Is this the worst draft in this decade for the Packers?

[CanadaCheese]

It's a brutal draft. I get having to "wait and see" on picks, but literally best case scenario, Love doesn't start for several years, Dillon replaces Jamaal Williams this year and DeGuara fills in as a serviceable H back type. There's no spinning this into anything where we get any amount of real production out of anyone in our draft in 2020.

They are building for an outdated rushing offense in an era where the passing game has never been so emphasized and important.

Correct.....welcome to 3rd in the NFC North without injuries
Rodgers will probably break his own leg so he can go back to Malibu and rehab with Danica and not be around this crap show

 

[easyk83]

Dillon could give us good value, good speed wiggle lots of power and he faced constant 8 man front. Love is a probable failure, just the hard facts of life. DeGuara is a hard bitten try hard type who won't make it in the NFL beyond being a backup and special teams guy. I dont think he has the speed catch radius or explosiveness to be worth much as an h back.

Truly guys I'd like Love for most teams, but not when you have an HOF qb with maybe 4 years left.

 

[Fredrik87]

The players haven't done anything yet...

If Love is the next franchise QB? If Dillon is a productive part of the offense? Would that really mean it was the worst draft of the decade just because we didn't get the positions we all expected?

The way I see it is Rodgers cap hit and the fact he said he wasn't going to retire any time soon suggests Love barring injury will not see the field until year 4 at soonest this means there will likely not be a super cheap QB contract period, with the lack of talent infusion at several key positions unless at least one of these guys is a HOF talent we are likely wrecked if we don't win now.
We spent a lot of free agency money and went into win now mode now we are in rebuilding mode but with no money.
This means that the amount of pressure on Rodgers and Love is going to be insane and they will likely not have the weapons, defense, or O-line to win a SB with out 2011 Rodgers level play.

None of these guy's where good value at the position picked according to almost everybody considering the best GM's miss more than hit,
Gutes drafting players with late round grades from most experts including those that do a lot of tape study without trading down and reducing risk is highly likely to backfire he is basically saying he knows more than anyone else and there is no chance these guys bust because if they do it could destroy us.

Also the what influence will drafting a possible Rodgers replacement in round one have on the team? The media will be all over this until either Love or Rodgers is gone.
The effect this could have on the teams chemistry scares the heck out of me.

And Gutes track record in the draft hasn't been great so far either.

What is the best case scenario here? Love becomes a great QB a couple of years down the round his contract ends at about the same time we give him a lot of money, AJ Dillon replaces Jones as a solid player who helps us win a couple of games but doesn't give us the missing piece to win a super bowl because he's only replacing what we have, the TE becomes Kittle but we don't have a OL or a DL or a secondary so whoever are QB is has to be playing at a out of this world level for us to win the majority of the time.

This look's horrifically bad.

No one was defending bill O' brien when he traded Hopkins and it's possible that this draft could hurt as bad or worse than that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Am I reading this right, do the Vikings have 13 picks tomorrow? Not sure I would have wanted to accumulate that many, would have gladly used some to trade up.

 

[Fredrik87]

Correct.....welcome to 3rd in the NFC North without injuries
Rodgers will probably break his own leg so he can go back to Malibu and rehab with Danica and not be around this crap show

Would you blame him?

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Ok...during the quarantine how did YOU get mushrooms

 

[CanadaCheese]

Would you blame him?

Not at all

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Am I reading this right, do the Vikings have 13 picks tomorrow? Not sure I would have wanted to accumulate that many, would have gladly used some to trade up.

Yes but 2 are Compensatory Picks

 

[Dantés]

Correct.....welcome to 3rd in the NFC North without injuries
Rodgers will probably break his own leg so he can go back to Malibu and rehab with Danica and not be around this crap show

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Love barring injury will not see the field until year 4 at soonest this means there will likely not be a super cheap QB contract period

Given that Love will be paid as the 26th pick in the draft, carrying him will cost the Packers around $3M/year. Somewhat of a steep price to pay for a player that probably projects to sit on the bench for at least 2 years. I'm all for having a good backup QB when you are a Super Bowl quality team, but I don't see Love as a quality backup right away.

 

[adambr2]

Am I reading this right, do the Vikings have 13 picks tomorrow? Not sure I would have wanted to accumulate that many, would have gladly used some to trade up.

Well, normally I hate giving up draft capital, but in our case, considering we're good with using 3rd round picks on blocking backup TEs, I see no reason to worry about losing any day 3 picks. Trade away.

 

[Dantés]

Given that Love will be paid as the 26th pick in the draft, carrying him will cost the Packers around $3M/year. Somewhat of a steep price to pay for a player that probably projects to sit on the bench for at least 2 years. I'm all for having a good backup QB when you are a Super Bowl quality team, but I don't see Love as a quality backup right away.

The Jordan Love pick is super simple.

If he develops into a franchise QB and takes the baton from Rodgers the way Rodgers took it from Favre, he will be a great pick... probably the greatest pick of the whole draft considering the value of the position.

