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I am all for putting it all on Seattle's skilled guys to beat our DB's. I think we have a pretty underrated group back there.

While they are underrated, they do have a tendency to make costly mistakes. In a way I trust them with Seattle's receivers, but there are times in which they blow big plays at the least opportune times.

That aside, deep passes shouldn't be a problem (I hope) I'm worried about check-downs and screens. Our open-field tackling needs improvement. Preventing yards after catch will quickly stunt Seattle into being one-dimensional.
 

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While they are underrated, they do have a tendency to make costly mistakes. In a way I trust them with Seattle's receivers, but there are times in which they blow big plays at the least opportune times.

That aside, deep passes shouldn't be a problem (I hope) I'm worried about check-downs and screens. Our open-field tackling needs improvement. Preventing yards after catch will quickly stunt Seattle into being one-dimensional.

They have made some mistakes but at the same time I won't be seeing a Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, CJ, T Williams or even a Golden Tate out there Sunday. They should be able to lock there guys down. They have to or were in trouble.
 
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While they are underrated, they do have a tendency to make costly mistakes. In a way I trust them with Seattle's receivers, but there are times in which they blow big plays at the least opportune times.

That aside, deep passes shouldn't be a problem (I hope) I'm worried about check-downs and screens. Our open-field tackling needs improvement. Preventing yards after catch will quickly stunt Seattle into being one-dimensional.
I can't say I disagree with any of that, but those issues are scheme independent. PFF counted 18 missed tackles in week 1, a performance that cannot be repeated.

The DBs are not good one-on-one or open field tacklers; it's just who they are. This defense requires team tackling to be effective. There have been games where pursuit has been lackluster...then McCarthy b*tches about bad tackling...then they find their motors. Regardless of how they line up or what ball of confusion Capers tries to present in this game, the first order of business is getting everybody to run to the d*mn ball.

They're in better position to do that in zone. Zone also puts them in better position to contain the damage from scrambles. That's not to say there aren't situations where blitz/man won't be called for, particularly if we get them in long yardage. But the first order of business is keeping Wilson in the pocket, getting to him quickly if he's gets on the loose, and get multiple tacklers on Lynch if he gets to the second level.
 

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More AMAZEMENT !!!

Been watching football for over 60 years and can't recall a single incidence of a coach complaining to the officials for making a call good, bad or just questionable that resulted in a win.

It seems to me that Carroll would be one of the least likely to be upset with from a fan's perspective. He had no influence on the play or the resulting call giving the tied possession to the receiver.

I can see being P/O'd at Tate for not screaming to the officials that he indeed had no claim to possession of the ball. :laugh: He certainly had no moral standing for not complaining that there was no flag on his obvious pushing off although it was brought up as in a jump ball like that pushing off is hard to call as there is so much of it going on by all of the players in such a vicinity.

We as fans like to see our teams win clear decisive victories like the opening game of this season.

If the Packers are so fortunate to win this Sunday I hope it is a good clean game and a decisive victory.

AND IF you guys please the football gods between now and then and are rewarded with the NFC Championship I hope you take the privilege to Arizona and represent the NFC with a big win ...something like the Seahawks did last year.

It isn't. A similar example was Super Bowl XL. We lost a super bowl while the refs screwed us on THREE touchdowns. But keep this in mind, if Carroll had come out and said the Packers were wronged then he is basically saying his team should have lost. How are the players going to perceive that?? That game propelled the Seahawks to new heights regardless of the referees. That whole game was a debacle. The person to blame is the NFL for allowing the charade to be carried on.

To be clear, I didn't mind his celebration after the game. Just know other Packers fans that hated it.

Also, I have nothing against Carroll. Russell Wilson once admitted it was a bad call though and the team sure hasn't turned on him. Just think it would be respectful of Carroll do the same at some point.
 

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To be clear, I didn't mind his celebration after the game. Just know other Packers fans that hated it.

Also, I have nothing against Carroll. Russell Wilson once admitted it was a bad call though and the team sure hasn't turned on him. Just think it would be respectful of Carroll do the same at some point.

I've done a modest search looking specifically for a statement from Wilson that the "catch" was not a catch and I can't seem to find it. It seems to me that such a controversial statement would be an easy search target.

Please provide a link.
 

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I've done a modest search looking specifically for a statement from Wilson that the "catch" was not a catch and I can't seem to find it. It seems to me that such a controversial statement would be an easy search target.

Please provide a link.

In this interview. http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2013/08/13/video-russell-wilson-sits-down-with-espn/

He's asked if that game was the reason why the normal officials came back. He responded with, "I think basically I helped get the replacement refs out of there,” he joked. “I should get a point for that, right?”

