Post MM firing -- coaching search: who we want -- ALL threads merged

[Mondio]

I think people make too much of "new" offenses. They win by executing. Plain and simple. How innovative did McVay look last night? I don't care if they hire the oldest coaches in the NFL. Get thru to the players and get them to execute as a team and we'll be fine. Every "new" offense gets figured out and then what?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Every "new" offense gets figured out and then what?

Then you change your offense or get fired.

How innovative did McVay look last night?

I would wager to guess that if we see the Bears travel to LA for the playoffs, you will get a chance to see how both young coaches, McVay and Nagy adapt their offenses from the previous game. As well as how you will see a warm weather team executing much better. So there you have it, I mentioned your execution and my change.

 

[Mondio]

I guarantee there will be no new offenses installed between now and the playoffs. And if they don’t get Gurley going again, the results will be similar.

 

[sschind]

While I think many Packer fans feel they want one person or another to coach, I have a feeling the new coach will be someone no one is expecting.

Yup, that's who I want. One person or another .

 

[sschind]

Alot of people want McDaniels but I have a feeling hes been promised Belichick's position.

I hope they back out of that offer.

 

[sschind]

I guarantee there will be no new offenses installed between now and the playoffs. And if they don’t get Gurley going again, the results will be similar.

So you think they will do the same thing that didn't work last night?

 

[Mondio]

So you think they will do the same thing that didn't work last night?

I have no idea what they'll do, but they aren't going to install a new offense and as i've said all year, Gurley makes it go. He didn't go last night and they tee'd off on Goff. The Bears played great defense and Goff looked like a fish out of water much of the night.

 

[swhitset]

I hope they back out of that offer.

honestly....I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. When I am interviewing people, I ask them when they are available to start if they are hired. If they indicate that they are willing to leave their current job with no notice... I will typically move them from the “hire” pile to the “probably not” pile lol.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have no idea what they'll do, but they aren't going to install a new offense and as i've said all year, Gurley makes it go. He didn't go last night and they tee'd off on Goff. The Bears played great defense and Goff looked like a fish out of water much of the night.

I doubt any teams install a whole new offense during a season, but what you do see is adjustments made either during the game or in the second meeting to better attack the other teams defense, who should be adjusting too. Something I don't think Capers or MM were that great at. If those 2 teams meet again, McVay and his offensive coaches probably aren't going to look at the film from last night and just say "well, all we need to do is execute better and we win". They are going to look at what plays worked, what plays didn't and what plays they didn't run that might. They might see a weakness and have to draw up a new play to attack it, but you are right, they aren't going to insert a whole new offense.

 

[Riley82]

I have a feeling Philbin will keep the HC job full time i am not saying i want him to or not.

 

[sschind]

I have no idea what they'll do, but they aren't going to install a new offense and as i've said all year, Gurley makes it go. He didn't go last night and they tee'd off on Goff. The Bears played great defense and Goff looked like a fish out of water much of the night.

There is absolutely no reason for the Rams to change what got them to where they are right now because of one off game against a very tough Bears defense. Adjusting doesn't mean installing a new offense. They need to figure out how to get Gurley going.

I think people make too much of "new" offenses. They win by executing. Plain and simple. How innovative did McVay look last night? I don't care if they hire the oldest coaches in the NFL. Get thru to the players and get them to execute as a team and we'll be fine. Every "new" offense gets figured out and then what?

Defensive players get paid to execute as well. Sometimes it just comes down to who does it better. When you have a great offense and a great defense something usually has to give and I think last night showed that its usually the offense that does. You would think the offense would have the advantage because they know what is going to happen but that isn't always the case.

Then you change your offense or get fired.

I would wager to guess that if we see the Bears travel to LA for the playoffs, you will get a chance to see how both young coaches, McVay and Nagy adapt their offenses from the previous game. As well as how you will see a warm weather team executing much better. So there you have it, I mentioned your execution and my change.

You don't have to change your entire offense you just have to make enough adjustments .

I doubt any teams install a whole new offense during a season, but what you do see is adjustments made either during the game or in the second meeting to better attack the other teams defense, who should be adjusting too. Something I don't think Capers or MM were that great at. If those 2 teams meet again, McVay and his offensive coaches probably aren't going to look at the film from last night and just say "well, all we need to do is execute better and we win". They are going to look at what plays worked, what plays didn't and what plays they didn't run that might. They might see a weakness and have to draw up a new play to attack it, but you are right, they aren't going to insert a whole new offense.

