Packers sign TE Jared Cook

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Settle down a bit. Don't be going all Viking fan crazy on us. Around here we don't celebrate perceptually winning the off season. We wait until the Lombardi's are on their way to the trophy case.

Or, as they post another winning season, win another North championship, enter another playoff game, et. al. Agree that Pack fans don't generally jump the gun as quickly as others, but I think I'd be able to find some "this is our year/time" posts since 2010. :)
 

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Hope he finds some motivation and excels. Not a fan of bringing guys in who are said to be lazy. Rather have guys who are enthusiastic and just love playing football.

Hope the rumors are false or he suddenly changes his ways.
 
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I agree on the Packers needing a tight end capable of playing special teams, re-signing Kuhn could negate the need for a blocking one though.

Here's an interesting take from Football Outsiders on teams using the wrong play way too often in 3rd- or 4th-and-short situations:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/2015-short-yardage-results.
You mean like Seattle's final play in the 2015 Super Bowl? ;)

It would be interesting to see a breakdown on goal line plays. It's hard to throw a short ball against a packed box to start with; it gets even harder in the short field.

The 3rd. TE can't be just a ST player. There are going to be situations where you want to run behind a 7-man line. Having somebody other than Rodgers on the field would be a big help.

If you look through that footballoutsiders.com data, as poor as the Packers short yardage running has been in recent years, their success throwing has been even worse in those situations. Would Cook help in those situations? Can't hurt, but TEs have a hard time getting off clean against a jammed box.
 
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Another added Bonus of signing Cook......The Bears were one of 3 other teams (Panthers and Falcons) that were pursuing him. :tup:
 

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There are going to be situations where you want to run behind a 7-man line. Having somebody other than Rodgers on the field would be a big help.
I'd love for MM to dust-off tape of Sherman's "Jumbo Package" plays. Why must Rodgers even be on the field in short yardage? Substitute a 300+ lb lineman, overload one side and have Cook & Jordy lined up on the opposite side. Both receivers running slants behind the D on the stacked line will allow either the run or shorter pass in the soft zone right behind "the pile". AR could even bootleg out of that formation and possibly get outside and up the sideline.

MM needs to realize there are more options than quick hand-off to Kuhn or plunging Lacy into a mass of humanity on short yardage.
 
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I'd love for MM to dust-off tape of Sherman's "Jumbo Package" plays. Why must Rodgers even be on the field in short yardage? Substitute a 300+ lb lineman, overload one side and have Cook & Jordy lined up on the opposite side. Both receivers running slants behind the D on the stacked line will allow either the run or shorter pass in the soft zone right behind "the pile". AR could even bootleg out of that formation and possibly get outside and up the sideline.

MM needs to realize there are more options than quick hand-off to Kuhn or plunging Lacy into a mass of humanity on short yardage.
McCarthy says there is nothing wrong with the scheme; the problem as he sees it is in the execution. The Packers, from top-to-bottom, are a process-oriented team, and those processes have been relatively fixed with very slow evolutions and at the margins. So, to be realistic, he's not going to drag out somebody else's playbook.
 

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None of those alleviations happen without being able to catch the ball

Sometimes the mere presence alone of certain players demand defensive attention. I'm not saying Cook is one of those types of players, but its always been this way with certain players over the years. I've seen all pro WR's and RB's come into games injured that are decoys at times over the years. Terrell Davis in that Super Bowl down at the goal line against us is a tiny sample of this. It happens and it actually works.
 
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Regarding Cook's blocking PFF graded him with a 73.9 in run blocking as well as a 49.7 in pass protection last season.

As a comparison they had Rodgers rated lower in both categories (49.3 run, 45.5 pass).
That he's a better blocker than Rodgers doesn't tell us much, since just better than "bad" is hardly encouraging.

Do you know how Cook ranks against the league among guys with a meaningful number of snaps, particularly in run blocking?

Don't get me wrong. I like the signing because it's cheap and what he could bring in the passing game. But it does not answer all of the questions at the position.
 
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The 3rd. TE can't be just a ST player. There are going to be situations where you want to run behind a 7-man line. Having somebody other than Rodgers on the field would be a big help.

The Packers either re-signing Kuhn or letting him walk away in free agency will tell us a lot about the coaching staff´s trust in the tight ends blocking abilities.

