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There’s only 1 scenario that we could lose a playoff spot. From here out …

Packers go 0-3
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LA Rams or Seattle goes 3-0

Don't think it is that. LA is 3-0 they win the division I believe.

I Believe the only way they miss right now is if they go 0-3 and Atl goes 4-0 OR they go 0-3 and Sea/Stl go 2-0 and the St Louis / Sea game ends in a Tie.
 

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I’m also watching Lloyd closely. We should know which direction we go very soon.
That is one player who has the potential to be a serious difference-maker if he comes back fully healthy. I don't mean to sound as though I'm holding out false hopes, but you get a running back of his ability into the lineup at the end of the season when everyone on both sides of the ball are beat up and hurting, and he can surprise some defenses. Could make a dynamic one-two punch with Jacobs.

Of course, I am probably biased. I was a huge fan of Lloyd very early in the run-up to the draft, and was thrilled when we called his name in the 3rd. I really believe this guy is going to be one of the top RBs to come out of this class. Maybe not Barry Sanders, but the perfect compliment to our offense.
 

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Don't think it is that. LA is 3-0 they win the division I believe.

I Believe the only way they miss right now is if they go 0-3 and Atl goes 4-0 OR they go 0-3 and Sea/Stl go 2-0 and the St Louis / Sea game ends in a Tie.
I like the Rams. I hope they win their division. Packers have the easiest schedule in the North going forward. Vikings have to play their best to beat Packers with the Pack's win tonight. If the Packers play like they've played the last two weeks, I think they can tie the Viqueens.
 

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Drives me crazy. He’s the softest coach in the league with a lead. Pathetic. Another wasted possession and t o.
I remember earlier in the year when a Packer player made a comment about Detroit (I think it was McKinney - which surprised me since he was a free agent signing) and I thought what a ridiculous comment. I'll take Campbell over Matt any day when it comes to winning attitude. It seems when the Packers get a lead, they change their whole demeanor. It's a similar attitude for Love, he gets sloppy in his decision making. It won't matter if they make the playoffs. good teams play better than that. Super Bowl teams play to win. No team gets accolades for playing like little league children trying to be nice to their opponents. That's how they get eliminated from a divisional or conference playoff game. It's amazing how a coach can come up with an effective offensive scheme and then fail to call a good game when the team is in the red zone or has the lead.
 

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Game balls to Doubs & Edge Cooper.
Doubs and Reed should be the starting receivers. Watson can't catch or stay on the field. He and Love carry themselves the same way, overconfident with no acknowledgement of how often they screw up. Love doesn't have the durability or physical skills of Favre and he doesn't have the mental ability or arm of Aaron Rodgers. If the Packers want to win it all, LaFleur has to sit Love down and get real with him. I would have pulled Love as soon as he started throwing sloppy. LaFleur should have a plan B (Malik) when Love loses mental control. Like so many QBs in the game, he's proving he's overpaid. He's only played one year as a starter and he acts like he's too good to continue to play at his best. It's not like he played four years to earn that contract. He should play like he knows he has to get better and not like he can coast backwards to the first half of last year.
 

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He and Love carry themselves the same way, overconfident with no acknowledgement of how often they screw up. Love doesn't have the durability or physical skills of Favre and he doesn't have the mental ability or arm of Aaron Rodgers. If the Packers want to win it all, LaFleur has to sit Love down and get real with him. I would have pulled Love as soon as he started throwing sloppy. LaFleur should have a plan B (Malik) when Love loses mental control. Like so many QBs in the game, he's proving he's overpaid. He's only played one year as a starter and he acts like he's too good to continue to play at his best.

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I'll agree with the durability of Favre (who does) and the mental ability of Rodgers (although I think that got in his way sometimes), but the rest is just.. no. Sorry. Not agreeing with the rest.

Love is not getting pulled for Malik and no idea where the 'he is acting too good/overconfidence' stuff comes from. As for salary, whether you like it or not, he is getting the going contract rate for QBs.
 

