Mike Pettine's Defence

[ls1bob]

Someone mentioned SF's defense swarming to the ball,I remember one screen pass to J Williams that was blown up immediately. The SF defenders were screaming "right,right" Ball was snapped and the ball was thrown to the right side of the defense,left of the offense and there were 3 defenders there just as the ball got there. Amazing

 

[Mondio]

What exact adjustments could Pettine employ when his DL is getting dominated and his players are not tackling? Some of the holes the 9er RBs had were nuts.

some? i don't know that I've ever seen a game where the running lanes were that big and that consistent from start to finish. It was sad to see.

 

[rodell330]

They always seem to pick the NFCCG games to have the worst performances smh.

 

[rodell330]

Again, I am not saying the 49'ers weren't planning on running nor am I saying that the Packers didn't know that they would try to run it. What I am saying to those who are screaming "Pettine didn't scheme for the run" or "Pettine didn't adjust". Simply put, I don't think it would have mattered, the 49'ers would have probably beat us just as easily through the air, they proved they could pass on us in week 12.

We were out-played, out-manned and out-coached. Hard for me me to paint a different picture and while doing so try and blame Rodgers, Pettine or any other individual. This was a team loss. This just was not a good match-up for the Packers on either side of the ball.

Well even Shanahan said he thought they could run it, but he didn’t expect even those results. Terrible terrible terrible. I mean I’d rather blitz the farm and Take my chances vs a team running the ball down my throat and chewing up the clock. Pettine didn’t really make any adjustments...for that reason I’m out on him. It’s not because of this one game either...it’s because of seeing this multiple games this season. This game was more important than the other ones tho.

 

[rodell330]

some? i don't know that I've ever seen a game where the running lanes were that big and that consistent from start to finish. It was sad to see.

As a coach, it was hard for me to watch. I had to turn it off because I was embarrassed as to what I was watching. Guys who make all this money absolutely have no clue. Coaches making hardly any adjustments. When you’re getting your **** kicked like that up front, you either have to blitz blitz and blitz...or you have to put more guys in the box. Period. I definitely would’ve put the safeties in the box and taken my chances once it got to 20-0.

 

[longtimefan]

As a coach, it was hard for me to watch. I had to turn it off because I was embarrassed as to what I was watching. Guys who make all this money absolutely have no clue. Coaches making hardly any adjustments. When you’re getting your **** kicked like that up front, you either have to blitz blitz and blitz...or you have to put more guys in the box. Period. I definitely would’ve put the safeties in the box and taken my chances once it got to 20-0.

Kc spagnola? He went to goline to stop Tennessee....he adjusted

This is why I said Pettine may have to go

 

[rodell330]

Kc spagnola? He went to goline to stop Tennessee....he adjusted

This is why I said Pettine may have to go

He sure did, I remember Tony Romo I think it was saying he’s never seen anything like that...but hell he was coaching to win the game and taking away a strength. If you get gashed playing goal line I can respect that because at least you’re going all out. Idk what the heck Pettine was doing. It’s like he was content on seeing run lanes even Middle school kids could run through. I was so disgusted in their effort from coaching all the
way down to the players.

 

[PackerFanLV]

I have been Kevin Kings biggest critic mostly because early in his career he couldn't stay on the field. I also was skeptical of his talent earlier this year. I told a few people on here (I really don't remember who) that I would apologize to him and them for doubting his abilities and his durability. I was wrong and it appears that King is going to be a pretty solid player. Nice job young man.

Same, I was a big critic of his, mostly about his footwork, I still think he’s raw in that area and that’s why he gets beat deep on double moves. But he’s showing that he is developing.

 

[Sanguine camper]

My guess is that Petine begs forgiveness and will be back next season. He had success with the Jets and Bills and may be complaining to Gute about the lack of athleticism at ILB and DT. Agree he was horribly outcoached and should be canned but that's not the Packers way.

 

[easyk83]

There's not much you can do with scheme when your Dline is getting pushed around like that, the entire team came out flat and uninspired. IMO something needs to change with MLFs weekly approach.

Thats one thing about MM that I think we'll miss, he typically had them ready to play in big games.

 

[rmontro]

He knew...just wouldn't say in the press..

That's what I was think too. But if he knew how to correct it, there wasn't any indication of that in the game.

 

[gopkrs]

My guess is that Petine begs forgiveness and will be back next season. He had success with the Jets and Bills and may be complaining to Gute about the lack of athleticism at ILB and DT. Agree he was horribly outcoached and should be canned but that's not the Packers way.

Well, that was the McCarthy way and it did not serve well imho People talked about how our special teams improved and I agree that it was so bad early that it did improve. But when I see a kamikaze guy overrun the punt returner when he is on the 30 or 40 yardline, I just cringe. That is coachable. Just isn't taught.

 

[pacmaniac]

Interesting article in which the 9ers coaching staff said they couldn't figure out Pettine's defense in the first game. Strange considering they scored 37 points.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-packers-and-into-super-bowl-with-superb-plan

But they made changes that Pettine couldn't figure out how to stop for the second game.

 

[Calvin]

What exact adjustments could Pettine employ when his DL is getting dominated and his players are not tackling? Some of the holes the 9er RBs had were nuts.

Put 9 in the box, blitz all day. Similar to how GB played Seattle. I would rather lose to G having 4 TD passes compared to losing with him passing the ball 4 times the whole game.
Seriously, the Dline isn't the problem. GB literally does not have a LB worthy of starting in the NFL. GB LBs are supposed to be filling those running lanes, instead our MLB is playing 10 yds back like a DB

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While we will never know, until maybe next season when we play the 9'ers again, but I think we would still be here today talking about how bad the Packer defense was stopping the run or the pass, no matter what Pettine adjusted too. Compare the Week 12 game with this one and the 9'ers offense (and defense) just dominated the Packers in just about every way that day too. 253 yards passing, Kittle had 129 yards.

