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No, you are clueless defending that guy. He might get cut like Sheperd if they can get Austin going.

LoL whatever man, Mondio broke it down perfectly. Some of you expect vastly too much of our 6th or 7th at best option on offense. And when folks correct you or present counter thoughts you take it as someone defending him as amazing. That simply isn't the case.
 

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LoL whatever man, Mondio broke it down perfectly. Some of you expect vastly too much of our 6th or 7th at best option on offense. And when folks correct you or present counter thoughts you take it as someone defending him as amazing. That simply isn't the case.
It sure sounds like you're defending him. If it walks like a duck and it quacks.........
 

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MVS is a decent 4th or 5th WR. If he can ever get rid of the dropsies, he moves up. Packers have one legit starting WR, the rest are benefitting by Rodgers, the play calling, the running game and the OL.
 

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Exactly, hence why I have used ignorant and clueless at times discussing things.
You're wrong and always have to have the last word. Arrogant, clueless, pompous individual you are. Now your dumb *** goes on ignore.
 

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You're wrong and always have to have the last word. Arrogant, clueless, pompous individual you are. Now your dumb *** goes on ignore.
You're kinda doing the same thing, simply because he's pointing out things that you don't necessarily agree with doesn't make him clueless or ignorant, and it's no excuse for rudeness.
 

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You're kinda doing the same thing, simply because he's pointing out things that you don't necessarily agree with doesn't make him clueless or ignorant, and it's no excuse for rudeness.
Had to click the button to see what all the fuss was about... ironically, I’ve had that guy on ignore for quite some time.
 

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You're kinda doing the same thing, simply because he's pointing out things that you don't necessarily agree with doesn't make him clueless or ignorant, and it's no excuse for rudeness.
He started with the clueless/ incompetence statements. Why don't you lecture him?
 

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LoL whatever man, Mondio broke it down perfectly. Some of you expect vastly too much of our 6th or 7th at best option on offense. And when folks correct you or present counter thoughts you take it as someone defending him as amazing. That simply isn't the case.

He stated off as 2nd best WR and now ended up as "6th or 7th". Even after last game he was "3rd or 4th" iirc. I simply don't see why we need to retain (or even defend) a 6th or 7th best option on offence.

And it's not based on one or two games, He makes as much errors as benefits. And in games where he doesn't, he's just AWOL. His 'good' games are getting rarer and rarer.
 

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MVS is a feast or famine player. He is what he is.

The problem many seem to fail to understand is that even when he's "famine" There's still plenty of value to having him on the field. The defense needs to respect his ability to get down field which draws coverage. (and no its not just as simple a replacement of grabbing any fast guy and plugging him out there)

No one is arguing that he is a #2 WR. Or really a reliable #3 right now. That would be asinine. Whats being argued is his value doesnt always show on a stat sheet.

Arguing that he is a trash player and should be cut is just plain asinine.
 

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He stated off as 2nd best WR and now ended up as "6th or 7th". Even after last game he was "3rd or 4th" iirc. I simply don't see why we need to retain (or even defend) a 6th or 7th best option on offence.

And it's not based on one or two games, He makes as much errors as benefits. And in games where he doesn't, he's just AWOL. His 'good' games are getting rarer and rarer.


Bears game id bet coaches would say he had arguably his most complete game. His blocking was tremendous, routes were there plays and targets just didn't come.

Also the reference of 6th or 7th option, he NEVER was the #2 option....he was thrust into a position where he had to be our #2 WR, which in NO WAY shape or form is ready for or even is. He is behind Jones, Williams, Tonyan, Adams and Lazard clearly and even maybe EQ or Lewis/Stern even depending who we are playing.

Again none of this is claiming he is more than he is. I outlined a bunch of facts about him quite a few comments up, and nearly none of them are pure positives.
 

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MVS is a feast or famine player. He is what he is.

The problem many seem to fail to understand is that even when he's "famine" There's still plenty of value to having him on the field. The defense needs to respect his ability to get down field which draws coverage. (and no its not just as simple a replacement of grabbing any fast guy and plugging him out there)

No one is arguing that he is a #2 WR. Or really a reliable #3 right now. That would be asinine. Whats being argued is his value doesnt always show on a stat sheet.

Arguing that he is a trash player and should be cut is just plain asinine.

Bingo. Understand football, you see his value...this year his blocking has increased that value from a one trick pony, to a one trick pony that can and seeks out blocking.
 

