James Starks Must Be Cut TODAY!!!!

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think the underlying reason is that you really don't want expose Ty to the pounding an every down RB gets.

I wondered that early on in the season, but with basically 4 must win games ahead, I wouldn't see any reason to "save" Ty from the pounding at this point. The rest of the WR group is healthy, so if Ty's best use is at RB, then run him. I tend to think he hasn't been overused at RB because MM doesn't think he is a feature back and would rather use him in situations that the defense is in a formation that maximizes the potential success of giving Ty the ball. Maybe that will change starting Sunday?

 

[Robert Mason]

I wondered that early on in the season, but with basically 4 must win games ahead, I wouldn't see any reason to "save" Ty from the pounding at this point. The rest of the WR group is healthy, so if Ty's best use is at RB, then run him. I tend to think he hasn't been overused at RB because MM doesn't think he is a feature back and would rather use him in situations that the defense is in a formation that maximizes the potential success of giving Ty the ball. Maybe that will change starting Sunday?

One possible reason.......Avoiding a career ending injury.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One possible reason.......Avoiding a career ending injury.

You can say that for just about any position on any given play. But if there is a time to start rolling the dice on putting your best players on the field as often as you can, now is THAT time.

 

[Robert Mason]

You can say that for just about any position on any given play. But if there is a time to start rolling the dice on putting your best players on the field as often as you can, now is THAT time.

This present Packers team is going to live or die on Rodgers arm. No matter who you use at RB on the current roster,you are not going to turn the offense into a power running game. There is a minimal need to provide enough of a running threat to keep defenses honest however.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This present Packers team is going to live or die on Rodgers arm. No matter who you use at RB on the current roster,you are not going to turn the offense into a power running game. There is a minimal need to provide enough of a running threat to keep defenses honest however.

I said that many posts ago, "Packers live and die by AR's arm (and feet)". I was responding to someone who doesn't understand why Monty isn't getting more carries.

 

[Robert Mason]

I said that many posts ago, "Packers live and die by AR's arm (and feet)". I was responding to someone who doesn't understand why Monty isn't getting more carries.

 

[sschind]

He is fast....see him run the sweep ? Funny that a player with all your perceived negatives is still on the 53.

not funny, more like shocking.

Maybe every year our site could give out an award for the Packer player that has created the most "angst" for posters during the year. We could call it the "JJ Award", not to be confused with James Jones

That way, one thread could encompass all the players we are disappointed in for that given year.

John Jefferson?

Thanks for that simple answer. It saves me from going through 35 screens of posts that ended seven months ago.

Trust me, it hasn't ended, its just in a time out. It will be back.

 

[sschind]

While I fully agree when you have a bigger sample, don't take away a run.. but when he only had 8 rushes, I can't say with any confidence he looked good..

And I agree with you. Its kind of like "what have you done for me lately" only its "what did you do besides that" When I look at the RB stats in the box score I automatically look at the number of carries, the yards and the long carry. Its natural and legit.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Why do you say that? He's obviously big enough. For those claiming he doesn't have the "vision" to be a running back, this is a guy that played RB in high school and was an All-American return specialist in college. What facet of Ty's game doesn't allow him to run against a stacked box?

Size isn't the only important trait for a running back. Montgomery lacks the instincts and vision to consistantly have success running against a stacked box.

Him having played the position in high school as well as being an elite returner in college doesn't mean a whole lot in regard to what we're currently talking about.

I'm fine with using him as a receiver out of the backfield against eight or more defenders in the box but once again this is something else than rushing him against that scheme.

 

[PackerDNA]

Size isn't the only important trait for a running back. Montgomery lacks the instincts and vision to consistantly have success running against a stacked box.

I was hoping for-with enough training- a decent RB. But if it's about instincts and vision, well those can't be taught.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I was hoping for-with enough training- a decent RB. But if it's about instincts and vision, well those can't be taught.

Montgomery currently is capable of being a decent running back against defenses mostly playing the pass but not against units expecting a run, especially behind the Packers offensive line. It's possible he improves practicing the position next offseason.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Montgomery currently is capable of being a decent running back against defenses mostly playing the pass but not against units expecting a run, especially behind the Packers offensive line. It's possible he improves practicing the position next offseason.