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You make some really good points, i think.

I had some time to kill the other day, and broke down some numbers. I was a little surprised to see that statistically, Love is having a somewhat better season than last year overall. There are a couple of areas where he's dropped off a bit (INTs, for example), but by and large certainly comparable and maybe a bit better - especially when you consider the injuries.

But that's just speaking statistically. If you go by watching the games, it doesn't look as though he's a better QB. It looks as though he's taken a step back, in fact. I think what we're seeing here is that he's still making a lot of the brilliant plays he was making the second half of last season - but his consistency is lacking. Because he's making more mediocre plays than he did last year, as well.

FWIW, his QB rating is up slightly from last year, and is 128.53 so far tonight (and 96-something for the season). He's got some kinks to work out in his second year, and I honestly think part of the problem is he is trying some things that he wouldn't have risked last season. And finding out the hard way which of those things work and which don't.

Hopefully he works that out of his system by January.

Edit: and I think part of the reason that a lot of us feel a little disappointed in him was because after the way he finished last year, we were expecting a lot more of him this season - a huge leap forward. And for whatever reason or reasons, that simply did not happen.

So even though he's probably a better quarterback than he was last season, he's not as good as we expected him to be this year. But when we measure him, he seems to come up short because we're not comparing him to who he was in 2023 - we're comparing him to who as lot of us expected him to be in 2024. And he ain't that man.


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Oh, Matt, come on... give Jacobs his 100 yard game. He's earned it, and he's only 6 yards short.
I agree about Love. There just is no improvement from last year. That first half today was impressive for the team, but there is lack of concentration and execution when they get a lead. It seems to emanate from LaFleur and this play nice attitude. The Packers will not be successful in the playoffs with this socially correct demeanor. So much for professional players and coaches in a multi-billion dollar business. Regular season records are meaningless in NFL history. This is a new way not to win they can add to not drafting offensive skill players in the first round or defensive players that are not actually first round talent. I thought they had a great draft last year with the exception of their first round pick and their second pick in the third round.
 
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That is one player who has the potential to be a serious difference-maker if he comes back fully healthy. I don't mean to sound as though I'm holding out false hopes, but you get a running back of his ability into the lineup at the end of the season when everyone on both sides of the ball are beat up and hurting, and he can surprise some defenses. Could make a dynamic one-two punch with Jacobs.

Of course, I am probably biased. I was a huge fan of Lloyd very early in the run-up to the draft, and was thrilled when we called his name in the 3rd. I really believe this guy is going to be one of the top RBs to come out of this class. Maybe not Barry Sanders, but the perfect compliment to our offense.
Well I think having a substantial 1-2 punch at RB becomes more valuable in Postseason. We’ve seen how quickly that even a Rookie RB can produce at the NFL level. This year several 2024 drafted RB’s have played well basically out of the gate. Lloyd is a YAC monster and he is a dual threat RB. He’s really a poor mans Adrian Peterson and that’s not an insult. I think Lloyd will be a top 20 RB fairly quickly once he gets playing time. I think Jacobs is a Top 3 RB imo. Their combined playoff punch has potential to be better than Jones/Williams or Lacy/Starks and I’m talking fairly quickly. If Lloyd can’t go he can’t go I’m not going to cry. Marshawn is better than Emmanuel Wilson and make no mistake, I think Wilson is a good complimentary RB. That RB trio would be an easy Top 3-5 in the league that’s stacked at high end RB’s.
 

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I'll agree with the durability of Favre (who does) and the mental ability of Rodgers (although I think that got in his way sometimes), but the rest is just.. no. Sorry. Not agreeing with the rest.

