Nearly Perfect Draft...

[Heyjoe4]

I'd have to disagree some as they are not atypical at all to off ball sizes...Stutsman is 6'3' 233 and Kiser is 6'1' 231

Weights per draft measurements of some of the best off ball LBs of 2024:
Fred Warner 6'3' 236
Roquan Smith 6'0' 236
Demario Davis 6'2' 235
Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah 6'1' 221
Edgerrin Cooper 6'2' 230
Matt Milano 6'0' 223
Patrick Queen 6'0' 229
Nick Bolton 5'11' 237
Dre Greenlaw 5'11' 231
Foyesade Oluokun 6'1' 229

Interesting. I never would have guessed that any LB would play at these heights and weights, including our own Cooper at 6'1" and 230 lbs. These guys must be like 1% body fat.

Question for you then - what separates a big S from a small-ish LB, and what separates a small-ish LB from an Edge player? It's a rhetorical question and meant for all. I'm just interested in what you and others have to say.

What I'm thinking is that it wouldn't be that hard for a S to bulk up 10 or 15 lbs to a LB, and ditto for LB to Edge.

The trend in the NFL seems to be bigger and faster offensive players, and smaller and faster defensive players. I suppose the exception on O and D would be the size of the down linemen, but even at 300 plus lbs, these guys are fast.

Mind boggling - 300 lb plus guys running in the low 5s for the 40.

 

[tynimiller]

When lined up though Stutsman and especially Kiser look like large safeties and undersized ILBs.

Watched Kiser frequently in person in South Bend, just have to disagree on this one with you.

 

[tynimiller]

Interesting. I never would have guessed that any LB would play at these heights and weights, including our own Cooper at 6'1" and 230 lbs. These guys must be like 1% body fat.

Question for you then - what separates a big S from a small-ish LB, and what separates a small-ish LB from an Edge player? It's a rhetorical question and meant for all. I'm just interested in what you and others have to say.

What I'm thinking is that it wouldn't be that hard for a S to bulk up 10 or 15 lbs to a LB, and ditto for LB to Edge.

The trend in the NFL seems to be bigger and faster offensive players, and smaller and faster defensive players. I suppose the exception on O and D would be the size of the down linemen, but even at 300 plus lbs, these guys are fast.

Mind boggling - 300 lb plus guys running in the low 5s for the 40.

Typically agility, speed, quickness and/or strength to complete the task.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Typically agility, speed, quickness and/or strength to complete the task.

Agreed. Again, the size of our own guy, E. Cooper, just amazed me. I guess these guys just play "bigger".

But hey, even the down linemen on offense and defense, guys in some cases well over 300 lbs, have amazing relative speed and agility. Boggles my mind because, even for those athletically gifted at birth, there is still a whole helluva lot of work to make an NFL roster.

 

[milani]

Interesting. I never would have guessed that any LB would play at these heights and weights, including our own Cooper at 6'1" and 230 lbs. These guys must be like 1% body fat.

Question for you then - what separates a big S from a small-ish LB, and what separates a small-ish LB from an Edge player? It's a rhetorical question and meant for all. I'm just interested in what you and others have to say.

What I'm thinking is that it wouldn't be that hard for a S to bulk up 10 or 15 lbs to a LB, and ditto for LB to Edge.

The trend in the NFL seems to be bigger and faster offensive players, and smaller and faster defensive players. I suppose the exception on O and D would be the size of the down linemen, but even at 300 plus lbs, these guys are fast.

Mind boggling - 300 lb plus guys running in the low 5s for the 40.

How will he do taking on big backs and TEs one on one?

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Interesting. I never would have guessed that any LB would play at these heights and weights, including our own Cooper at 6'1" and 230 lbs. These guys must be like 1% body fat.

Question for you then - what separates a big S from a small-ish LB, and what separates a small-ish LB from an Edge player? It's a rhetorical question and meant for all. I'm just interested in what you and others have to say.

What I'm thinking is that it wouldn't be that hard for a S to bulk up 10 or 15 lbs to a LB, and ditto for LB to Edge.

The trend in the NFL seems to be bigger and faster offensive players, and smaller and faster defensive players. I suppose the exception on O and D would be the size of the down linemen, but even at 300 plus lbs, these guys are fast.

Mind boggling - 300 lb plus guys running in the low 5s for the 40.

HeyJoe4,

Don't know if you were asking me or Tyni but I'll answer. For me the prototype linebacker is 6'1-6'3 and from about 230-250. The build to me with Stutsman and Kiser is why I saw them as big safeties. Stutsman is long and Kiser seems small weight wise. It's how I see them more than anything. I hope that answers your question. If not I hope Tyni can.

 

[Heyjoe4]

HeyJoe4,

Don't know if you were asking me or Tyni but I'll answer. For me the prototype linebacker is 6'1-6'3 and from about 230-250. The build to me with Stutsman and Kiser is why I saw them as big safeties. Stutsman is long and Kiser seems small weight wise. It's how I see them more than anything. I hope that answers your question. If not I hope Tyni can.

Thanks Rick. Yes you answered my question re: the size of LBs, and the thin line between today's LB and safeties.