.

So then 3 is your answer, if you consider the #3 receiver a starter (which is fair).

I think you're right that, in 11 personnel, Diggs and Thielen are both in as #2 and #3. Rudolph and Graham are a coin flip between blocking and receiving. Even this version of Graham is easily a better receiver than Rudolph. Probably Remmers at RG, but only because our RG situation is poor (not because he's any great shakes).

You're realistically talking about 3 spots where their offensive players would start on our team. That's... not a lot.

 

[Dantés]

My guess would be New England.

You don't think there were crazy Patriots fans calling BB finished after that disaster in Miami?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You don't think there were crazy Patriots fans calling BB finished after that disaster in Miami?

Crazy, being the operative word. I'm sure there were a few nut jobs that didn't like Lombardi after a loss either. Thankfully, those aren't the people making the decisions, unless you want to lump in William Clay Ford Sr. when he hired Matt Millen to be the Lions CEO/GM. Millan told Ford "Mr. Ford, I really appreciate this, but I'm not qualified." Ford responded "You're smart. You'll figure it out."

 

[sschind]

Well of course they can't block the hiring. I think we all agree on that.
The issue is compensation. Another poster stated compensation had to be paid if the coach is under contract. So is that true or not? I suspect it may be true.

There would be a heck of a lot of draft picks given up every year if that was the case.

Have not seen any conversation regarding compensation, but that's how I understood it. I don't think most fans have even given that a thought. Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels signed a new 5 year contract with the New England Patriots last year. From what I've read he is one of the favorites for the Packers head coaching job. He could be quite costly. I suspect the vast majority of NFL candidates are under contract. Do the Packers want to give up this years 2 first round draft picks and possible additional picks in coming years for a coach? I suppose if he's the right guy.

I think if any team ever gave up 2 first rounders plus to hire another teams coordinator we would have heard about it and I can't recall ever hearing about it. You would see a heck of a lot more inexperienced coaches and college coaches getting HC jobs and not many coordinators moving up if teams were forced to give up draft picks to sign them.

 

[Dantés]

Crazy, being the operative word. I'm sure there were a few nut jobs that didn't like Lombardi after a loss either. Thankfully, those aren't the people making the decisions, unless you want to lump in William Clay Ford Sr. when he hired Matt Millen to be the Lions CEO/GM. Millan told Ford "Mr. Ford, I really appreciate this, but I'm not qualified." Ford responded "You're smart. You'll figure it out."

Right. And that's what I'm saying-- Vikings fans who think Zimmer should be fired are being stupid.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Minny's talent isn't chicken salad, though. Their offense severly UNDER-performed and don't think majority of blame is on Cousins. OC needs to adapt to the talent available, and he didn't.

Agreed. Wasn’t this the year that the Queens’ offense would catch up to its formidable D? Not under Cousins, and the D hasn’t exactly been on fire.

Anyway, talk of DeFillipo as HC of the Pack is a non-starter for me. Yeah Cousins is an average and overpaid QB, but he should still be coachable.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Arguably, yeah, it is.

Two good WR's. An average RB. An average TE. An average to slightly above average QB. A bad OL.

That's it. Certainly Flip could've done a better job, I'm not arguing that he was great at it in Minny. I'm just saying there wasn't a lot of talent to be working with there either.

Completely agree here. I think Minnesota vastly overperformed last year and people are blaming Flip for the regress but honestly their oline is just bad. I guess Remmers could start at guard for us but that is it - and we dont have a great line. TE is a toss up - numbers almost identical. WR if you go three wide sure they get 2 in but I still like Devante more than the other two. Rodgers is well ahead of Cousins even in a bad year. Rodgers hasnt been great but he doesnt turn the ball over and makes plays with his feet. And he is just a better qb. That leaves rb and I dont see why someone would take Cook over Jones.

The expectations for the Vikings offense were out of whack. Maybe the new guy can find lightening in a bottle like last year

 

[Heyjoe4]

Arguably, yeah, it is.

Two good WR's. An average RB. An average TE. An average to slightly above average QB. A bad OL.

That's it. Certainly Flip could've done a better job, I'm not arguing that he was great at it in Minny. I'm just saying there wasn't a lot of talent to be working with there either.

Good point. Cousins wasn’t the savior he was cut out to be. He’s playing at about the same level as he did in D.C. and maybe a little worse this year. They never have had a ton of talent on O, exceptions include Thielen and Diggs. That hasn’t translated to victories, much less the dominance predicted for this year. They would probably be better off, and with a lot more cap space, had they kept Keenum.

 

[sschind]

This has been my thought for quite awhile. I strongly believe that the new Packer OC might be the more important signing between the 2 coaching positions. Having a HC with less "direct hands on" of Rodgers might be the best approach IMO. Let the new OC and Rodgers establish a good working repertoire and let the HC be free to coach the whole team. At times I think this was McCarthy's downfall, he was so caught up and tied in with what Rodgers and the offense was doing, that he wasn't focused on what was going on with Special Teams or the Defense as well as he should have been.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Believe me I tried but in the end I just couldn't think of anything to add.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Right. And that's what I'm saying-- Vikings fans who think Zimmer should be fired are being stupid.

Agreed. The GM should take most of the blame. They overpaid for Cousins, who has always put up big numbers, but very few meaningful wins. I don’t know what happened to their D this year.

 

[sschind]

Right. And that's what I'm saying-- Vikings fans who think Zimmer should be fired are being stupid.

Fixed it for you.

Just kidding of course (no need to get upset raptor) I just couldn't resist. By the way I do agree with your unedited post.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Haven't seen RaptorMan in awhile.....something important must be happening up their in Minnesota?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Might want to start looking at the Bears coaching staff to poach a coach or 2. I hate to admit it, but I really like what the Bears are doing right now. Creative on both offense and defense and sorry, but Ed Donatell seems to get more out of his secondary than Whitt has.

The play they ran against the Rams the other night on the goal line sealed it for me. They had OL and DLman in the backfield and I think 10 lineman out there, the TD pass ends up going to an OT....creative or what?

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/bears-trick-play-results-in-sowell-td-grab

 

[Mondio]

Ed Donatell, there's a familiar name. LOL I have about 6 other reasons they seem to be more successful right now, but you're probably not interested in them anyway.

and the Bears scored how many points? 13? BFD so they threw it to an offensive lineman. That's not new.

 

[Dantés]

Might want to start looking at the Bears coaching staff to poach a coach or 2. I hate to admit it, but I really like what the Bears are doing right now. Creative on both offense and defense and sorry, but Ed Donatell seems to get more out of his secondary than Whitt has.

The play they ran against the Rams the other night on the goal line sealed it for me. They had OL and DLman in the backfield and I think 10 lineman out there, the TD pass ends up going to an OT....creative or what?

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/bears-trick-play-results-in-sowell-td-grab

I'd prefer to look at the source (KC), where the Bears got Nagy than at his staff.