Also, said that It's a great feeling to win a game with hail mary, but as the same time it's nice to have the normal officials back.

He wouldn't think he played a role in getting them back if he thought it was the correct call.
 

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In this interview. http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2013/08/13/video-russell-wilson-sits-down-with-espn/

He's asked if that game was the reason why the normal officials came back. He responded with, "I think basically I helped get the replacement refs out of there,” he joked. “I should get a point for that, right?”

Also, said that It's a great feeling to win a game with hail mary, but as the same time it's nice to have the normal officials back.

He wouldn't think he played a role in getting them back if he thought it was the correct call.

That sounds like an improper approach. As far as I know the team, meaning the coach, can file an inquiry about certain calls or lack thereof and expect the league to respond to those specific complaints. I don't think Wilson, nor ANY player, has any direct redress to the league concerning officiating.
 

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I've done a modest search looking specifically for a statement from Wilson that the "catch" was not a catch and I can't seem to find it. It seems to me that such a controversial statement would be an easy search target.

Please provide a link.

So it was the correct call then? Carroll's cheerleading on the sidelines over such an awful call,which he was doing as the review was going on, really rubbed Packer fans the wrong way. You would have never seen a coach like McCarthy or Belichick lobby the refs like that from the sidelines. And he was lobbying them.

Anyway, enough about Seahawks' fans overenthusiasm. Nice to have some good ones here. Again, the only point I'm making about Hawks fans is not how fanatical they are about their team, it's the attitude towards other teams, but hey, they aren't the first to be that way. Just steer away from being lumped with Cowboys and Steelers fans. That you don't want.

On this game, I notice that many are focused on AR's mobility quite rightly. But, if Rodgers has the mobility that he showed in the 2nd half of the Dallas game, that could make a real difference because he was able to escape the rush to an extent.

Also, in attacking the Hawks' defense, recognize that up front they are fast especially on the edges, but they do not have a punishing front 7. Avrill and Bennett are fine DEs, but not overpowering. Wagner is a great MB and probably the most physical of the bunch as far as I know, but what it means is that Seattle is more vulnerable to a running game between the tackles. A punishing RB that runs it right down their throats is more effective than a running game that tries to go outside. Irvin is fast but he's not a great tackler, a good pass rusher, but he's not that good against the run.
 

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I'm prolly one of the few Packers fan in Vancouver, B.C. Literally almost everyone here is a Seahawks fan. All my friends and co-workers too. When we talk about football this is usually how it transpires. 'GB SUCKS, WILL GET BLOWN OUT, SEATTLE IS ALREADY GONNA WIN THE SUPERBOWL, PATS HAS NO CHANCE, ETC. Meanwhile I'm like, 'NOPE, GB BY DOMINATION, GB BY UPSET, etc just to rattle them up.... They usually just call me stupid with words like "WE OWN YOUR WEAK *** TEAM or SEAHAWKS ARE TODAY'S DYNASTY (rolls eyes, yeah okay, cause apparently winning 1 superbowl makes you a dynasty), GB's DEFENSE SUCKS, etc."

LOL I am not making this up. Seattle fans are some of the cockiest most arrogant sobs in the face of the planet. Most of them really think this is a foregone conclusion. I get a lot of 'NO WAY IN HELL GB IS GONNA BEAT SEATTLE" comments.

PROVE ME WRONG GREENBAY!!!!!!! Please Please Please.
 

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Also I'll make one final point about attacking the Hawks' defense. It seems like everyone assumes that the Hawks have a fearsome pass rush. They don't. It's not bad mind you, better than Dallas' pass rush. Their QB sacks is pretty modest, Avril is their top guy for sacks and hurries. They are up there in QB hurries, but not near the top. Yet many are expecting that Rodgers is going to be under all sorts of pressure. That ignores how much the Packers OL has improved, especially in pass protection.

A smart game plan combining Lacy running, quick passes and play actions could keep the Hawks defense off balance enough not to let them get to Rodgers very much.
 
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On the other hand, I was very impressed by Luke Wilson's performance against the Panthers, and covering TEs has been one of GBs liabilities.

Also, Jordy Nelson was a disappointment against Dallas and must do better than that against Seattle.
 

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I'm on here from australia as a Packer fan. Been following NFL for about 5 yrs and decided on GB in the first year.

Pretty isolated from much news or talk over here. Are the Seahawks fans all so confident and cocky? Sure Seattle have great side and will probably have great rush success. AR is the best QB in the league and if plays come off a win here seems possible even with AR on one leg.

So why so cocky? Any team with Sherman on it is going to look cocky and that would rub off on the fans. In australia if a rugby league player was like that all fans from other teams and half the fans from their own team woul want them to fail. Is it like that over there with Sherman? Or is it just our culture where we expect very talented people to be more humble?
 