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I don't think MVS and Adams are anything alike. Adams had trouble in a year he got hurt and struggled. We all saw that. But he didn't in his first year and his 3rd year he started to take off. They just look so different playing the position. Just the way they catch the ball seems so different. as pass catchers, i'm not liking what is being shown more often than not from MVS and now EQ. They're physically talented, but they just seem to be missing something, not sure they're going to find it either. MVS still provides value, but there are plenty of physically gifted WR's that can't consistently catch the big passes and if EQ doesn't figure it out soon, it's time to find some that can.

I was watching that MN/Jags game and man, a couple of those WR's for the Jags were making Adams type catches in big moments. I never expect MVS or EQ to catch those. I'm just hoping they catch most of the routine ones at this point.
 

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I concur it is unfair to Adams to even speak their names in the same sentence in discussions of production or skills.

Adams struggled sure, but it was clear he was above average in nearly every aspect of the game; knowledge, route tree, hand placement, blocking knowledge (not a big time blocker).

MVS joined the Packers and up until this year EVERYONE with a football IQ knew he was a one faceted wide receiver: a BURNER.

His routes weren't polished, but then again until the NFL he's never had to worry about that. His blocking was not there either, again never asked really to do it previously to the degree now.

MVS is a guy that fills a role on an offense that very few in the NFL can. If a safety gets lazy, he can blow by a defense and have a 50+ yard reception (IF caught) in a blink.

He 100% needs to improve, and despite many with insane expectations for him - he has.

2020 he finally, albeit in small steps has at times illustrated an expanding route tree (I still say he is like a 4 out of 10 there...maybe a 3...but a year ago I give him a 0 or 1).

2020 also has seen him become a capable, but more importantly willing blocker. When most WR stop playing a play on a run or short reception, MVS is seen blazing to catch up with our ball carrier and placing himself at minimum as a shield blocker. Watch the Bears game tape and the Eagles game tape. Coming out of college my blocking expectations of him were zero. I'd argue he has crossed over and is exceeding expectations for a WR period, not just him, but any WR.

2020 has also illustrated he may just be one of those low percentage receptions type deep threats...a slightly lesser version of Kenny Stills that blocks. Stills reception % has never been incredible, but what he and MVS offers is of value to a team at the right price for sure. If MVS can learn to catch with hands and not body, his ceiling is a solid #3 on a team. Until then he is a teams' #4 at best - and it is his blocking which says #4 and not #5 honestly.

He is still a young, raw burner type WR. He unfortunately is on a team that has expected a #4/#5 type WR to be as high as our #2 at times and still is asking for a solid #3. He just isn't that...the question is if he isn't that yet or isn't period. Either way, rookie contract and willingness to block mixed with his raw ability to fly make it ignorant to believe he holds zero value and should be cut. NO one on our roster can fill his limited and low targeted role in the MLF offense.
 

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Oh wait...crap I forgot I've been told I worship the guy so...He is better than Adams - and should be signed to a LONG lucrative fully guaranteed contract.
 

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MVS blocks well and he forces deep coverage. And sometimes catches the ball. I still think we should be throwing the ball a bit more to Malik Taylor. That guy catches one pass a game maybe. But each time he is wide open and catches the ball securely.
 

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I think Malik and EQ are battling for the same role, only separation is EQ has a little bit more route ability and of course has to be more comfortable with the playbook.

I'm excited to see those two battle in 2021, as I don't think both make roster barring injury or unforeseen issues at WR and Malik has done well enough probably not capable of stashing him on Practice Squad.
 

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I’ll just say it gave me flashback seeing Bakhtiari and Scantling knocking would be tacklers away 70 yards down field making sure Jones could get into the end zone. Last week saw a clip of Skoronski and Gregg doing the exact same thing to get Jim Taylor home.

Vince would be proud of Bakhtiari and Scantling.
 

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I’ll just say it gave me flashback seeing Bakhtiari and Scantling knocking would be tacklers away 70 yards down field making sure Jones could get into the end zone. Last week saw a clip of Skoronski and Gregg doing the exact same thing to get Jim Taylor home.

Vince would be proud of Bakhtiari and Scantling.

Honestly it was ridiculous how quick MVS after Jones went by, accelerated and nearly ran into Jones to get in place to assist. That play illustrated his speed...Bahk was rumbling the entire play downfield and wasn't stopping for anything!
 
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