Packers vs Lions Game Thread: Another Thursday Game Edition

[melvin dangerr]

Officials have let Detroit get away with a lot of hands to the face penalties that were not called

 

[melvin dangerr]

Cmon Watson, a penalty this close to the end zone just cost GB 6 and maybe the game

 

[melvin dangerr]

Had the game and BLEW IT, couldn’t make stops couldn’t, finish the Lions off, WOW! Detroit is the new Packers Owner now

 

[Old Guy]

Folks,
I appreciate your enthusiasm and hope the Packers go on a run in the playoffs, if they get there. But the last 4 years they are 2-6 against the Lions. That is not being close, that is getting your arses kicked. The one football truism the Packers have not learned is that it all starts up front. They are not strong enough or physical enough to win these games. Matt LeFleur is bringing fancy cocktail toothpicks to a club fight

Defensively, they can't cover a pass and they have trouble getting home rushing the passer in their base look.. A lot of first rounders are on the defense and yet no one is dominating. Their past coverage is horrendous. The techniques the D-backs are showing leave a lot to be desired. I don't understand how other teams can bring in guys off the street as D-backs and they stick to the wide receivers yet the Packers have these guys all year long and receivers are wide open. Realistically, did you think the Packers were going to stop the Lions on that last drive? I didn't..

Offensively, LaFleur called a bad game. His offensive line at times opens some holes,but he quickly leaves the running game. Again their lack of strength hurt them pass protecting. They continually got shoved right back into Love's face. And the penalties and turnovers continue to mount.

Did .LaFleur say he thought Watson and Walker had a good games? If he did, I think his definition of good and my definition of good are not the same. I don't think fumbling, getting offensive pass interference calls and personal foul calls is playing a good game. it goes back to being smart out there.

By the way, did you notice that after the Lions shoved the Packers seven yards down field on that last fourth down run, the Lion's o linemen mimicked the Packers money slap and first down signal? That was them basically telling them in your face and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Old Guy]

Best watch out. The 5 loss teams re now smelling a chance. I didn't think Love was particularly great today, again. He had a drive that had to get a td. Ran on a long 3 and goal and missed an open receiver. Running he had no chance.
Dback coach should be gone at the end of the year. Not physical enough, poor pass d techniques, Receivers wide open all game. Too many 1st rounders who are just ordinary easily replaceable guys..No impact. With where they were drafted, this should be the number 1 d in football. 4 losses is a letdown, especially with 3 out of 4 divisional games lost. No signature win yet this year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Folks,
I appreciate your enthusiasm and hope the Packers go on a run in the playoffs, if they get there. But the last 4 years they are 2-6 against the Lions. That is not being close, that is getting your arses kicked. The one football truism the Packers have not learned is that it all starts up front. They are not strong enough or physical enough to win these games. Matt LeFleur is bringing fancy cocktail toothpicks to a club fight

Defensively, they can't cover a pass and they have trouble getting home rushing the passer in their base look.. A lot of first rounders are on the defense and yet no one is dominating. Their past coverage is horrendous. The techniques the D-backs are showing leave a lot to be desired. I don't understand how other teams can bring in guys off the street as D-backs and they stick to the wide receivers yet the Packers have these guys all year long and receivers are wide open. Realistically, did you think the Packers were going to stop the Lions on that last drive? I didn't..

Offensively, LaFleur called a bad game. His offensive line at times opens some holes,but he quickly leaves the running game. Again their lack of strength hurt them pass protecting. They continually got shoved right back into Love's face. And the penalties and turnovers continue to mount.

Did .LaFleur say he thought Watson and Walker had a good games? If he did, I think his definition of good and my definition of good are not the same. I don't think fumbling, getting offensive pass interference calls and personal foul calls is playing a good game. it goes back to being smart out there.

By the way, did you notice that after the Lions shoved the Packers seven yards down field on that last fourth down run, the Lion's o linemen mimicked the Packers money slap and first down signal? That was them basically telling them in your face and there's nothing you can do about it.

I agree with most of your points OG. One difference - I don't think MLF called a bad game. The D just couldn't get off the field so that's on Hafley and the players. And don't get me wrong, MLF didn't call a great or even good game either. He was outcoached.

The biggest mistake MLF made all night was losing a time out on a ball placement challenge. Those TOs can win games and that was a folly. Placement calls are very subjective and rarely over turned.