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Also I'll make one final point about attacking the Hawks' defense. It seems like everyone assumes that the Hawks have a fearsome pass rush. They don't. It's not bad mind you, better than Dallas' pass rush. Their QB sacks is pretty modest, Avril is their top guy for sacks and hurries. They are up there in QB hurries, but not near the top. Yet many are expecting that Rodgers is going to be under all sorts of pressure. That ignores how much the Packers OL has improved, especially in pass protection.

A smart game plan combining Lacy running, quick passes and play actions could keep the Hawks defense off balance enough not to let them get to Rodgers very much.

It sure isn't the pass rush that had Peyton Manning tip toeing around under constant distress in the Super Bowl.

Bennett and Averil were just a couple pieces of that body of work they had working for them last year. Important pieces at that.
 

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On the other hand, I was very impressed by Luke Wilson's performance against the Panthers, and covering TEs has been one of GBs liabilities.

Also, Jordy Nelson was a disappointment against Dallas and must do better than that against Seattle.

Dallas took Jordy out of the game with bracket coverage.
 

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I'm prolly one of the few Packers fan in Vancouver, B.C. Literally almost everyone here is a Seahawks fan. All my friends and co-workers too. When we talk about football this is usually how it transpires. 'GB SUCKS, WILL GET BLOWN OUT, SEATTLE IS ALREADY GONNA WIN THE SUPERBOWL, PATS HAS NO CHANCE, ETC. Meanwhile I'm like, 'NOPE, GB BY DOMINATION, GB BY UPSET, etc just to rattle them up.... They usually just call me stupid with words like "WE OWN YOUR WEAK *** TEAM or SEAHAWKS ARE TODAY'S DYNASTY (rolls eyes, yeah okay, cause apparently winning 1 superbowl makes you a dynasty), GB's DEFENSE SUCKS, etc."

LOL I am not making this up. Seattle fans are some of the cockiest most arrogant sobs in the face of the planet. Most of them really think this is a foregone conclusion. I get a lot of 'NO WAY IN HELL GB IS GONNA BEAT SEATTLE" comments.

PROVE ME WRONG GREENBAY!!!!!!! Please Please Please.

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Just joined. First post.

I'm on here from australia as a Packer fan. Been following NFL for about 5 yrs and decided on GB in the first year.

Pretty isolated from much news or talk over here. Are the Seahawks fans all so confident and cocky? Sure Seattle have great side and will probably have great rush success. AR is the best QB in the league and if plays come off a win here seems possible even with AR on one leg.

So why so cocky? Any team with Sherman on it is going to look cocky and that would rub off on the fans. In australia if a rugby league player was like that all fans from other teams and half the fans from their own team woul want them to fail. Is it like that over there with Sherman? Or is it just our culture where we expect very talented people to be more humble?

The NFL is cockiness personified. The only guy on the team who has to adopt the modest demeanor is the QB because he's the one that's gonna get whacked. Everyone else can be as cocky as they wanna be 'cause that's a sign of being a man and being tough, ya know. It's very American.
 

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Dallas took Jordy out of the game with bracket coverage.

I agree. We don't need to be concerned about who is getting the catches as long as the offense is productive. Based on how a teams plays us can determine who has the big day. I do wish Jordy would of made that one catch though down the seam. I am sure Jordy is gonna want a big game against Seattle. If he is open and Rodgers has time he will get the ball.

I think it was great that Devante had that big day against Dallas in crunch time as it will only help us moving forward here.
 
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The big problem the Pack have in this matchup is your run defense. Our strength is running and that sets up our pass. You guys are ranked 23rd in run defense?? That is a problem. Teams that slow down the Hawks tend to have an elite rushing defense and an average passing defense (Aka Carolina). Two of our scores against them were generated by turnovers.

The Packers rank 5th in rushing yards allowed per game, 6th in yards per carry and have allowed only two rushing TDs since the bye week when they started to move Matthews inside.
 

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IMO easy win for us guys. They will be underestimating us.

I wouldn't make the mistake of confusing the Seahawk fans attitude with the teams attitude. Fans and some media: Cocky and arrogant. Some media outlets are even floating the idea of a Seattle Three peat.

*I will admit the Hawks fans that have come to visit us in this forum have been pretty nice folks.

I'm also sure that the staff and players of the Hawks know a pretty good team is coming to town this weekend and they will take nothing for granted.
 

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* I will admit the Hawks fans that have come to visit us in this forum have been pretty nice folks.

I'm also sure that the staff and players of the Hawks know a pretty good team is coming to town this weekend and they will take nothing for granted.
Agree on both comments, above. The 'Hawks fans in this thread have been courteous and knowledgeable ~ thanks gentlemen (& ladies??).

