Packers release Vogel

[gonzozab]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-eve...er-moves/82a1bed1-0ef9-4e1d-895c-361b72eb4b5f

I guess the rumors of the organization being disenchanted with him are true. No punting competition this year.

Edit. Looks like Vogel asked for his realease. Sounds like a high maintenance guy.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

If he doesn't want to compete, good riddance. Whole situation is a bit weird.

 

[AmishMafia]

Shameful and foolish move.

This is a proclamation to the other 31 GMs in the league "I don't wnat to fight for my job and compete!"

 

[gonzozab]

Apparently he was a malcontent inside the organization that demanded a max deal when he was due. The Packers weren't on board with this. And according to reporters who cover the team the coaching staff was pretty disenchanted with him, especially Zook.

 

[GleefulGary]

Apparently he was a malcontent inside the organization that demanded a max deal when he was due. The Packers weren't on board with this. And according to reporters who cover the team the coaching staff was pretty disenchanted with him, especially Zook.

Where is this max contract stuff coming from? Any sourcing?

 

[sschind]

Whats a "max deal" anyway? There is no maximum for positions. Would he be after the maximum amount of money he could get? That would be the salary cap minus whatever it took to pay the rest of the team at league minimum. Would it be whatever was left after paying the rest of the team their current salaries? My guess his max deal from the Packers would be the maximum the they would be willing to pay him. Would it be enough to keep him around. Who knows but its a moot point now.

 

[Zartan]

Now we getting good idea why they took a punter. Guess the guy was a head case and too much maintenance for just a punter.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Shameful and foolish move.

This is a proclamation to the other 31 GMs in the league "I don't wnat to fight for my job and compete!"

In my opinion it was abundantly clear that the Packers were going with Scott as their punter after using a fifth round pick to draft him.

Therefore I don't have any issue with Vogel asking for his release as that gives him a fair chance to compete for a job with another team.

 

[Mondio]

Even using a pick on a punter, it wouldn't be the first time a drafted punter didn't beat out the incumbent. Especially with Vogel beating out the incumbent last year. GB has had a history of letting guys, no matter where they came from, compete for their job. They have largely the same guys there in charge, so I don't see that changing. Maybe the odds are he wasn't going to make the team, but I have a feeling this was a reason why they felt the need to go and get a punter too. I'm glad they did. Now I just hope it works

 

[swhitset]

In my opinion it was abundantly clear that the Packers were going with Scott as their punter after using a fifth round pick to draft him.

Therefore I don't have any issue with Vogel asking for his release as that gives him a fair chance to compete for a job with another team.

While I agree with that assessment on its face, I think it's obvious that there was more going on behind the scenes regarding Vogel. Using the 5th round pick on a punter suggests as much.

 

[Dantés]

If true that Vogel, a rookie UDFA punter, was being a diva... goodbye.

 

[906Fan]

I don't see why we couldn't make Vogel compete for the job during preseason, we didn't have to release him. Vogel is doing the best thing for his career because he will likely find a landing spot. He may be manufacturing "diva-ness" just to get released because he can avoid a battle and get an easier landing spot before teams decide. We should have made Vogel compete then released him with roster cuts because it would have not hurt us at all.

 

[Dantés]

I don't see why we couldn't make Vogel compete for the job during preseason, we didn't have to release him. Vogel is doing the best thing for his career because he will likely find a landing spot. He may be manufacturing "diva-ness" just to get released because he can avoid a battle and get an easier landing spot before teams decide. We should have made Vogel compete then released him with roster cuts because it would have not hurt us at all.

One would think that his issues, if they do exist, predate the draft pick.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't see why we couldn't make Vogel compete for the job during preseason, we didn't have to release him. Vogel is doing the best thing for his career because he will likely find a landing spot. He may be manufacturing "diva-ness" just to get released because he can avoid a battle and get an easier landing spot before teams decide. We should have made Vogel compete then released him with roster cuts because it would have not hurt us at all.

The Packers could have definitely kept Vogel around but with the team all but guaranteed to move forward with Scott it makes more sense to not use a precious roster spot on another punter.