The big surprise for me was how aggressive The Lions were on D to start the game with a lot of blitzes. Love looked rushed many times. MLF figured it out before half, but in a three-point loss, that's too long.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Best watch out. The 5 loss teams re now smelling a chance. I didn't think Love was particularly great today, again. He had a drive that had to get a td. Ran on a long 3 and goal and missed an open receiver. Running he had no chance.
Dback coach should be gone at the end of the year. Not physical enough, poor pass d techniques, Receivers wide open all game. Too many 1st rounders who are just ordinary easily replaceable guys..No impact. With where they were drafted, this should be the number 1 d in football. 4 losses is a letdown, especially with 3 out of 4 divisional games lost. No signature win yet this year.

They need to get back on the horse and win out, and that's very possible. Even at 13-4 they could be a 5th or 6th seed.

And the CBs are woeful. Gluten revamped the S group in the offseason. He has to do the same with the CBs.

 

[gopkrs]

Well watching game replay and only Jacob’s in this first half has been a spark on offense, the rest stink like my outside thrash, stupid penalties again, DB getting passed on all over the place, MLF looking lost, oh dumb challenge also, 2nd half coming up

I don't think it was a dumb challenge. Even after the replay; I was not sure he made the first. The ball was almost at his waist. imho

 

[gopkrs]

The biggest mistake MLF made all night was losing a time out on a ball placement challenge. Those TOs can win games and that was a folly. Placement calls are very subjective and rarely over turned.

That was in the 1st half and didn't affect the game. And I thought it might have been a good challenge. I really did not like, and thought it cost us more, when we had to call a timeout because we were not ready to snap it. Not sure it was worth it either since it was 3rd and 9. I noticed towards the end we did not have much time to snap the ball on several plays. Yes, the crowd was loud. But we should be more prepared than that.

 

[Magooch]

I have to ask: What would you say is our "signature win" for this season so far?

On one hand you could say hey - we've played the top 3 teams in the NFC and lost by only a combined 20 points.
On the other hand you could say - we've yet to beat a top team

But, hey, one thing we've got going for us - it's kind of a cliche, but it's awfully hard to beat the same team three times in a season and we're moving the right direction. If we face DET again who knows.

 

[OldSchool101]

Folks,
I appreciate your enthusiasm and hope the Packers go on a run in the playoffs, if they get there. But the last 4 years they are 2-6 against the Lions. That is not being close, that is getting your arses kicked. The one football truism the Packers have not learned is that it all starts up front. They are not strong enough or physical enough to win these games. Matt LeFleur is bringing fancy cocktail toothpicks to a club fight

Hey @Old Guy. Listen sometimes the criticism is warranted, I think it can drive you to get better by looking to bolster weaknesses.
That said, Let’s not act like we just got blown out. Green Bay was winning at 14 minutes left in Qtr 4. Then We were were 2nd n Goal at the Detroit 6 and had it not been for Watson throwing an obvious block before the ball came out and erasing a TD for a -10 yard flag? It’s 35-31 GB with 3:38 left. That’s a pretty close game and even after a self inflicted -10 by us the only reason Detroit won is they did what I preach. They used clock management properly and had the ball last. Had there been 5:38 left vs 3:38 gameclock? Different story and I said that Real Time after the FG In the Game thread. It’s just how football works timing is everything. We needed 3 timeouts and 5+ min left. We had 2 TO and 3:30 left in a back n forth Prize fight. The recipe for disaster with 2 good offenses. I says it in the NFC game live. Don’t give that ball back to Brady. You got 4 tries to get 8 yards and use a TO if needed to do so. but we played it like 3 plays and Went Softy.

Too many 1st rounders who are just ordinary easily replaceable guys..No impact. With where they were drafted, this should be the number 1 d in football. 4 losses is a letdown, especially with 3 out of 4 divisional games lost. No signature win yet this year.

In fairness. We have 6 Day 1 selections that are starters this year.
1 Was ruled Out
Kenny, Rashan and Wyatt all played good against a Top 5 OL.

Stokes is the Weakest link imo.

PS.
Houston held Lions Run
3.3 per 105 yards and lost by 3 points

GB held Lions Run
3.3 per 111 yards and lost by 3 points

 

[DoURant]

I have to ask: What would you say is our "signature win" for this season so far?