People thinking this was just about making an adjustment or 2 on defense to stop the run are fooling themselves. This was about a 49'er offense that played mistake free, knew how to attack the Packer defense and took advantage of the fact that they have a better roster.

 

[Mondio]

While we will never know, until maybe next season when we play the 9'ers again, but I think we would still be here today talking about how bad the Packer defense was stopping the run or the pass, no matter what Pettine adjusted too. Compare the Week 12 game with this one and the 9'ers offense (and defense) just dominated the Packers in just about every way that day too. 253 yards passing, Kittle had 129 yards.

People thinking this was just about making an adjustment or 2 on defense to stop the run are fooling themselves. This was about a 49'er offense that played mistake free, knew how to attack the Packer defense and took advantage of the fact that they have a better roster.

I wouldn't have cared if they had 253 yards passing. Giving up 300 yards rushing is pathetic. It shows they were not ready in any way shape or form at all. They were destroyed at every level. Somebody was at least. and probably 90% of those yards came before contact. It was pathetic.

I get the 49ers are good, but even bad teams comletely outmatched only give up 2-3 explosive runs at most a game. We gave them up every other snap.

while an adjustment or 2 may not have made a difference in winning or losing, doing what they did on defense gave this team zero chance even if the offense played completely mistake free football.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I get it, we got beat bad and when you get beat bad on the ground as opposed to through the air, it is probably a harder loss to stomach. I watched the whole game and was sick to mine, but it still doesn't change the fact that it was a loss and a brutal one.

If nothing else, take solace in the fact that most of us knew that our DL wasn't very good, nor our ILB group, which is mainly why we couldn't stop the run. Had the 49'ers ripped apart Jaire, Amos, King, Savage and Williams....there would be a lot more to talk about when it comes to off season needs.

 

[mradtke66]

I guess I don't understand the difference. If we give up 500 yards in the air and 35 points or 300 yards on the ground and 35 points, either is a loss. Both are bad. Both make you go home and reassess WTF did you do so wrong and come up with a plan to not repeat that.

Why do rushing touchdown hurt you more? Do you think are they worth more points?

 

[rmontro]

Why do rushing touchdown hurt you more? Do you think are they worth more points?

The Packers have been torched through the air many times, and that sucks too. But there's a physicality element to the run game, it's not just being outskilled or outfinessed. They physically imposed their will on us. That's why Aikmen said they were taking our manhood.

 

[Mondio]

We didn't give up 500 yards passing. Most times, a team will stop the run and that might make them vulnerable to a big pass play, and I would have liked to see them at least take that chance. Maybe it still ends up the same way. But to not even be able to stand in front of them and make them try something else was pathetic. We gave up a damn fine day of rushing for any NFL team without even laying hand on the guy. That doesn't even account for what came after.

 

[Calvin]

I guess I don't understand the difference. If we give up 500 yards in the air and 35 points or 300 yards on the ground and 35 points, either is a loss. Both are bad. Both make you go home and reassess WTF did you do so wrong and come up with a plan to not repeat that.

Why do rushing touchdown hurt you more? Do you think are they worth more points?

Let me make it simple. If we can replay the game and SF started you at QB. What will the game plan be? You will be forced to beat greenbay with your arm because they selling out on the run all game.

So yes, if you can throw for 300yd 5 TD, you are the man. Its like playing a dime defense against Lamar Jackson. You know he is going to run the ball. Put 9 in the box, if he manages 400yds passing so be it.

 

[mradtke66]

Let me make it simple. If we can replay the game and SF started you at QB. What will the game plan be? You will be forced to beat greenbay with your arm because they selling out on the run all game.

So yes, if you can throw for 300yd 5 TD, you are the man. Its like playing a dime defense against Lamar Jackson. You know he is going to run the ball. Put 9 in the box, if he manages 400yds passing so be it.

Again, I still don't really see the difference.

Stabbed to death or shot, you're still dead.

Run all over or passed all over, you still lost.

 

[Mondio]

Again, I still don't really see the difference.

Stabbed to death or shot, you're still dead.

Run all over or passed all over, you still lost.

That's not the point. It's more akin to standing in one place getting shot at until you're dead, or running up and taking your chance in hand to hand and seeing if you stand a chance. Or stand there and let him stab at you until you're dead or trying getting away and tossing rocks at him to survive. Don't just ****ing stand there and die. San Fran has a good running attack, they have a good defense. There is still zero reason to give up 150 yards before contact. Why even go out there at all? if you're going to lose you're going to lose?

They didn't torch us with the pass last time and they didn't have to throw it at all this time. It's not like they have 500 yards passing the first game and then followed it up with 300 yards rushing this one because we played dime the whole time defending the pass.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Just a thought, the 49ers offense is REALLY good at running the ball and the Packers dline isn't very good (outside of Clark) and Martinez is not very good against the run. It was a perfect storm of crap that, justifiably, made the defense look like garbage. The Packers defense was never as good as some thought and still needs a few good players to take that next step.

 

[Pugger]

Someone mentioned SF's defense swarming to the ball,I remember one screen pass to J Williams that was blown up immediately. The SF defenders were screaming "right,right" Ball was snapped and the ball was thrown to the right side of the defense,left of the offense and there were 3 defenders there just as the ball got there. Amazing

This tells me that either the 9ers were very prepared by watching film or we are very predictable and easy for defenses to figure out or most likely both.