I've always thought that the losing team (be it at halftime or in a second game) has the advantage when it comes to adjustments. What you are doing (or did) didn't work so you do something different. If a team is winning (or wins) big what do they change? Do you change what has been working. What they need to be able to do is anticipate the changes the losing team is going to make and counter them.

Colin Kaepernick ran all over the Packers in the 2013 playoff game. So much so that it caused McCarthy to go ape **** over finding a way to stop it. Guess what, he did. In the next game Kaepernick only rushed for 22 yards. The problem is the 49ers anticipated the Packers adjustments and made a 100 year old WR and an average at best QB look like all pros while McCarthy seemed to overlook the fact that the 49ers might change the way they approached the game.

 

[sschind]

I have a feeling Philbin will keep the HC job full time i am not saying i want him to or not.

I think it would take them winning out in a grand fashion for that to happen and even then I'm not sure it would matter. Murphy has made to much of a big deal about "casting a wide net" etc to make the narrowest possible net cast choice.

 

[rmontro]

I think it would take them winning out in a grand fashion for that to happen and even then I'm not sure it would matter. Murphy has made to much of a big deal about "casting a wide net" etc to make the narrowest possible net cast choice.

I'm sure Philbin will get his chance to interview if he wants it, but that's probably about as far as it will go.
I will say that it was nice to see the Packers actually look like the Packers yesterday though. It's been awhile, so kudos to Philbin on that.

 

[Southside]

I'm sure Philbin will get his chance to interview if he wants it, but that's probably about as far as it will go.
I will say that it was nice to see the Packers actually look like the Packers yesterday though. It's been awhile, so kudos to Philbin on that.

Yes they looked good against a 3 win team, however there is no way Philbin gets the job. He's old. He may not even want the job. I think Lincoln Riley or Pat Fitzgerald would be good choices. Fitzgerald though is not an offensive guru. Riley on the other hand is. NFL coaches come to Oklahoma to consult with Lincoln. He's that good. Most NFL teams with openings for a head coach will be after him. As great as that would be, he is a long shot to land in Green Bay.

Question, would the Packers have to give up draft choices and perhaps other compensation to the NFL team they hire their new head coach from?

 

[Poppa San]

Potential black Monday coaches and staffs:
If Carolina keeps tanking would Ron Rivera become available and desirable?
Arthur Blank going to clean house and let Dan Quinn go?
Dan Snyder have another tantrum and release Jay Gruden?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Question, would the Packers have to give up draft choices and perhaps other compensation to the NFL team they hire their new head coach from?

Short answer, No, as long as the coach isn't under contract. If they are, then you have to refer to their contract and a possible trade may or may not be possible.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have a feeling Philbin will keep the HC job full time i am not saying i want him to or not.

I think you just ate something that didn't agree with you, that feeling will go away.

If TT was still in charge, I might agree with this feeling.

Wait, maybe we have our front office mole? Joe? Is that you?

 

[Croak]

Eric Bieniemy should be the leading candidate to be the next Green Bay Packers Head Coach.

He was a big-time player in college. Spent the entire decade of the '90s in the NFL when many guys don't make it past their rookie contract.

He's been a coach since nearly right when his playing career ended. That's almost two decades of experience at high level college and pro spots. Plus, he's not a retread. Never been a head coach in the NFL.

He's the OC for in my mind the best offense in pro ball. Sure, what McVay has done in LA is impressive, but I think people don't understand the amount of talent the Rams have on their O-Line. They are spending some serious coin to give Goff some bodyguards. That and Todd Gurley is the foundation of that offense. The Chiefs' O-Line is decent enough, but schematically what they do by using space. pace, and match-up identification/isolation IMHO is 2nd to none, including McVay and the Rams. In KC, it's about the QB play and the playmakers complimenting the scheme/the scheme complimenting the playmakers. That translates to what we want/need here in Green Bay.

I'm sure many a Packer fan has watched Mahomes this year vs NE and vs the Rams and thought "Patrick is just Baby Aaron-so why can't MM get Aaron the same easy throws that Andy Reid/Eric Bieniemy get Mahomes?"

There are other reasons why EB is the guy.

Let's not be bashful-as an AA that has played at the highest levels of football, he can relate to a 53-man pro roster in every aspect. There have been reports coming out recently of how EB coached up Adrian Peterson like he was JAG status, emphasizing pass pro to him during those last few seasons in Minny when you know AP HAS NEVER really been obligated to focus on things like that as an ace formation specialist cowbell star back.

So you get a good cop and a bad cop all-in-one to earn the respect/rapport of ALL the players, not just Aaron Rodgers.

That's important.


