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It seems like Cooper could be the best LB to play in GB since CMIII. And he makes Walker better by not forcing Walker to do it all. Wilson and McDuffie play well.

Any update on Walker's injury? It was non-contact I think.
Promising Reports coming out that Walker is Week to Week and haven’t ruled him out. Sounds like a low grade ankle sprain (1-2 weeks)
That’s the great part about Winning is we can begin to go leaning conservative on resting guys that are borderline injured. I think we will Give him a Week off and limit him following week at US Bank would be my guess.
 
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Hard to understand. Watson has been catching the ball very well.
He’s in that 58% area so I’d call that “very well” realm. Sometimes we forget to factor the target depth efficiency

In 2024 Watson also has a near Elite A- grade reception rate at 57%. Considering 12.2 per target (every ball thrown his way 100% averages 12.2 yards). 21.4 yards per catch.

Ceedee Lamb = 7.6 yards/target
Jameson Williams 11.0 yds/target
Davante Adams 8.0 yds/target

Watson #3 in the NFL in yds/tgt 12.2
(Keon Coleman #1, AJ Brown #2)
Watson #2 in the NFL in yds/rec 21.4
(Alec Pierce #1)
(20 receptions minimum)
 
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He’s in that 58% area so I’d call that average realm. Some cans don’t factor the depth of target.

We have to factor catch distance and average per yards to catch reception %

In 2024 MVS has a near elite 56% catch rate but at a career high and Elite level 25.1 yards per reception. That = 14.2 per target which is Elite A grade stuff. For me that’s an A- grade catch rate to C being the average “Mean” when factoring depth of throws.

In 2024 Watson also has a near Elite A- grade reception rate at 57%. Considering 12.2 per target (every ball thrown his way 100% averages 12.2 yards). 21.4 yards per catch. The only problem is him not getting more targets.
Ceedee Lamb = 7.6 yards/target
Jameson Williams 11.0 yds/target

I broke down the historical bests at yards per catch and tried to explain how RARE it is for deep threats to operate even in the mid 60%s for catch percentage and folks just find it too big of a hurdle to accept.

DeSean Jackson was truly one of, if not, the premiere example of rare in high catch percentages while also constantly leading the league in yards per catch due to his deeper than normal targets.
 
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I broke down the historical bests at yards per catch and tried to explain how RARE it is for deep threats to operate even in the mid 60%s for catch percentage and folks just find it too big of a hurdle to accept.

DeSean Jackson was truly one of, if not, the premiere example of rare in high catch percentages while also constantly leading the league in yards per catch due to his deeper than normal targets.
Yes. I didn’t even realize this myself so I’m glad the topic was bright up. I don’t blame someone for something I didn’t even know myself.
20+ receptions
Watson is #3 in the NFL in per target yards achieved (12.2)!
Watson is #2 in the NFL in per Catch achieved (21.4)!

I just remembered going through this argument that the stuff being brought up me and Captain debated on and he was being tough on him coming out of College. I’m not going to revisit thise stats but I 100% remember When I researched it, the games that hurt Watson in College was about usage. When he has 1-2 targets he kinda sucked or was mediocre. When he had 5+ targets he went off the charts. He gets better once warmed up.

Then we factor Love gets hurt earlier? It’s spells lack of usage earlier in the season. If Love was healthy all season Watson is likely a 850-1000 yards guy
and that’s conservative. As it stands he pacing 650-700 yards.
I could see him going off on teams this postseason.

Think about this.
Watson 5 games since our Bye ?

387 yards
77.4 yards per game
(Pacing 1315 per 17 game season)
29.8 per catch!
16.12 per target!
(#1 Keon Coleman leads the YTD at 12.7 per target just for reference)

Wow !! Imagine if he caught that long TD Bomb! He’d be 20 yards per target 33 yards per catch
 
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I’m not going to revisit thise stats but I 100% remember When I researched it, the games that hurt Watson in College was about usage. When he has 1-2 targets he kinda sucked or was mediocre. When he had 5+ targets he went off the charts. He gets better once warmed up.
I noticed something like that, too. The more experience he gets, the better he gets.

I've mentioned this before, but one thing that stand out to me is how little experience Watson still has at catching footballs. From the time where he first started playing organized football in high school up to the beginning of this season, he caught fewer than 200 passes. That's including his first 2 years in the NFL.

Just off the top of my head, CeeDee Lamb had almost beaten that total before he got out of high school, and exceeded that number by well over 50% before he left college - and Davante Adams did as well.

Speaking of Adams, it wasn't until his 4th year in the NFL that Adams had a catch rate as high as Watson's lowest catch rate so far, and the same is true of Donald Driver.

All of these guys had far, far more experience catching footballs before they got to the NFL than Watson did, and that matters a lot. In fact, even in his 3rd year in the league, Watson still has not caught as many passes as any of them had caught before they even got to the NFL. People have to understand, he's still learning how to play - not just how to run the routes, but simply how to track footballs in the air and catch them.

