Not a knee jerk reaction

[easyk83]

True, but there's no reason to not consider Cobb a true receiver.



There's no doubt Cobb has struggled since the start of last season but is capable of being an elite slot receiver. In 2014 he scored four more touchdowns from the slot than any other receiver and gained significantly more yards per route run from the slot than any other wide out.

Jordy Nelson was still an elite receiver without Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb during the 2013 campaign. Without Nelson taking the bulk of the coverage Randall Cobb looked like well just a guy. Cobb is a slot specialist who tends to look underwhelming outside of the hash marks. If he's a great receiver then why can't he distinguish himself playing against the opponent's third best corner?

Cobb ran a total of 87.3% of his toutes out of the slot in 2014. He didn't line up a lot in the backfield that year. I agree he has struggled over the last 20 games as well but he's for sure still capable of being a dangerous slot weapon.

And how many of those involved him starting in the backfield and optioning to the slot? Even still compared to his other admittedly productive season 2014 looks like an outlier.

 

[easyk83]

Idk elite receivers may have a bad game or 2 but 2015 was the perfect season for him to excell jordy was out. All the balls mostly went to Adams. In all honesty Adams is the second best receiver we have he just can't catch the darn ball half the time lol. Cobb can't beat man coverage. Just my opinion from what I see.

Cobb would be at his best playing out of a two tight end offense motioning between the backfield and the slot. If he's just a slot receiver in the Packer offense I'd say he's a 5-6 million dollar per year man. Similar story with Montgomery although I wonder if he wouldn't have a higher ceiling as a true slot receiver given his bulk strength and physicality. I don't think journeyman nickel corners would abuse him like they do with Cobb.

Edit: check that I think Monty could have a high ceiling as a pure slot guy. With Cobb... man he just doesn't look good when even average nickel corners can get their hands on him.

 

[Half Empty]

As I asked elsewhere, how many weeks do we need to wait to voice our displeasure with the product on the field?

Also, I noted there's at least one other member who figures we make the playoffs and then get bounced again - that's my problem with games like this, which shows their ability to lose in so many different ways.

 

[Sky King]

I can't even remember anything about the second game of the 2015 season. By the end of the 2016 regular season I hope to be saying the same thing about last Sunday's game.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Idk elite receivers may have a bad game or 2 but 2015 was the perfect season for him to excell jordy was out. All the balls mostly went to Adams. In all honesty Adams is the second best receiver we have he just can't catch the darn ball half the time lol. Cobb can't beat man coverage. Just my opinion from what I see.

Cobb was the most targeted receiver last season. A lot of posters seem to forget that he played all season with an injured shoulder and while struggling still caught 79 passes.

Cobb is a slot specialist who tends to look underwhelming outside of the hash marks. If he's a great receiver then why can't he distinguish himself playing against the opponent's third best corner?

I mentioned Cobb being an elite slot receiver, there's no doubt he struggles outside the hash marks. Opppnents mostly covered him with their best cornerback last season often double teaming him.

Cobb would be at his best playing out of a two tight end offense motioning between the backfield and the slot. If he's just a slot receiver in the Packer offense I'd say he's a 5-6 million dollar per year man. Similar story with Montgomery although I wonder if he wouldn't have a higher ceiling as a true slot receiver given his bulk strength and physicality. I don't think journeyman nickel corners would abuse him like they do with Cobb.

Edit: check that I think Monty could have a high ceiling as a pure slot guy. With Cobb... man he just doesn't look good when even average nickel corners can get their hands on him.

Geez, Cobb is widely considered one of the best slot receivers in the league. He struggled last season while being injured but considering Montgomery a better player as of right now is ridiculous.

 

[easyk83]

Cobb was the most targeted receiver last season. A lot of posters seem to forget that he played all season with an injured shoulder and while struggling still caught 79 passes.

Solid production, but not elite and most players sustain injuries over the course of a season. Besides my original point was that his strongsuit was his unusual versatility. But as a pure receive he really is just a slot guy which is why I don't think that much of him as a pure receiver. Now his ability to line up in the backfield and provide an explosive rushing threat now that's unique. He adds an interesting wrinkle in a hurry up offense, take that away and well he's back to just being a slot guy.

I mentioned Cobb being an elite slot receiver, there's no doubt he struggles outside the hash marks. Opppnents mostly covered him with their best cornerback last season often double teaming him.

I recall atleast a couple games where he played against nickel backs and struggled. Last Sunday he was up against a steady but hardly top notch cornerback in Captain Munnerlyn.

