Pass Rush in 2017

[Dantés]

The Packers totaled 40 sacks last season. Good for 6th (tie). They broke down like this:

-Nick Perry: 11
-Julius Peppers: 7.5
-Clay Matthews: 5
-Mike Daniels: 4
-Morgan Burnett: 3
-Kyler Fackrell: 2
-Dean Lowry: 2
-Datone Jones: 1
-Jay Elliott: 1
-Blake Martinez: 1
-Micah Hyde: 1
-Haha Clinton-Dix: .5

Obviously sacks are an imperfect measure of pressure, but they do give some indication.

So the Packers have lost 9.5 sacks from this list in guys who have moved on. How to replace it?

Well I don't think it would be fair to project the veteran guys to make up the difference. Perry had a good season and should have another one. But he's not going to be an 18 sack guy. 5-7 from CMIII would be right in line with what I'd expect from him at this point, and 4-5 is just about right for Daniels. No, the made up ground should come from the development of young players and the additions of new ones.

Kyler Fackrell and Dean Lowry have some pass rush talent/ability and are entering their second seasons. Both contributed 2 sacks last year, and a few more would be normal as they continue to get playing time.

Kenny Clark's playing time and quality increased as the season went along. He's never going to be a big time sack artist, but a handful wouldn't be surprising. RJF has also had 2-3 sacks every year going back to 2012.

And then you have the additions of Adams and Biegel. Given their talent, I think a pretty safe floor is to expect that they replace Lowry and Fackrell's production as those two move up in playing time. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Biegel has a nice rookie season.

Just looking at personnel, and barring a huge rash of injuries to the pass rushers, I would expect them to be in the same neighborhood as they were in 2016. Now if the players on the back end stay healthier and play better, that pressure could be put to better effect.

 

[AmishMafia]

I'd rather have Mixon then King so no dispute from me on this and everyone and there brother had RB as a need.

I believe Jamaal Williams was a late round answer to the need so I'm content with the situation. I could nit pick taking the other two but I do like the competition that it breeds drafting 3 after letting it all set in for me a little.

The drop off from mixon to williams probably is not as great as King to whoever was available in the 5th. But I think a franchise impact RB would take us to another level in offense and take a bit of the load from AR.

 

[RRyder]

Even though it appears we have differing opinions on the situation, I appreciated that you responded to me with respect. The only thing I would point out is that in point 2, I meant positional group that the Pack have on D, not the groups in the draft. I was trying to elude to the fact that our LB core is depleted something serious with a bunch of question marks (Clay's health/productivity as an OLB instead of an ILB, Nick being "nicked up" often and gaining a ton of "clean-up" sacks instead of a bunch of them due to him just whipping the guy he was lined up against, Jayrone's health, Fackrell being weak at the point of the attack {remember when he got rag-dolled by that LT and it made national sports TV?}, etc) while our secondary has at the very least more talented/capable bodies with less question marks (Randall and Rollins have a good chance of having comeback years, House might ball out since he's back with Whitt, our safeties are pretty good overall as a unit, etc)

We're Packers fans, so as long as you're not trolling, I'm good with agreeing to disagree at times. Salute, poster.

Here's the thing. I understood what you were saying. My remark about the talent level in the draft was in reference to both OLB and CB being stacked in this draft and as such it would cone down to which position on our team was in greater need of an influx of talent.

While I and most everyone else acknowledge needing another edge guy or two if we were going to look at each positional group in a vacuum pre draft it still comes out with CB being far and away the greatest need going into the draft

OLB: Perry, Mathews, Fackrell and Elliot

Yes we're thin here. Perry has had injury issues but when/if he's healthy is a stud. Mathews body continues to break down but still can be effective in spurts despite that and Fackrell is a pass rusher that, while he didn't light the world on fire his rookie year, showed up well enough for me to believe he can become at least a solid rotational guy which is where I stand on Elliot also.

If Perry goes down for a stretch and Mathews continues to break down yes we were/are dangerously thin here but let's contrast it with the other group in question.

CB: Randall, Rollins Gunter, House and "who the **** cares?"

While I like the signing of House for depth purposes he's not a guy anyone is feeling great about matched up against #1's and only slightly better against #2s. Randall and Rollins, whom I both hold alot more faith in then many around these parts, are huge question marks comming off catastrophic seasons and Gunter whom I also like alot has a ceiling as a solid #3 CB and probably damn good #4 at best.

