Packers 1st round selection, #12 overall: Rashan Gary, DE

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Lol, yeah, a 6 or 7 year old kid in very small town Wisconsin had a very limited view of the world. My view of the outside world came through baseball cards and pictures on the sports page of the newspaper and Sunday afternoon Packer games on channel 3. I was admittedly a box score junkie from the moment I learned to read.

In the UK, my surname was reasonably rare in Liverpool. When I moved to the Midlands of England, my surname was much more common to the point when I first saw it on a shopfront I was very surprised. I later found we originated from Herefordshire, where we were as common as muck......lol
Back on track.

 

[easyk83]

Really ?? Those names are VERY common in Wales, and not really seen as Black names per say. Interesting !

Are they more common than names like Rhys Rhodri and Daffyd?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Are they more common than names like Rhys Rhodri and Daffyd?

I believe the three you quoted are christian names.

 

[PackAttack12]

I’ll say this: if this pick booms...it’s going to be a big boom. That being said, quite the risk at 12 overall.

Definitely paying big dividends now.

 

[tynimiller]

Low floor with incredible high ceiling type guy. NONE of us know which of those two extremes he ends up at...or will he fall in between.

His measurables and athleticism is ridiculously good.....but his heart and sometimes performance is ridiculously sad IMO as well.

I was a Wilkins fan at 12 with who was on the board, or one of the stud OL but when they drafted Gary I looked at the wife and said in 3 years I'll either be buying a Gary jersey or he'll be out of the league.

Probably an extreme prediction but kinda how I feel on it.

Reminds me....I need to keep eye out for a deal on a Gary jersey

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah I mean I can easily pronounce all the places named for American Natives - Chippewa Falls, Fin du Lac, Wausau, Wauwatosa, Waukesha - gut Gutenkunst? Nope, never heard anything like it. So Gluten it is

I’d like a pound of Limburger and some thinly sliced Gutenkunst please.

That Gary. He is just like he was at Michigan. Quietly good and a foundational piece of this Defense.

 

[easyk83]

He had a slow start to the season but right now hes at a pace of 1 per game over the last 4... not bad.

Have to wonder if new scheme played a role or if Barry's adjustments have him playing better.

 

[tynimiller]

He had a slow start to the season but right now hes at a pace of 1 per game over the last 4... not bad.

Have to wonder if new scheme played a role or if Barry's adjustments have him playing better.

I’d push back personally on that claim. Preston and Gary have been rock solid from go IMO. I mean everyone sucked the Saints game almost

 

[longtimefan]

He had a slow start to the season but right now hes at a pace of 1 per game over the last 4... not bad.

Have to wonder if new scheme played a role or if Barry's adjustments have him playing better.

He studies all damn day long. Even calls coaches after 11 pm

 

[OldSchool101]

Ed Oliver 6’1” 287lb
296 snaps (2021)
0 Sacks
3 QB Hits
15 Tackles
4 TFL

Rashan Gary 6’4” 285lb
399 snaps
4.5 Sacks
18 QB hits
27 Tackles
2 TFL
42 QB Pressures (Tied 5th leaguewide per PFF)
#10 Highest Run block Win rate for Edge/OLB

 

[Dantés]

He had a slow start to the season but right now hes at a pace of 1 per game over the last 4... not bad.

Have to wonder if new scheme played a role or if Barry's adjustments have him playing better.

He dominated down the stretch last season too.

 

[PikeBadger]

He studies all damn day long. Even calls coaches after 11 pm

Rashan Gary might just be the most dangerous nerd on the planet.

 

[longtimefan]

There is little or no evidence to show that Burks, Jackson and Gary are not busts. They may turn it around, but they haven't played well enough to inspire any confidence that they can turn around their lack of any impact.

You sure have turned around

Maybe the ones in charge know what they are doing

 

[XPack]

That arm injury looked nasty. Hope he's ok.

 

[tynimiller]

Hearing fractured forearm and elbow ligaments may be damaged as well.

 

[longtimefan]

Hearing fractured forearm and elbow ligaments may be damaged as well.

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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
#Packers LB Rashan Gary will have an MRI Monday on his hyperextended elbow, but initial indications are there’s no break or ligament damage, source said. Some early optimism for an emerging player.
8:55 PM · Nov 14, 2021

 

[tynimiller]

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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
#Packers LB Rashan Gary will have an MRI Monday on his hyperextended elbow, but initial indications are there’s no break or ligament damage, source said. Some early optimism for an emerging player.
8:55 PM · Nov 14, 2021

EXCELLENT! My Wisconsin source has been right about a lot of stuff, but I'm going to strongly lean towards being wrong here both out of desire and I trust Pelissero!

 

[easyk83]

EXCELLENT! My Wisconsin source has been right about a lot of stuff, but I'm going to strongly lean towards being wrong here both out of desire and I trust Pelissero!

Sometimes, especially people in Sports medicine might opine on the type of injury from the way it looks. But without first hand examination its mostly conjecture based on similar injury set ups in other athletes.