Sometimes the mere presence alone of certain players demand defensive attention. I'm not saying Cook is one of those types of players, but its always been this way with certain players over the years. I've seen all pro WR's and RB's come into games injured that are decoys at times over the years. Terrell Davis in that Super Bowl down at the goal line against us is a tiny sample of this. It happens and it actually works.

If Cook isn´t able to catch the ball consistently he won´t demand a lot of defensive attention. Terrell Davis is a terrible example for a decoy as he ran for 157 yards and three TDs in the Super Bowl vs. the Packers.

Do you know how Cook ranks against the league among guys with a meaningful number of snaps, particularly in run blocking?

Cook ranked 11th of all 67 qualifying tight ends in run blocking as well as 48th in pass protection.
 

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You mean like Seattle's final play in the 2015 Super Bowl? ;)

It would be interesting to see a breakdown on goal line plays. It's hard to throw a short ball against a packed box to start with; it gets even harder in the short field.

The 3rd. TE can't be just a ST player. There are going to be situations where you want to run behind a 7-man line. Having somebody other than Rodgers on the field would be a big help.

If you look through that footballoutsiders.com data, as poor as the Packers short yardage running has been in recent years, their success throwing has been even worse in those situations. Would Cook help in those situations? Can't hurt, but TEs have a hard time getting off clean against a jammed box.

This was my biggest problem with that call.
 
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Not sure how his entire career stacks up, but according to this, last season cook was:
Targeted 75 times, caught 39 and only dropped 4 for a drop rate of 5.3%. That's not too shabby at all imo. Maybe his drops are a bit overblown because he has a tendency to drop easy ones or wide open ones and those are easier to critique? I dunno.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/
You raise a very interesting point. Cook's career catch rate per target is 58%. That is an exceptionally low number for a TE, even among those who do a fair amount of work out of the slot and out wide.
 
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You raise a very interesting point. Cook's career catch rate per target is 58%. That is an exceptionally low number for a TE, even among those who do a fair amount of work out of the slot and out wide.

While that´s true you have to realize that the quarterbacks who threw Cook the ball have an overall combined completion percentage of 59.3% over his seven-year career.
 
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Cook ranked 11th of all 67 qualifying tight ends in run blocking as well as 48th in pass protection.
If PFF's assessment is accurate, that answers a key question. Pass blocking? The Packers don't ask their TEs to do much of that beyond a chip going into the route.

I still think there's a need for another TE who can block in 7-man lines and who can play ST in order to get on the game day roster.
 

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Hope he finds some motivation and excels. Not a fan of bringing guys in who are said to be lazy. Rather have guys who are enthusiastic and just love playing football.

Hope the rumors are false or he suddenly changes his ways.
Exactly. The guy appears to be a head case, but maybe Aaron will turn him into an all pro.
 
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While that´s true you have to realize that the quarterbacks who threw Cook the ball have an overall combined completion percentage of 59.3% over his seven-year career.
A TE who has a relatively modest yards per catch rate, indicating a fair percentage of short balls, should have a percentage catch rate above his QB's completion percentage.

Cook's career 12.8 yds. per catch indicates he's been running a fair amount of short routes over his career.

Lets look at Finley, to take just one example for comparison. While I don't think he was the "bad hands" guy some made him out to be, we wouldn't call him a "good hands" guy either. His career catch rate was 69%. Rodgers completion percentage was 66% for 2008 - 2013, the years Finley played.

The Cook/Finley difference is not great. With Cook about 1% under his QBs and Finley 3% over Rodgers, the 4% differential is 1 catch per 25 targets. In a 90 target season, Finley's high water marks in his 16 game seasons, the difference between Cook and Finley in catch rate vs. QB completion amounts to about 1 catch per 4.5 games, which is negligible.

As a Finley comparable, he fits the bill, with maybe some better run blocking in the bargain if PFF's assessment is accurate.

I like the signing at this price, as I said. It's especially attractive compared to the $7 mil per year Finley was getting at the end. But to think Cook could play meaningfully above his career averages (Pro Bowl some said in these pages) with Rodgers throwing to him is unrealistic. Finley's 2011-2012 averages, his only 16 game seasons, would be a realistic and happy circumstance:

90 targets, 58 catches, 64% catch rate, 717 yds., 12.4 yds. per catch, 5 TDs.
 