In other words, barring injury, at least we knew we had 2 legit starting caliber players at OLB pre draft, which is why the discussion was centered around pass rushers for the rotation and depth and not someone to step right into the starting lineup, where as there's a debate going on in whether any of the CBs on the roster pre draft would, in an ideal world, be even capable of filling the #2 or #3 CB slots which is why it's a real possibly that King may very well the CB we match up against other teams #1 WRs when we kick off the season despite his rookie status.

To contrast that even if we had taken someone like Watt early the odds of him working his way into the starting lineup, barring injury, and being more than a rotational piece during his rookie season is significantly lower than a CB like King, not just working his way into the starting lineup, but also possibly being our best CB as early as this season regardless of injuries which is why CB was by far the greatest concern on this team.

That's not me saying how great I think King can/will be but rather an indictment on the current state of CBs despite me being confident in Randall/Rollins bouncing back.

 

[AmishMafia]

I lettered in high school. Played with a bunch of D-1/NFL players in the Midwest and in the South since I moved as a teenager. As a senior was clocked at 4.46. I was good, but not tryna front like I was all-world. But I stand by my football IQ. I've always had it and use it now in other arenas in life, without going into any more detail.

And I don't blindly hate TT. I'm just ready for the younger Wolf to take over as GM. I believe that TT is holding back the team from being what the Patriots have been/are. Able to reload and make the Conference Championship Game every year, instead of just being perennial division champs and not having enough gas to speed through the playoffs. It shows in our lack of ability to get a consistent pass rush over the years, which is why IMO Aaron only has 1 SB ring-and why he made the "all-in" comments after our demise in ATL. The players know more than anyone what is really going on, and reading between the lines it's clear they think TT is a tightwad who is not giving them enough help in good players to compete.

There are people who have played at the college level and even some pro level who post here. There are people who post here who talk to NFL scouts and Packer front office people. There are posters who have a very deep understanding of the NFL, who I have known for many years. Sadly, some never post here anymore because of the ridiculous and hateful ignorant crap that is posted ad nausem at times.

 

[brandon2348]

The drop off from mixon to williams probably is not as great as King to whoever was available in the 5th. But I think a franchise impact RB would take us to another level in offense and take a bit of the load from AR.

We can't go there cause I imagine the pattern of draft picks would of changed and the direction of drafting and possibly utilizing trades could as well. We would of had a 4th and a 5th available that were spent on backs. One example is we could of easily traded up ahead of Seahawks in 3rd and grabbed Shaquill Griffin. Many other options available too.

Like I said I am content with how it played out but we could of easily got Mixon and addressed other needs as well.

 

[pizzle]

Here's the thing. I understood what you were saying. My remark about the talent level in the draft was in reference to both OLB and CB being stacked in this draft and as such it would cone down to which position on our team was in greater need of an influx of talent.

While I and most everyone else acknowledge needing another edge guy or two if we were going to look at each positional group in a vacuum pre draft it still comes out with CB being far and away the greatest need going into the draft

OLB: Perry, Mathews, Fackrell and Elliot

Yes we're thin here. Perry has had injury issues but when/if he's healthy is a stud. Mathews body continues to break down but still can be effective in spurts despite that and Fackrell is a pass rusher that, while he didn't light the world on fire his rookie year, showed up well enough for me to believe he can become at least a solid rotational guy which is where I stand on Elliot also.

If Perry goes down for a stretch and Mathews continues to break down yes we were/are dangerously thin here but let's contrast it with the other group in question.

CB: Randall, Rollins Gunter, House and "who the **** cares?"

While I like the signing of House for depth purposes he's not a guy anyone is feeling great about matched up against #1's and only slightly better against #2s. Randall and Rollins, whom I both hold alot more faith in then many around these parts, are huge question marks comming off catastrophic seasons and Gunter whom I also like alot has a ceiling as a solid #3 CB and probably damn good #4 at best.

In other words, barring injury, at least we knew we had 2 legit starting caliber players at OLB pre draft, which is why the discussion was centered around pass rushers for the rotation and depth and not someone to step right into the starting lineup, where as there's a debate going on in whether any of the CBs on the roster pre draft would, in an ideal world, be even capable of filling the #2 or #3 CB slots which is why it's a real possibly that King may very well the CB we match up against other teams #1 WRs when we kick off the season despite his rookie status.