 

[Spanky]

Vogel has been signed by the 0-16 Cleveland Browns. Heading to the NFL Siberia.

 

[Half Empty]

For how much more income that folks working a real job, anywhere?

 

[Conan Troutman]

I don't see why we couldn't make Vogel compete for the job during preseason, we didn't have to release him. Vogel is doing the best thing for his career because he will likely find a landing spot. He may be manufacturing "diva-ness" just to get released because he can avoid a battle and get an easier landing spot before teams decide. We should have made Vogel compete then released him with roster cuts because it would have not hurt us at all.

The thing is there wasn't really going to be a competition. Scott would've had to play really bad to make Gutekunst even consider cutting him and Vogel just can't influence that. Asking for a release so he could join a real competition seems reasonable and yes, if you do deny reasonable requests like that, it can hurt you in the form of making it harder to bring in priority UDFAs or sign veteran specialists. Not a huge deal, but I don't see any benefit in insisting on a sham competetion that you know Scott's going to win anyway either. Might as well drop the pretense and it's not like Scott doesn't have competition - he's still competing against every FA punter out there all the time, just like every other punter in existence.

 

[sschind]

The thing is there wasn't really going to be a competition. Scott would've had to play really bad to make Gutekunst even consider cutting him and Vogel just can't influence that. Asking for a release so he could join a real competition seems reasonable and yes, if you do deny reasonable requests like that, it can hurt you in the form of making it harder to bring in priority UDFAs or sign veteran specialists. Not a huge deal, but I don't see any benefit in insisting on a sham competetion that you know Scott's going to win anyway either. Might as well drop the pretense and it's not like Scott doesn't have competition - he's still competing against every FA punter out there all the time, just like every other punter in existence.

And it doesn't hurt that it frees up a roster spot for someone who might have a shot of at least making the practice squad.

 

[sschind]

For how much more income that folks working a real job, anywhere?

Probably a lot more. Then again people pay a lot more money to see football players play (maybe not the punter specifically but he is part of the team) than they do to see cops arrest people, firefighters put out fires, teachers teach and accountants count.

 

[Half Empty]

Can't argue with that a bit. Really sad, isn't it? Lots of other professions could be listed, too.

 

[Poppa San]

Probably a lot more. Then again people pay a lot more money to see football players play (maybe not the punter specifically but he is part of the team) than they do to see cops arrest people, firefighters put out fires, teachers teach and accountants count.

also have to consider supply and demand. How many people are willing to be taught to don proper gear and run into a burning building or confront a confused person? Then how many can throw a head sized inflated bladder 50-60 paces and hit another's torso on a consistent basis, on the run while someone is trying to prevent that same event. without much training, I could probably teach a group of 10 year olds basic geometry or language skills.

 

[Don Barclay]

also have to consider supply and demand. How many people are willing to be taught to don proper gear and run into a burning building or confront a confused person? Then how many can throw a head sized inflated bladder 50-60 paces and hit another's torso on a consistent basis, on the run while someone is trying to prevent that same event. without much training, I could probably teach a group of 10 year olds basic geometry or language skills.

But do you think you could teach those skills as effectively and consistently, at as high a level, as the 30 or so professional QBs do their job?

Because just like you think you could teach 10 year olds without much training, there are many, many thousands of people who can throw a football in a passable manner without much training.

 

[Poppa San]

But do you think you could teach those skills as effectively and consistently, at as high a level, as the 30 or so professional QBs do their job?

No. That is why I don't earn millions.

Because just like you think you could teach 10 year olds without much training,

I teach adults with a high school education (some barely) how to install, troubleshoot, repair, and program industrial computers and automated equipment and I've coached elementary school aged children in multiple sports for a couple of decades. So yeah, I got this.

there are many, many thousands of people who can throw a football in a passable manner without much training.

The NFL is not paying millions for "people who can throw a football in a passable manner" but for the best of the best. Once you get past the Wilson / Flacco quality, there are fewer than a couple of score until you get to Hundley quality. Most of your thousands are worse than that.