If the the injury turns out to be far better than it looks than I'd cite the giannis hyperextension as an example. Everyone thought he blew out his knee and he was playing within what 2 weeks?

 

[tynimiller]

Sometimes, especially people in Sports medicine might opine on the type of injury from the way it looks. But without first hand examination its mostly conjecture based on similar injury set ups in other athletes.

If the the injury turns out to be far better than it looks than I'd cite the giannis hyperextension as an example. Everyone thought he blew out his knee and he was playing within what 2 weeks?

The bad thing is I think best case we don't have Whitney or Rashan for next week, and most likely next two games. That is a MASSIVE hole to fill. MASSIVE.

 

[easyk83]

I’d push back personally on that claim. Preston and Gary have been rock solid from go IMO. I mean everyone sucked the Saints game almost

Im not saying he was bad, just less impactful. I think it should be expected that schematic and coaching changes will result in a period of adjustment for the players and the coaches. The player digests the scheme and learns to play faster and more decisively in it while the Coach makes appropriate adjustments to better use the player.

Gary started the first 5 games with .5 sacks, the last 5 he's produced 5 total for a sack a game average over that stretch. Coincidentally the entire defense has begun to play faster and harder and IMO this is the best looking Packer defense that Ive seen since the 2010 unit. When you consider that we might add All Pros like Jaire and Zadarius to the unit look out.

Yes I think that the entire Defense has improved as the unit has become more familiar with the scheme and as our Defensive coaching staff has become more familiar with the players.

 

[realitybytez]

my problem with gary has always been where he was drafted. someone taken that high in the draft should not need three years to get going. at least not for someone that plays that position. but i realize that is just my opinion. i'm glad he is playing well now, but i think we could have found someone better in the two drafts that followed and then we would have gotten better value.

 

[easyk83]

my problem with gary has always been where he was drafted. someone taken that high in the draft should not need three years to get going. at least not for someone that plays that position. but i realize that is just my opinion. i'm glad he is playing well now, but i think we could have found someone better in the two drafts that followed and then we would have gotten better value.

This has been beaten to death, the reality is that a player of Gary's raw physical ability who is more ready would never get out of the top 5. Gary pulled a TT/Ron Wolf trick. Grab a guy who might be undervalued for whatever reason. Clay Matthews was a one year starter, Nick Collins was a small school guy, Aaron Rodgers was a system quarterback or a Jeff Tedford guy etc. Gary arguably played, hard, in a scheme that didnt really fit his talents.

 

[easyk83]

I believe the three you quoted are christian names.

I know I just wanted to riff on some good old Welsh names.

 

[tynimiller]

my problem with gary has always been where he was drafted. someone taken that high in the draft should not need three years to get going. at least not for someone that plays that position. but i realize that is just my opinion. i'm glad he is playing well now, but i think we could have found someone better in the two drafts that followed and then we would have gotten better value.

Three years to get going....sorry you have not been watching the same guy I have.

He is the prime example of you select a guy you think you'll never get a shot at, regardless of position.

Gary is one of the premiere OLB in the league right now in pressuring QB and controlling OL - there are maybe one guy in the rest of that first round that is doing as well and projecting very high like Gary and that is Montez Sweat.

2020 and 2021 draft, I don't know of a single OLB that could have walked in and done more than Gary out the gate immediately - did I miss someone? Hindsight grading isn't fair though to a point as well cuz at the time of the draft you never know for sure what will occur.

2020 only draft pick maybe one could argue we could have taken that has done well, but not as good is Yetur Gross-Matos
2021 only had two reasonable edge guys that could have been picked which is Jayson (Odafe) Oweh and Gregory Rousseau - again though no way I think either is coming in and doing what Gary can and does do out the gate here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Three years to get going....sorry you have not been watching the same guy I have.

He is the prime example of you select a guy you think you'll never get a shot at, regardless of position.

Gary is one of the premiere OLB in the league right now in pressuring QB and controlling OL - there are maybe one guy in the rest of that first round that is doing as well and projecting very high like Gary and that is Montez Sweat.

2020 and 2021 draft, I don't know of a single OLB that could have walked in and done more than Gary out the gate immediately - did I miss someone? Hindsight grading isn't fair though to a point as well cuz at the time of the draft you never know for sure what will occur.

2020 only draft pick maybe one could argue we could have taken that has done well, but not as good is Yetur Gross-Matos
2021 only had two reasonable edge guys that could have been picked which is Jayson (Odafe) Oweh and Gregory Rousseau - again though no way I think either is coming in and doing what Gary can and does do out the gate here.

Come on man...none of that fits with the narrative that Gary sucks and was a bad pick! Of course some players make a big impact their rookie seasons, but its quite obvious what the plans for Gary was for the Packers. They had the Smith Brothers and could rotate Gary in as needed and to bring him along slowly in his development. Looks to me like their approach was pretty damn successful. I just hope Gary's injury doesn't knock him out for too long.