To contrast that even if we had taken someone like Watt early the odds of him working his way into the starting lineup, barring injury, and being more than a rotational piece during his rookie season is significantly lower than a CB like King, not just working his way into the starting lineup, but also possibly being our best CB as early as this season regardless of injuries which is why CB was by far the greatest concern on this team

I get where you're coming from. I disagree though. You are right about the notion that essentially grabbing a good corner/secondary player early equates to prolly earning more significant snaps on the D vs an OLB who could have been picked by us at like #15 in the 1st round and still might not have seen the field much for whatever reason.

To me, I still would say EDGE rusher was the more pressing need. We have a bunch of bodies in the secondary. We have at least 3 OLBs and 2 ILBs who are kinda injury-prone at varying levels, while really even though Randall was clearly not 100% in his sophomore year I really only worry about Rollins when it comes to injuries. I think Q and #23 are gonna have Davante Adams-esque bounce back years, while Nick could easily regress after a contract year and Clay doesn't look like the Clay-maker anymore, which is scaring me.

This is how I see it. We're missing 9.5 sacks from last year. To start, you can't assume #21 will have another 5 again-since that is a large amount for a FS. I don't have confidence that Blake and Jayrone can even play on the field for enough snaps to get an extra 3 between them besides the 1 they both got last year. Penciling in Kyle and Dean for more than the two they have is kinda pushing it but let's say they each double up on their totals. If everything else stays pat (meaning Nick does not fall off, or Clay picks up for Nick coming back down a bit) then we still prolly are gonna be missing about the exact # of sacks that Peppers gave us last year. When you think about the way the season went last year, most if not all of Julius' sacks came at critical, pivotal times in games. They were all needed, and not garbage time sacks. So while statistically we appear to have a really good pass rush, think about how alot of games ended last year, and how the defense has played since 2011. We give up a bunch of yards/points late in the passing game when we should be able to let the dogs eat and rack up sacks/hits on the QB. Case in point, Matt Barkley putting up a bunch of yards on us in the Bears game at Chicago.

Now, look at our draft this year. I will state this-TT trading down was a good idea. He made a really good pick in King. But he should have taken Jordan Willis over Jones at 61. Yes, Jones looks like a stud/a better football player than Obi Melifonwu with similar physical traits. But we didn't absolutely need to have him. I think we absolutely needed to get a guy like Willis. I don't think Biegel is that guy. He's not good enough to me. That is the biggest screw-up he made, and set us up to not get what we needed at the EDGE position. Adams at 93 was fine tbh. IMO Carl Lawson looks like a faster player off the edge and is more polished as a pass rusher than Biegel. Biegel prolly does other things better/may have better intangibles, but Lawson is also heavier and seems like if all you want is someone to just go get the QB, Lawson is the guy-minus his own injury history. So I would have went with him at 108. To me, 3 backs was excessive and lazy. I would have taken Asiata, the OG from Utah, at 134. Didn't need 2 WRs, either, so let's say they would have grabbed Aaron Jones at 175 instead of 182. We could have gotten Elijah Lee with our comp pick in the 5th, since he didn't go until the 7th. That leaves us with all the other picks that TT made, which STILL includes the higher rated WR Ted got with our last pick, PLUS 2 big EDGE guys that would have been capable of potentially replacing Julius Peppers' sack productivity and a fast inside backer that could move and cover. Then we could also have moved Clay inside permanently to be a WILL-type backer in our 3-4ish 2-4-5 scheme, but still allow him to rush from the "edge" in late passing downs/certain packages. But as we saw in previous seasons, Clay is prolly more effective at this stage in his career/has a better chance of staying on the field by blitzing more thru the A and B gaps/stunting from the inside than taking on OTs from the outside. He would have had a greater chance of helping pick up the 9.5 sacks we lost this way. But because of Ted and his decisions this is all fantasy. The reality is we have to hope that Nick becomes an even more effective pass rusher/stays healthier to get 12-15 sacks, Clay gets back to being the Claymaker, or at least Claymaker Light, and gets 8-10 sacks, and Jayrone and Fackrell get somewhere between 3-5 sacks apiece. Otherwise our pass rush will be worse than it was last year; statistically it'll be somewhere near the middle of the league but on game tape it'll be a disaster. Even with Q and Randall bouncing back, King, Jones, Gunter, + House being solid, and Ha-Ha + Morgan doing their thing we'll look like the 2011 defense. This is why schematically I'm really concerned about our pass rush and upset at Ted. This situation could have been avoided but he CHOSE to put us in it with HIS decisions.