With a Super Bowl trip at stake I highly doubt ANY of the players or coaches are looking past this game. They're all attempting to bring their A-game, just a matter of which team stays loose, plays within their schemes and abilities, and executes the game plan better. Everybody has strong and weak spots to their game ~ who gets exposed the least wins this one.
 

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I'm prolly one of the few Packers fan in Vancouver, B.C. Literally almost everyone here is a Seahawks fan. All my friends and co-workers too. When we talk about football this is usually how it transpires. 'GB SUCKS, WILL GET BLOWN OUT, SEATTLE IS ALREADY GONNA WIN THE SUPERBOWL, PATS HAS NO CHANCE, ETC. Meanwhile I'm like, 'NOPE, GB BY DOMINATION, GB BY UPSET, etc just to rattle them up.... They usually just call me stupid with words like "WE OWN YOUR WEAK *** TEAM or SEAHAWKS ARE TODAY'S DYNASTY (rolls eyes, yeah okay, cause apparently winning 1 superbowl makes you a dynasty), GB's DEFENSE SUCKS, etc."

LOL I am not making this up. Seattle fans are some of the cockiest most arrogant sobs in the face of the planet. Most of them really think this is a foregone conclusion. I get a lot of 'NO WAY IN HELL GB IS GONNA BEAT SEATTLE" comments.

PROVE ME WRONG GREENBAY!!!!!!! Please Please Please.
Nothing wrong with fans being confident in their team. Seattle is a fantastic team with a ton of talent that is extremely well coached.

As Packer fans - we are not used to this in an opponent. We play the Bears and Vikings and their fans are boasting with confidence about their teams. In reality, their teams really suck and they know it. They just feel the need to boast because that is what you do with a rival.

Seattle is good. If we can pull off an upset, this will be one of the bigger wins for the Packers in some time.
 

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I saw last week Lacy was going off tackle more than he should have. When playing a team with speed, that persues, and tackles good. You need to get what you can, while you can get it. North South, and the shortest route is right up the middle! Sitton, Linsley, Lang can handle their DTs. I think Lacy will get enough to make them adjust.

I also would go with the quick passes. lots of quick, high percentage passes, then let our guys make plays. But we have to be smart and take all the easy yards...

I think the defense will adjust. Start jumping routes, and crowding the line. Thats when our WRs pull the double move, and get behind them. Chancelor will basicly be playing LB with all the pounding, and quick routes. And our receivers will burn his big rear end, when the play action starts working. Sherman is aggressive, and So we must hit deep on him in the second half, on a double move... His ego will get wreckless trying to make that up, and Rodgers can do the double move again most likely for the dagger.... I want Sherman to have to live with that all off season. loud mouth...

After Adams great performance. I think Seattle will be looking at our bruising RB, and the 3 game changing WRs. Quarless and Rodgers will be extra blockers. When the initial dust settles, I think they will be the forgotten man. Should be easy picking to go with our high percentage short pass attack...

I want to see Starks cash in on the RB streak. Lead the secondary away, and let Starks hit that top gear we rarely see. It seems risky, but Starks has some good hands. It worked 1 of 2 times so far, and the one that worked, he went up and got it like a dominant WR does. It should be added to our unpredictable attack, portion of our game plan. I love the potential with Starks speed. If a LB cant touch him, Starks will run right past him.

Do some screens, but dont get too hung up on them. They take too long to develope. Seattle will sniff them out, and make the play if we try to lean on the screen. Designed quick passes. Keep the ball in front of Adams. Nelson can do the timed sideline back shoulder throws, but Adams needs the slants and hooks. Cobb needs to move all over, and get the ball often. He is the wild card here. They will have their hands full trying to harness Lacy, but Cobb will be the converter. He's too fast for LBs and Safetys. And he's too strong, and good for the lazer beam fast defenders. He works perfectly into the quick pass game plan. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

most importantly though. Pound Lacy. Dont dance, dip that shoulder, and be the lowest man. Get the extra yard, and make them earn the stop... I hate seeing secondary guys come in and take his knees out. I think first time he breaks through, he should lock in on Thomas. Like two heat seeking missles, meet him head on at knee level. And change his whole world............. I would accept a couple less yards to see that hit:). Ehhhhh Dont try that with Chancelor. LOL
 

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It would be considered elective surgery, but I strongly suggest having THAT part removed, immediately. I'll kick in $5 towards your procedure! ;)

I just don't like all the run up to these things and all the nerves and smack that go with it. Now if you all want to contribute toward a therapist fund for me, I can set up a "go fund me" account and if enough of you contribute enough, I probably won't get all nervous over a sport where two teams of men who don't even know I exist are playing a game against each other. ;):D
 

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