Geez, Cobb is widely considered one of the best slot receivers in the league. He struggled last season while being injured but considering Montgomery a better player as of right now is ridiculous.

He was considered one of the best slot receivers... btw I referred to ceiling or the player's potential. Yes I'm intrigued by a player of Montgomery's size playing both out of the backfield and in the slot.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Solid production, but not elite and most players sustain injuries over the course of a season. Besides my original point was that his strongsuit was his unusual versatility. But as a pure receive he really is just a slot guy which is why I don't think that much of him as a pure receiver. Now his ability to line up in the backfield and provide an explosive rushing threat now that's unique. He adds an interesting wrinkle in a hurry up offense, take that away and well he's back to just being a slot guy.

While it's true a lot of players suffer injuries during the season Cobb injured his shoulder already in training camp. I'm fine with him being one of the best slot receivers in the NFL as teams need a solid weapon there to be successful.

I'm in favor of moving Cobb around prior to the snap (even out of the backfield) but don't want the Packers to use him as a running back.

Yes I'm intrigued by a player of Montgomery's size playing both out of the backfield and in the slot.

I would prefer the Packers to line up Montgomery in the backfield as well. But he doesn't have a higher ceiling than Cobb as a receiver.

 

[sjb12681]

I dont know, I have been reading these all week, and the one thing that stands out is the excuse making that we seem to do as fans. We say "it was just a bad game" or "he played all year with an injury" or " they were missing starters, so on and on.

The original pretense to me starting this thread is that I would agree, were it not for something every time. We rarely have just losses. Our Ls usually come like this one, making a QB that for all intents and purposes has been written off look like the 2nd coming of Kurt Warner (and Bortles look like an MVP candidate... Hell, they were talking about Jax being a legit team in a loss to us).

The truth of the matter is again, this is not just 1 game. Its not just the month of Sept, or road games, or a tough team, or a hurt player or a fat RB or a missing lineman, its not a coach who gave up play calls, or a "rusty" team.

What it is however is ALWAYS SOMETHING. The truth is that this team has talent. It also has lost its identity, and has lost whatever drove it to success pre 2015. You may discount what I said about the playoff loss to SEA, but that was where it began. Even in our early success last year lots of football talking heads spoke about how this team looked off, and wondered out loud about ghosts of season past.

I hope this does turn around, but if the coaches and the fans continue to think that all that's needed is more time to work through this, I have a feeling we will all be woefully disappointed. Something drastic needs to happen. If we jump back out there in a 3 wide pistol formation for 70% of our plays over the coming weeks, I will know everything I need to about the 2016 Packers.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Cobb would be at his best playing out of a two tight end offense motioning between the backfield and the slot. If he's just a slot receiver in the Packer offense I'd say he's a 5-6 million dollar per year man. Similar story with Montgomery although I wonder if he wouldn't have a higher ceiling as a true slot receiver given his bulk strength and physicality. I don't think journeyman nickel corners would abuse him like they do with Cobb.

Edit: check that I think Monty could have a high ceiling as a pure slot guy. With Cobb... man he just doesn't look good when even average nickel corners can get their hands on him.

Montgomery needs to get 5-10 touches per game in some form or fashion. He's the most explosive athlete on our offense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Montgomery needs to get 5-10 touches per game in some form or fashion. He's the most explosive athlete on our offense.

It's extremely tough to understand Montgomery didn't even get a single snap on offense at Minnesota. I would like him and Abbrederis to be more involved in the game plan.

 

[Mondio]

It's extremely tough to understand Montgomery didn't even get a single snap on offense at Minnesota. I would like him and Abbrederis to be more involved in the game plan.

I'm right there with you. I wonder how much of this is a function of wanting the the big dogs to get going, and since they aren't really doing anything more than sputtering a long, we don't seem to ever get a groove going or be able to run a lot of plays. I think Abbrederis has earned some time, I'm hoping montgomery is completely recovered in which case, his talent deserves to see the field too.

But Lacy needs more, Cook needs more, and we need more plays run to get them all going it seems.

 

[Poppa San]

... I think Abbrederis has earned some time, I'm hoping montgomery is completely recovered in which case, his talent deserves to see the field too.
But Lacy needs more, Cook needs more, and we need more plays run to get them all going it seems.

More of the first four should lead to more of the last.

 

[sschind]

Montgomery needs to get 5-10 touches per game in some form or fashion. He's the most explosive athlete on our offense.

The Randy ratio revisited?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But Lacy needs more, Cook needs more, and we need more plays run to get them all going it seems.

Absolutely agree the Packers need to run more plays to get everyone on offense involved.