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If Cook isn´t able to catch the ball consistently he won´t demand a lot of defensive attention. Terrell Davis is a terrible example for a decoy as he ran for 157 yards and three TDs in the Super Bowl vs. the Packers.

But if you remember, Davis was suffering from bad a migraine and had to be sent back to the locker room where he proceeded to puke his brains out and get injections for his migraine. Shanahan said the only way the play they had called would work, is if Davis was in the game for the fake handoff. Otherwise, the Packers wouldn't have bit on it.
 
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A TE who has a relatively modest yards per catch rate, indicating a fair percentage of short balls, should have a percentage catch rate above his QB's completion percentage.

Cook's career 12.8 yds. per catch indicates he's been running a fair amount of short routes over his career.

Lets look at Finley, to take just one example for comparison. While I don't think he was the "bad hands" guy some made him out to be, we wouldn't call him a "good hands" guy either. His career catch rate was 69%. Rodgers completion percentage was 66% for 2008 - 2013, the years Finley played.

The Cook/Finley difference is not great. With Cook about 1% under his QBs and Finley 3% over Rodgers, the 4% differential is 1 catch per 25 targets. In a 90 target season, Finley's high water marks in his 16 game seasons, the difference between Cook and Finley in catch rate vs. QB completion amounts to about 1 catch per 4.5 games, which is negligible.

As a Finley comparable, he fits the bill, with maybe some better run blocking in the bargain if PFF's assessment is accurate.

I like the signing at this price, as I said. It's especially attractive compared to the $7 mil per year Finley was getting at the end. But to think Cook could play meaningfully above his career averages (Pro Bowl some said in these pages) with Rodgers throwing to him is unrealistic. Finley's 2011-2012 averages, his only 16 game seasons, would be a realistic and happy circumstance:

90 targets, 58 catches, 64% catch rate, 717 yds., 12.4 yds. per catch, 5 TDs.

I would be excited if Cook would put up numbers close to Finley in his prime. He doesn't have to have a monster season but be productive enough for the defense to have to account for him. Because of his athleticism that will open up shorz t to intermediate routes as well as the running game.

But if you remember, Davis was suffering from bad a migraine and had to be sent back to the locker room where he proceeded to puke his brains out and get injections for his migraine. Shanahan said the only way the play they had called would work, is if Davis was in the game for the fake handoff. Otherwise, the Packers wouldn't have bit on it.

True, but the difference being that if Davis had struggled all night long nobody would have bit on it. That's why Cook still has to make some plays for a defense to pay attention to him.
 

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The Packers either re-signing Kuhn or letting him walk away in free agency will tell us a lot about the coaching staff´s trust in the tight ends blocking abilities.
It's fairly evident that McCarthy does not like running 2-back sets. He's suffered poor TE/H-back blocking deep into the last 2 seasons before giving Kuhn meaningful snaps. For McCarthy, putting a fullback on the field is evidently a hold-the-nose, last resort proposition.

Not re-signing Kuhn could mean several things, including the bet that Ripkowski will take a big enough second-year jump to serve as a last resort.
 
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Or, as they post another winning season, win another North championship, enter another playoff game, et. al. Agree that Pack fans don't generally jump the gun as quickly as others, but I think I'd be able to find some "this is our year/time" posts since 2010. :)
Well, last year at this time I said the 2015 and 2016 seasons are the prime window, with the expensive 2017 free agent class bearing down. With cap room having gotten chipped away with every free agent signing this offseason, the cap carryover to 2017 will be fairly modest. My conclusion last year at this time was Thompson needed one h*ll of a draft in 2015 as a start. It was pretty good...we'll know how good by the end of 2016. Thompson will need a very good one this year to succeed with the rebuild-on-the-fly period that will be bearing down by next season.

That's not quite what you meant, but it's something. ;)
 

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There's absolutely no denying Cook possesses the athleticism the Packers lacked at the position last season. He not only ran a 4.50 40 at the combine but had a 41 inch vertical as well.
You sound a lot higher on him than when he initially got released...
 

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This is the clown that did the hands up for the BLM movement on national tv. An embarrassing signing. Yuck.
 
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