This guy has a very bright future. He's a really nice, positive, hardworking kid, great teammate, no ego at all, and he's getting better and better the more snaps he gets and the more footballs he catches. If he hadn't missed aslmost half of his first 2 seasons with injuries, I think he might be a star by now.

Edit: On a whim, I took a look at some of the Packer receivers also. Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed had both caught more passes by the middle of their senior year in college than Watson has caught in his whole life, and their catch rates are significantly higher than his (several percentage points). Wicks and Melton have caught about the same number of passes in their lives as Watson, and the catch rate for all 3 is within 1.3%.

Honestly, I don't know how much can be read into this. I won't pretend it's earthshaking. But I can't help noticing that among the 5 young WRs on our roster, the more passes each of them has caught over their entire career, the better they seem to be at tracking and catching the football - and that compared to a number of established NFL stars and historical Packer receivers, Watson's numbers hold up very well. Several of the WRs Packers fans have loved over the years took longer than Wtson has taken to where he already is today.
 
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I noticed something like that, too. The more experience he gets, the better he gets.

I've mentioned this before, but one thing that stand out to me is how little experience Watson still has at catching footballs. From the time where he first started playing organized football in high school up to the beginning of this season, he caught fewer than 200 passes. That's including his first 2 years in the NFL.

Just off the top of my head, CeeDee Lamb had almost beaten that total before he got out of high school, and exceeded that number by well over 50% before he left college - and Davante Adams did as well.

Speaking of Adams, it wasn't until his 4th year in the NFL that Adams had a catch rate as high as Watson's lowest catch rate so far, and the same is true of Donald Driver.

All of these guys had far, far more experience catching footballs before they got to the NFL than Watson did, and that matters a lot. In fact, even in his 3rd year in the league, Watson still has not caught as many passes as any of them had caught before they even got to the NFL. People have to understand, he's still learning how to play - not just how to run the routes, but simply how to track footballs in the air and catch them.

This guy has a very bright future. He's a really nice, positive, hardworking kid, great teammate, no ego at all, and he's getting better and better the more snaps he gets and the more footballs he catches. If he hadn't missed aslmost half of his first 2 seasons with injuries, I think he might be a star by now.

Edit: On a whim, I took a look at some of the Packer receivers also. Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed had both caught more passes by the middle of their senior year in college than Watson has caught in his whole life, and their catch rates are significantly higher than his (several percentage points). Wicks and Melton have caught about the same number of passes in their lives as Watson, and the catch rate for all 3 is within 1.3%.

Honestly, I don't know how much can be read into this. I won't pretend it's earthshaking. But I can't help noticing that among the 5 young WRs on our roster, the more passes each of them has caught over their entire career, the better they seem to be at tracking and catching the football - and that compared to a number of established NFL stars and historical Packer receivers, Watson's numbers hold up very well. Several of the WRs Packers fans have loved over the years took longer than Wtson has taken to where he already is today.
That’s very realistic. I could even see 1 of our WR or TE elevating to another plateau by our Wilcard. It’s still another 4 games and they’ve had that continuity a near full season to acclimate.
Theirs IS a disadvantage of young players. They take longer to prime than a Veteran Receiver.
THIS is the strategic advantage of young guys. Once they acclimate their play elevates over expected.

This is part of the reason Jordan looks so good late season. It’s not just him but he gets the credit. Shhhhh. Let other teams find out during NFC game or SB.
 
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He’s in that 58% area so I’d call that “very well” realm. Sometimes we forget to factor the target depth efficiency

In 2024 Watson also has a near Elite A- grade reception rate at 57%. Considering 12.2 per target (every ball thrown his way 100% averages 12.2 yards). 21.4 yards per catch.

Ceedee Lamb = 7.6 yards/target
Jameson Williams 11.0 yds/target
Davante Adams 8.0 yds/target

Watson #3 in the NFL in yds/tgt 12.2
(Keon Coleman #1, AJ Brown #2)
Watson #2 in the NFL in yds/rec 21.4
(Alec Pierce #1)
(20 receptions minimum)
The test for Watson will be the crunch time and critical down plays. Focus on making the catch before running. Protect the ball. Get the first down before the TD.
 

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Since the bye....

24 Targets / 15 Receptions / 387 Yards / No Drops / 25.8 Yards Per Catch.......INSANE clip he is on right now when used.


Truth be told...he and Doubs are both making it hard for Gute to decide what to do with their futures...and Reed/Wicks/Kraft/Musgrave for that matter because what he does with them for sure will impact them as well.
Just curious as to what you think it would take to extend both of them (Doubs and Watson) this off season and do you think the Packers should do it. Of course you also have to look ahead to next season with Reed and possibly even Wicks if he can get it figured out.
 

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