Another thing that makes EB the guy to me is that we could still go get someone like Kliff Kingsbury/Lincoln Riley from the college ranks to be the OC/QB Coach. Now we have an "Alex Van Pelt" type guy to be AR12's buddy in the QB room and off-the-field that will make sure there is no wide communication gap between Rodgers and Bieniemy. Bieniemy still calls plays but there is a collaborative effort in structuring the offensive game plan between the 3. Aaron feels more empowered but not in a negative way. When Bieniemy needs to reign Aaron in he can-he was a RB, he'll just say "Rodgers-I need to get the playmakers going, get the ball outta your hands quicker haus/just run the screen play like we drew it up" and there won't be all this dissension bs like there has been. And like I said, EB will work with a young OC well. I know it. And why would he feel threatened? Being in GB is a dream for a HC-job security is paramount and you have it there. A guy like Kingsbury or Riley would stay in GB for about 3 seasons and then get his pick of job wherever he wants-and we can just go get the next hot young name rinse and repeat, all while EB is flourishing with AR12 and the boys.

There have also been numerous reports of how the GB Packers' locker room culture is "stuffy". I think hiring someone like EB is great because he can come in and work with Gute/Mark Murphy to put the players first. Let some fresh air come in and let the staleness/stuffiness out. GB will never be mistaken for Dallas in the '90s, but let's try to work on this image we have of not being desirable to FAs. It's not that hard. GB can still be what it always has been and move into the new era. EB would be a PERFECT SHEPHERD for this.

Additionally, hiring EB means you probably have the option of retaining the defensive coaching staff-which to me makes the most sense. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH YOUTH ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE ROSTER/TOO MUCH YOUTH THAT IS ABOUT TO BE BROUGHT IN FOR US TO START OVER AGAIN after changing DCs last season. Mike Pettine has shown me enough improvement with the D to warrant him being retained.

We need as smooth of a transition as possible-we always are a young team, but we have Aaron Rodgers. We don't have any more seasons to waste. We are in reloading stage, not rebuilding.

Eric Bieniemy is our man. And tbh, I think that's why they fired MM yesterday-they know who they want and they aren't gonna lose out on him due to timing concerns. They're gonna get the jump on it. EB is it.

Tl;tr

 

[Southside]

Short answer, No, as long as the coach isn't under contract. If they are, then you have to refer to their contract and a possible trade may or may not be possible.

Have not seen any conversation regarding compensation, but that's how I understood it. I don't think most fans have even given that a thought. Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels signed a new 5 year contract with the New England Patriots last year. From what I've read he is one of the favorites for the Packers head coaching job. He could be quite costly. I suspect the vast majority of NFL candidates are under contract. Do the Packers want to give up this years 2 first round draft picks and possible additional picks in coming years for a coach? I suppose if he's the right guy.

 

[Alex]

Have not seen any conversation regarding compensation, but that's how I understood it. I don't think most fans have even given that a thought. Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels signed a new 5 year contract with the New England Patriots last year. From what I've read he is one of the favorites for the Packers head coaching job. He could be quite costly. I suspect the vast majority of NFL candidates are under contract. Do the Packers want to give up this years 2 first round draft picks and possible additional picks in coming years for a coach? I suppose if he's the right guy.

I thought if coaches are leaving their current position for a higher coaching position they can go to that team without the new team providing their previous employer some sort of compensation.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

I thought if coaches are leaving their current position for a higher coaching position they can go to that team without the new team providing their previous employer some sort of compensation.

This is correct. A team can’t block another team from hiring an assistant under contract if the new position is a promotion.

 

[Southside]

This is correct. A team can’t block another team from hiring an assistant under contract if the new position is a promotion.

Well of course they can't block the hiring. I think we all agree on that.
The issue is compensation. Another poster stated compensation had to be paid if the coach is under contract. So is that true or not? I suspect it may be true.

 

[Alex]

Well of course they can't block the hiring. I think we all agree on that.
The issue is compensation. Another poster stated compensation had to be paid if the coach is under contract. So is that true or not? I suspect it may be true.

What I was saying is I think it's only true if the coach is making a lateral move or lower. If they're moving up, I don't think so.

 

[Southside]

OK well I've been looking and looking and can not find anything that suggests compensation must be paid. So I'm thinking no .

 

[Southside]

What I was saying is I think it's only true if the coach is making a lateral move or lower. If they're moving up, I don't think so.

I was not referring to you. Someone else stated regarding compensation... "Short answer, No, as long as the coach isn't under contract. If they are, then you have to refer to their contract and a possible trade may or may not be possible."

That made me nervous.