Agreed, while someone will probably pull up stats and prove me wrong, but just from memory, it doesn't seem like Monty has had much success running into a stacked box, nor did Cobb. As I posted previously, Lacy or Ripp have been the only Packer RB's this year that seemed to have much success against a defense playing for the run. I haven't watched any film on Michael, but hope to maybe see that type of runner out of him on Sunday.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I haven't watched any film on Michael, but hope to maybe see that type of runner out of him on Sunday.

Michael ranks 21st out of the 32 running backs in short yardage situations with an average of 2.55 yards per attempt this season. That number is lower than those of Montgomery (4.60), Lacy (4.25) and even Starks (2.64).

That doesn't automatically mean the box was stacked on those attempts but I wouldn't get too optimistic about Michael.

 

[PeteButter]

One possible reason.......Avoiding a career ending injury.

LOL!! Keep pumping out the reasons for not featuring a beast like Ty. You guys are hilarious. Good luck not making the playoffs because your coach is so caring...even tho your coach continued to run a broken Lacy lol. Fans are so disconnected its unreal.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL!! Keep pumping out the reasons for not featuring a beast like Ty. You guys are hilarious. Good luck not making the playoffs because your coach is so caring...even tho your coach continued to run a broken Lacy lol. Fans are so disconnected its unreal.

You do realize that none of us in the forum actually make these decisions right? As disconnected as we may seem to you, so far the NFL coaches who spend a lot of time with Ty appear to agree with some of us on limiting his # of carries.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

James Starks has officially lost his starting job in 1 quarter today, can't wait till he's bagging groceries at Pick N Save this offseason.

 

[Half Empty]

Considering he's pulled in $6 mil just since 2014, seriously doubt if that's where you'll find him.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Considering he's pulled in $6 mil just since 2014, seriously doubt if that's where you'll find him.

Dudes gotta eat so, maybe Starks just uses the self check-out line.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Dudes gotta eat so, maybe Starks just uses the self check-out line.

And he'll be self-checking outta here come January.

 

[sschind]

One possible reason.......Avoiding a career ending injury.

When you need to win now you put your best guys on the field. Would you advocate limiting Rodgers too? After all, if he gets a career ending injury we are screwed.

 

[Mondio]

Starks has been rather ineffective all year. He had a few nice plays, but overall, he's not been himself either, had in season surgery, and came back and tried it again. He's been mostly replaced. But jeez, it's not like he's been a head case malcontent causing disruptions and problems for this team. He's always been a hard worker and go out and give what he can. He has had success and was pivotal in our Superbowl win, why so much hate? It's one thing to note a guys decline, it's another to berate him for it when it's not do to his lack of caring or effort. You'd think he was a viking or something the way some attack him.

 

[Robert Mason]

Starks has been rather ineffective all year. He had a few nice plays, but overall, he's not been himself either, had in season surgery, and came back and tried it again. He's been mostly replaced. But jeez, it's not like he's been a head case malcontent causing disruptions and problems for this team. He's always been a hard worker and go out and give what he can. He has had success and was pivotal in our Superbowl win, why so much hate? It's one thing to note a guys decline, it's another to berate him for it when it's not do to his lack of caring or effort. You'd think he was a viking or something the way some attack him.

No one doesn't appreciate what he did in the past, but you have to live in the present and plan for the future. Every player has a limited playing span and then it's time to move on. Probably Stark's time to move on.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

No one doesn't appreciate what he did in the past, but you have to live in the present and plan for the future. Every player has a limited playing span and then it's time to move on. Probably Stark's time to move on.

I agree that it´s time to move on from Starks next season but there´s absolutely no reason to berate him though.

 

[Mondio]

Recognizing it's time to move and taking every opportunity to take jabs at a guy that's never done anything than have his skills for a game he's given his all to diminish, are very different

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Recognizing it's time to move and taking every opportunity to take jabs at a guy that's never done anything than have his skills for a game he's given his all to diminish, are very different

Just wait until some start trying to kick old #12 to the Curb......oh wait...