 

[Poppa San]

I get where you're coming from. I disagree though. You are right about the notion that essentially grabbing a good corner/secondary player early equates to prolly get more significant snaps on the D vs an OLB who could have been picked by us at like #15 in the 1st round and still might not have seen the field much for whatever reason.

To me, I still would say EDGE rusher was the more pressing need. We have a bunch of bodies in the secondary. We have at least 3 OLBs and 2 ILBs who are kinda injury-prone at varying levels, while really even though Randall was clearly not 100% in his sophomore year I really only worry about Rollins when it comes to injuries. I think Q and #23 are gonna have Davante Adams-esque bounce back years, while Nick could easily regress after a contract year and Clay doesn't look the Clay-maker anymore, which is scaring me.

This is how I see it....

So what I read is our role players from last year won't be any better this season. Our draft picks will not be effective at all. Only if Ted had picked your guys would we have a much better defense.
I am on record elsewhere here that edge was a higher need than DB as I expect R&R to be better this season as long as they are not injured again. That said, I am not upset with the way the draft played out. This guy instead of that one is just a judgement call.
Capers is supposed to be an expert at developing a pass rush using the bench warmers from Sister Mary's orphanage recess team. But his pass rushes can't work if the QB hits the hot read because our DB's play like they are from the same squad. That and the center of the field is almost always open for a 10-yard crossing pattern when he does blitz. I am on record in the Fire Capers thread to get rid of him. This season IMO is his last excuse.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Making jokes-cute. Trying to insult my football knowledge when I played the game is laughable, but whatever.

No offense, but just because you have played the game, doesn't all of a sudden make you an expert of everything it takes to run an NFL organization. Have you looked at Ted Thompson's resume? He too played the game, in the NFL no less. Matt Millan played the game, but was a terrible GM. Guessing most of the GM's that were successes as well as failures, "played the game". How many ex players are successful coaches? I have been driving for over 25 years, that doesn't automatically qualify me as a mechanic, a drivers Ed Teacher or someone who could build a car.

Even though it appears we have differing opinions on the situation, I appreciated that you responded to me with respect.
We're Packers fans, so as long as you're not trolling, I'm good with agreeing to disagree at times. Salute, poster.

So respect is all you require to respond civilly to people? Otherwise, why bother to listen to their opinion?

I had to list some of the highlights of your first post, just to point out the hypocrisy of what you seem to believe; "I played football, therefore I know more than you, so you should treat me with respect and Ted Thompson isn't capable of running an NFL team"...But you are?

They can't scheme this. This draft is the last straw for me. Anybody that understands football, and is a fan of the Pack/has followed the team for the last few years will understand. This is a FAILURE by football operations to supply the coaches (mainly Dom and Moss) with the tools they need to give us a real legit chance at dominating the league and winning the Super Bowl.

I am so INCENSED with Thompson and his crap. I want to cuss up a storm!

This is ALL Ted's fault. He is the pompous, arrogant, stubborn SOB who would rather draft for 2-4 years ahead to keep the roster salary low instead of loading up to win a chip. He is the senile out-of-touch guy who thinks he is the best scout of defensive backs in the history of mankind, and therefore forgets about the rest of the defense. It's all about HIM and what he wants, not what will help Dom/the team.

It is time for Ted to go.

We're screwed. SMH...

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

And.... Mathis signed with Houston.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And.... Mathis signed with Houston.

I assume you mean Joe Mathis OLB from Washington? That would have been a nice UDFA signing for the Packers. Sounds like a guy who could have been a 1st round talent, had he been able to stay on the field more. Well worth a signing!

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I assume you mean Joe Mathis OLB from Washington? That would have been a nice UDFA signing for the Packers. Sounds like a guy who could have been a 1st round talent, had he been able to stay on the field more. Well worth a signing!

Yes, exactly. I'm kind of pissed about that one as I thought he'd be a great no risk/high reward signing. I would like us to take a shot at Fields, but I doubt it. Carroll Phillips is also gone...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, exactly. I'm kind of pissed about that one as I thought he'd be a great no risk/high reward signing. I would like us to take a shot at Fields, but I doubt it. Carroll Phillips is also gone...