Love is not getting pulled for Malik and no idea where the 'he is acting too good/overconfidence' stuff comes from. As for salary, whether you like it or not, he is getting the going contract rate for QBs.
After one year of a half bad, half good season and blowing it in the playoffs by throwing a pick when there was plenty of time on the clock to take the time to move down the field. As for the look, unfortunately those cameras zoom in on Qbs after a pick or bad throws and I don't see any reaction in his face or Watson and I don't see any improvement in their play. Malik has already replaced him during injuries with LaFleur's effective game plan. I don't care what he's getting paid, if they really want to win. The market definitely determined his pay, but it didn't improve his play and decision skills. I think this a coaching style problem. Why should overpaid quarterbacks not be replaced when they lose their focus. Just look at the highly paid QBs or starting QBs around the league who get benched (D. Jones, Will Levis, Jameis Winston). If the Packers want to go all the way, LaFleur has to acknowledge the reality of Love's play and be ready to change strategy like any other part of the game. Of course, LaFleur also has to recognize his play calling flaws in the red zone and when they get the lead. No killer instinct. Play to the whistle, not the lead. Two Pro Bowl QBs, one in the HOF and one expected to be in the HOF and one SB each. All that effort to win the division or make it to the playoffs and all that draft capital wasted on defense. There's a lack of recognition of what it takes to go all the way and how they need to change to go all the way. I just look at Detroit and their turn around. They play with determined aggression. They play hungry. The Packers showed it in the first half and then backed off in the second.
 

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Well I think having a substantial 1-2 punch at RB becomes more valuable in Postseason. We’ve seen how quickly that even a Rookie RB can produce at the NFL level. This year several 2024 drafted RB’s have played well basically out of the gate. Lloyd is a YAC monster and he is a dual threat RB. He’s really a poor mans Adrian Peterson and that’s not an insult. I think Lloyd will be a top 20 RB fairly quickly once he gets playing time. I think Jacobs is a Top 3 RB imo. Their combined playoff punch has potential to be better than Jones/Williams or Lacy/Starks and I’m talking fairly quickly. If Lloyd can’t go he can’t go I’m not going to cry. Marshawn is better than Emmanuel Wilson and make no mistake, I think Wilson is a good complimentary RB. That RB trio would be an easy Top 3-5 in the league that’s stacked at high end RB’s.
I liked Lloyd going in to the draft last year and was surprised when the Packers selected him. I thought he had a similar style to Aaron Jones. I like the running backs they have, but I don't think they usually utilize them enough in every game. Seattle stopped the inside runs in the second half and the Packers should have responded more screens and swing passes to the backs.
 

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Love is not getting benched.

Unless you have some intimate details not sure how you can say he 'lost his focus' or 'didn't see any reaction' which basically insinuates he doesn't care. While I'm sure Love took alot of things positive from Rodgers I have no doubt he also learned what not to do and that was to not have your emotions that evident on errors (either personal or someone else)

And if you think Love is on the level of Jones, Levis, Winston then I don't know what to say.

Sounds like some of your unresolved angst is at the Packers only having 2 SBs in 30 years and you suddenly think Love isn't going to bring the Packers more. Personally, I do.
 
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Lafleur needs to coach better, as well. That end of the first half garbage & wasting all that time needs to stop. They would have had plenty of time, plus a time out, to score a td there. If you want to be aggressive, BE AGGRESSIVE! Stop that chicken **** 4th down fake ****! Nobody falls for it! His 4th down play calls, when they actually do go for it, have been atrocious! Finally, fire your challenge guy, or hand that duty to someone else, he obviously has no clue!
 

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What’s up @Pkrjones! Let’s get some redemption in Seattle. A Win at their house in a tough venue would speak volumes about our current status.

I’m excited about this one. I used to fear Seattle with Wilson. My gut tells me we are a better team after much analysis. I’m fully aware it’s not an ideal venue. However, If we show up to play?
I think we win by 1 TD and Seattle is Wildcard level.
It seems like Cooper could be the best LB to play in GB since CMIII. And he makes Walker better by not forcing Walker to do it all. Wilson and McDuffie play well.