On one hand you could say hey - we've played the top 3 teams in the NFC and lost by only a combined 20 points.
On the other hand you could say - we've yet to beat a top team

But, hey, one thing we've got going for us - it's kind of a cliche, but it's awfully hard to beat the same team three times in a season and we're moving the right direction. If we face DET again who knows.

Probably the Texans, who were 5-1 when we played them. Silver lining, Packers don't have a bad loss, as they beat everyone they " should have". When your only loses are to teams currently ahead you, that means you are doing something right. Sure wish they could have won at least one of Minny, Philly, or last night.

 

[pacmaniac]

I have to ask: What would you say is our "signature win" for this season so far?

On one hand you could say hey - we've played the top 3 teams in the NFC and lost by only a combined 20 points.
On the other hand you could say - we've yet to beat a top team

But, hey, one thing we've got going for us - it's kind of a cliche, but it's awfully hard to beat the same team three times in a season and we're moving the right direction. If we face DET again who knows.

The Packers are 1-4 against teams with winning records this season, and they just barely beat Houston.

Also, everyone likes to say it's tough to beat a team 3 times in one season, but that's a myth. There's been 24 occasions in NFL history where one team went 2-0 against another team in the regular season, and then they faced each other in the playoffs. The team that went 2-0 won the playoff game 15 out of those 24 times.

Busting the Myth that It's Hard to Beat a Team Three times in a Season

The idea that it's hard to beat a team three time in the NFL hasn't held up on the field

www.si.com

 

[milani]

He needs to fire whoever tells him to challenge plays!

I thought that as well. I believe he figured the Lions were going to hurry it up and since our D was on its heels it might bide them enough time to regroup. Little did we know we needed it in the last minute.

 

[Magooch]

Also, everyone likes to say it's tough to beat a team 3 times in one season, but that's a myth. There's been 24 occasions in NFL history where one team went 2-0 against another team in the regular season, and then they faced each other in the playoffs. The team that went 2-0 won the playoff game 15 out of those 24 times.

I don't really know if I'd call that myth "busted" then, if that's the case. I would wager that in almost every instance the team who went 2-0 in the regular season was almost certainly favored to win in the third matchup. And if a "favorite" is roughly 60/40 in those matches...that would suggest to me that yeah, it is kinda tough to do it three times, no?

 

[OldSchool101]

I feel the need to remind everyone that as long as we qualify for postseason? Everyone starts at 0-0

As long as we find ways to make slight improvements we will be dangerous to anyone, including Detroit. If GB plays just a little better than Thursday, such as 1 more scoring Drive or 1 more drive stop? They can go toe to toe with anyone imo.

 

[rmontro]

As long as we find ways to make slight improvements we will be dangerous to anyone, including Detroit. If GB plays just a little better than Thursday, such as 1 more scoring Drive or 1 more drive stop? They can go toe to toe with anyone imo.

Yeah, we're close. But you know what they say: Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I thought that as well. I believe he figured the Lions were going to hurry it up and since our D was on its heels it might bide them enough time to regroup. Little did we know we needed it in the last minute.

I'm just not crazy about challenging ball placement. Ball placement is subjective to begin with, and unless it is an obviously bad placement, challenging over anything less than a yard is unlikely to work.

Maybe you're right and it was used like a TO. I'd still rather save TOs for the last two minutes of a half.

 

[Magooch]

I didn’t really get that one either, because as I recall even if it was a successful challenge we’re looking at 4th and inches rather than a first down. Odds are they’d go out and convert it anyways, so what’s the point? I mean, I get that you want to give your guys a chance, but I’d think you’d want to choose a potentially more “impactful” spot for that…

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn’t really get that one either, because as I recall even if it was a successful challenge we’re looking at 4th and inches rather than a first down. Odds are they’d go out and convert it anyways, so what’s the point? I mean, I get that you want to give your guys a chance, but I’d think you’d want to choose a potentially more “impactful” spot for that…

Good point. Campbell is an aggressive play caller, and it mostly works. It also helps that he has the players to execute those plays.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah, we're close. But you know what they say: Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

True. Except with Hand grenades and Horseshoes you rarely are good enough to get 3 tries. The only W or L that really matters is the time you meet in Postseason. Once you get a W in the playoffs, the memory of those first 2 losses will fade like a fart in a strong breeze. Get a Win in our 3rd meeting? Not saying those first 2 losses won’t still stink somewhere, just not here anymore!