The UDFA market is a tricky one. You are now competing against possibly 31 other teams for a guy. That guy and his agent can sit back and evaluate each offer and decide which one is the best for him. By the speed that most of of the Packer UDFA's were signed, I have to think that a good percentage of them were lined up ahead of the draft. TT seems to look for the small school guys, that he thinks can play at the next level. I got all excited last year when the Packers signed undrafted ILB Beniquez Brown from Mississippi State. He was projected to go pretty high in the draft. But he turned out to be just a fart in the wind. I have to guess that some of these guys from high profile programs, that had decent college careers don't get drafted, because teams discover a major flaw in them that prevents them from taking that next step.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Packers' pass rush next year is going to hinge on Clay Matthews staying healthy, Nick Perry staying healthy (his only healthy year was a contract year, so, that's comforting) and....I'm not real sure where to go from there. Mike Danies is a terrific disruptive force on the dline but he's not an elite pass rusher.

This is one of the bigger reasons I think that the 2015 draft has to be looked at as a big disappointment. Only two years ago the Packers chose two corners at the top of the draft and, two years later, the team was forced to do it again at the cost of passing on guys that might have potentially helped the pass rush like Malik McDowell or TJ Watt or the Packers could have drafted a potential three-down ILB in Zach Cunningham and freed up Matthews to play OLB more often. Instead, because Randall and Rollins didn't develop, the team had to go back to the corner/safety well again.

Packers need to hope that Matthews and Perry can stay healthy all season because if those two are out, the pass rush is going to be pretty poor.

 

[Mondio]

I think getting Beigel in the 4th and King in the 2nd was better than Watt in the first regardless if RandR "developed" or not.

I think a high DB was a high probabliltiy either way if one was on the board. One that many had in the first was there in the 2nd. Good for us.

I think this d has some real potential, we'll see what happens

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think getting Beigel in the 4th and King in the 2nd was better than Watt in the first regardless if RandR "developed" or not.

I think a high DB was a high probabliltiy either way if one was on the board. One that many had in the first was there in the 2nd. Good for us.

I think this d has some real potential, we'll see what happens

That is the part that concerns me and the part that has been discussed for too many years....."Potential". It also is what throws the wrench into the discussion of "Is this TT's inability to draft defense or Capers inability to coach it?" While I am trying to stay optimistic about the Packer defense, how long do you give TT and/or Capers to make good on this potential?

This reminds me of an old 70 Mustang I once had. I kept fixing the exterior of it up, pumping all my time and money into making it look good, one rust spot at a time. Finally, the engine and transmission gave out and I was left with a worthless old car. How long do the Packers keep fixing the defense (outside of car) before the motor and tranny (offense) goes? I guess when you have a turbo charged AR engine, it helps increase the performance of the engine, but how about the rest of the parts?

 

[pizzle]

There are people who have played at the college level and even some pro level who post here. There are people who post here who talk to NFL scouts and Packer front office people. There are posters who have a very deep understanding of the NFL, who I have known for many years. Sadly, some never post here anymore because of the ridiculous and hateful ignorant crap that is posted ad nausem at times.

Thank you for the heads up. I can see what you're talking about already, which is why I may be exiting before I really get a chance to get to see all the rest of the warts.

 

[Dantés]

If any of us, new or otherwise, came out with an ill-conceived, overly long rant, they would catch heat for it. If any of us then, new or otherwise, went on a spree of hitting "disagree" on everyone's posts regardless of content, they would get crushed. This pitty party is tiresome. If you want to join the discourse, do so. If you want to rant, by all means! But count on either be ignored or criticized.

The most thoughtful of posts on this forum, regardless of author, regularly get challenged.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think getting Beigel in the 4th and King in the 2nd was better than Watt in the first regardless if RandR "developed" or not.

I think a high DB was a high probabliltiy either way if one was on the board. One that many had in the first was there in the 2nd. Good for us.