Any update on Walker's injury? It was non-contact I think.
 

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It seems like Cooper could be the best LB to play in GB since CMIII. And he makes Walker better by not forcing Walker to do it all. Wilson and McDuffie play well.

Any update on Walker's injury? It was non-contact I think.
Little different than Mahommes.
 

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Solid game.
What I'm starting to realize, is that the Packers are not the team of my youth. They are not a QB driven team.
They don't need Love to play like a Hall of Famer. They just need him to execute the plays that MLF draws out. And he seems coachable.
Hopefully he can clean up the bad decisions.
And Watson seems like he is what he is. He has bad hands compared to other WRs but his speed will keep him around.
Great game for Doubs.
Absolutely love the fact that LaFleur is running the ball more. A lot of NFL teams are still very vulnerable to the run. Shortage of stout defensive tackles and little LB's still can be exploited by good running games.
 

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Watson may not be a natural wide receiver with great instincts but one thing people are not taking into consideration is the hidden yardage he provides by drawing long PI penalties. He's an extremely dangerous threat if a CB doesn't have safety help, and DC's around the league know it.
 

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Watson may not be a natural wide receiver with great instincts but one thing people are not taking into consideration is the hidden yardage he provides by drawing long PI penalties. He's an extremely dangerous threat if a CB doesn't have safety help, and DC's around the league know it.

Since the bye....

24 Targets / 15 Receptions / 387 Yards / No Drops / 25.8 Yards Per Catch.......INSANE clip he is on right now when used.


Truth be told...he and Doubs are both making it hard for Gute to decide what to do with their futures...and Reed/Wicks/Kraft/Musgrave for that matter because what he does with them for sure will impact them as well.
 

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That is one player who has the potential to be a serious difference-maker if he comes back fully healthy. I don't mean to sound as though I'm holding out false hopes, but you get a running back of his ability into the lineup at the end of the season when everyone on both sides of the ball are beat up and hurting, and he can surprise some defenses. Could make a dynamic one-two punch with Jacobs.

Of course, I am probably biased. I was a huge fan of Lloyd very early in the run-up to the draft, and was thrilled when we called his name in the 3rd. I really believe this guy is going to be one of the top RBs to come out of this class. Maybe not Barry Sanders, but the perfect compliment to our offense.
Honestly, that's basically what Jones did last season for us. Missed multiple games in the middle of the season, got healthy, and helped with the playoff push.
 

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Watson may not be a natural wide receiver with great instincts but one thing people are not taking into consideration is the hidden yardage he provides by drawing long PI penalties. He's an extremely dangerous threat if a CB doesn't have safety help, and DC's around the league know it.
He tends to make the difficult easy and the easy difficult.
 

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Honestly, that's basically what Jones did last season for us. Missed multiple games in the middle of the season, got healthy, and helped with the playoff push.
Jones got hurt Week One last season against the Bears. Battled through a lot to get back on the field in one piece.
 

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Those that blast Watson as drop prone…I’ve stressed a lot how so many overlook the fact that Reed has struggled more and of course Wicks but so has my favorite Doubs. Since start of last season here’s some drop percentages:

Wicks 11.3%
Reed 8.8%
Doubs 7.7%
Watson 4.7%

Puka 8.7%
Tee 7.3%
Pickens 6.8%
Mike Evans 5.9%
JSN 5.9%
 

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Those that blast Watson as drop prone…I’ve stressed a lot how so many overlook the fact that Reed has struggled more and of course Wicks but so has my favorite Doubs. Since start of last season here’s some drop percentages:

Wicks 11.3%
Reed 8.8%
Doubs 7.7%
Watson 4.7%

Puka 8.7%
Tee 7.3%
Pickens 6.8%
Mike Evans 5.9%
JSN 5.9%
Hard to understand. Watson has been catching the ball very well.
 

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