I think this d has some real potential, we'll see what happens

I don't doubt that DB was going to be a high pick in this draft, I just don't think two consecutive picks on that position would have occured if the Rollins or Randall had shown themselves worthy of being drafted where they were. Now, they could (and I hope they do) make big leaps this year and prove that they are high quality players, but the Packers can't go back and trade in their picks this year for other guys at other positions of need. This defense is bereft of quality players and almost the entire pass rush is dependent on two guys who have had serious issues staying healthy for 16 games (has Perry actually ever played 16 games in a season?). Counting on Beigel to help with that is ignoring a ton of history that says guys drafted that late generally don't work out as often as the guys drafted earlier.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that having King, a Jordan Willis and a Randall who played like a first rounder would be really nice.

 

[Dantés]

I don't doubt that DB was going to be a high pick in this draft, I just don't think two consecutive picks on that position would have occured if the Rollins or Randall had shown themselves worthy of being drafted where they were. Now, they could (and I hope they do) make big leaps this year and prove that they are high quality players, but the Packers can't go back and trade in their picks this year for other guys at other positions of need. This defense is bereft of quality players and almost the entire pass rush is dependent on two guys who have had serious issues staying healthy for 16 games (has Perry actually ever played 16 games in a season?). Counting on Beigel to help with that is ignoring a ton of history that says guys drafted that late generally don't work out as often as the guys drafted earlier.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that having King, a Jordan Willis and a Randall who played like a first rounder would be really nice.

So in your opinion, there's a big difference between the potential for immediate contribution between a guy who went 73rd and a guy who went 108th? I'm not disagreeing, just asking. Wondering if that generally proves true.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't doubt that DB was going to be a high pick in this draft, I just don't think two consecutive picks on that position would have occured if the Rollins or Randall had shown themselves worthy of being drafted where they were. Now, they could (and I hope they do) make big leaps this year and prove that they are high quality players, but the Packers can't go back and trade in their picks this year for other guys at other positions of need. This defense is bereft of quality players and almost the entire pass rush is dependent on two guys who have had serious issues staying healthy for 16 games (has Perry actually ever played 16 games in a season?). Counting on Beigel to help with that is ignoring a ton of history that says guys drafted that late generally don't work out as often as the guys drafted earlier.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that having King, a Jordan Willis and a Randall who played like a first rounder would be really nice.

Personally, I think the first 2 picks we saw from TT in this draft, tells you how much confidence he has in Randall and Rollins going forward. With the way he dealt with Free Agency, signing only House and letting Hyde walk, I kind of assumed TT had full confidence in R & R. Those 2 picks tell me different.

 

[PackerDNA]

Personally, I think the first 2 picks we saw from TT in this draft, tells you how much confidence he has in Randall and Rollins going forward. With the way he dealt with Free Agency, signing only House and letting Hyde walk, I kind of assumed TT had full confidence in R & R. Those 2 picks tell me different.

Which makes it all the more perplexing that he didn't seek to address the position more aggressively through free agency or trades.

 

[XPack]

Not really sure on ranking the picks. It should be more on ranking the team after the draft reinforcements.

Overall Offence - Before: A | After A+

Wide Receiver: Before: A | After A+
Running Back: Before: B- | After B+
O-Line: Before: A | After B-​

Overall Defence: Before: B- | After B+

Cornerbacks: Before: C- | After B-
Pass Rush: Before: B- | After B+​

Overall Team: Before: B+ | After A-

 

[Dantés]

Personally, I think the first 2 picks we saw from TT in this draft, tells you how much confidence he has in Randall and Rollins going forward. With the way he dealt with Free Agency, signing only House and letting Hyde walk, I kind of assumed TT had full confidence in R & R. Those 2 picks tell me different.

Just a question-- why would we try and draw inferences on Randall on Rollins over the drafting of Jones?

 

[Mondio]

I think Beigel and Watt are on a similar path. If not for a broken foot I think he would have been higher on most boards after last season. We did draft Fackerell last season as well. He did some things, then got hurt. I have to imagine a year in the NFL is going to help him. I think they have 2 interior guys that are going to help with pressure this year I. Daniels and Clark. Something we haven't had for a while.

I'm not declaring anything fixed, but pass rushers taken high flop all the time too. Maybe these guys do too. I like 3 of the top4 quite a bit, but we know nothing till they play. Until then I like what they bring physically to our defense

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just a question-- why would we try and draw inferences on Randall on Rollins over the drafting of Jones?

There was talk (here) about shifting Rollins over to the same type of roll that Hyde played, I guess I assume that may be where the Packers look to use Jones.

King is an obvious attempt at replacing one of them, or being groomed to replace House if either Randall or Rollins improves from 2016.