If he does not develop, and eventually proves to be a bust, he will be a terrible pick that cost the team the chance to continue building round Rodgers.

They're taking their swing on the former and time will tell. What he does in 2020 is ultimately irrelevant.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

I'm not worried about the 3M/year I'm worried about the 35M/year

 

[sjb12681]

At the end of the day, if Love ends up being 50% Aaron Rodgers, and we win a Superbowl post Aaron in the next 10 years...

Nothing else matters from this draft.

 

[Dantés]

The way I see it is Rodgers cap hit and the fact he said he wasn't going to retire any time soon suggests Love barring injury will not see the field until year 4 at soonest this means there will likely not be a super cheap QB contract period, with the lack of talent infusion at several key positions unless at least one of these guys is a HOF talent we are likely wrecked if we don't win now.
We spent a lot of free agency money and went into win now mode now we are in rebuilding mode but with no money.
This means that the amount of pressure on Rodgers and Love is going to be insane and they will likely not have the weapons, defense, or O-line to win a SB with out 2011 Rodgers level play.

None of these guy's where good value at the position picked according to almost everybody considering the best GM's miss more than hit,
Gutes drafting players with late round grades from most experts including those that do a lot of tape study without trading down and reducing risk is highly likely to backfire he is basically saying he knows more than anyone else and there is no chance these guys bust because if they do it could destroy us.

Also the what influence will drafting a possible Rodgers replacement in round one have on the team? The media will be all over this until either Love or Rodgers is gone.
The effect this could have on the teams chemistry scares the heck out of me.

And Gutes track record in the draft hasn't been great so far either.

What is the best case scenario here? Love becomes a great QB a couple of years down the round his contract ends at about the same time we give him a lot of money, AJ Dillon replaces Jones as a solid player who helps us win a couple of games but doesn't give us the missing piece to win a super bowl because he's only replacing what we have, the TE becomes Kittle but we don't have a OL or a DL or a secondary so whoever are QB is has to be playing at a out of this world level for us to win the majority of the time.

This look's horrifically bad.

No one was defending bill O' brien when he traded Hopkins and it's possible that this draft could hurt as bad or worse than that.

I would guess no later than year 3.

I think that's a pretty dramatic conclusion from three draft picks. If it was that dire, would picks #62 and #94 really change anything?

A lot of the picks that have been made by several teams on day two have bucked consensus. Virtually every back that I thought might be an option for the Packers in the 5th round went today. Clearly the league liked the position more than the media did, not just Gutekunst. The Patriots traded up to take Dalton Keene shortly after we took Deguara, a similar prospect with a similar projection. We were told to expect this more than normal this year because of the lack of info out there without pro days. Usually the last month of draft coverage involves the media finding out who the league likes or dislikes, and moving them accordingly.

At some point, they were going to have to start taking shots on Rodgers' successor. I thought next offseason was the right time, but they apparently liked this guy too much to wait. Were they never supposed to do that because it might create some drama in the meda?

I'm surprised to learn that we do not have an OL or a DL or a secondary. That's terrible news.

The best case scenario is that Jordan Love becomes a franchise QB and takes the baton from Rodgers and plays well. Literally, if that's the only thing that comes out of this class, it will have been a success because of how important the position is.

 

[adambr2]

I am at a loss as to how we came into the draft with 2 major offensive needs on the O line and at WR and managed to fill NEITHER.

Honestly, how happy do you think Aaron Rodgers is right now?

 

[TornSolace]

I have not liked our picks but no one can judge a draft this quickly. I say 3 years before placing judgement.

That said "fit wise" this is an insane draft IMO

So we have to suck for the next three years to see if we are any good!

 

[adambr2]

I'm surprised to learn that we do not have an OL or a DL or a secondary. That's terrible news.

Our secondary is fine. Our OL is going to take a step back from losing Bulaga and not adequately filling his spot, no doubt.

Our D-Line is pretty terrible. You have one very good player in Kenny Clark and then a rotation of warm bodies. Also was not addressed before Day 3.

 

[sjb12681]

I am at a loss as to how we came into the draft with 2 major offensive needs on the O line and at WR and managed to fill NEITHER.

Honestly, how happy do you think Aaron Rodgers is right now?

Probably not much.

But he is a 36 year old player. This isn't the Green Bay Rodgers. It's the Green Bay Packers.

I don't care too much about Aaron's opinion outside of his ability to throw it to the players the Packers put on the field.

Admittedly, we have holes that could be addressed.
I care more for coaches opinion on where those holes are than I do Aaron's.

 

[Dantés]

Our secondary is fine. Our OL is going to take a step back from losing Bulaga and not adequately filling his spot, no doubt.

Our D-Line is pretty terrible. You have one very good player in Kenny Clark and then a rotation of warm bodies. Also was not addressed before Day 3.

Like anyone else in the league, it's a two iDL defense the vast majority of the time. One of great, and the other, Lowry, is OK. He's fine. And he's replaced on passing downs often enough by Z. Smith playing inside.

I'm not saying the iDL is a strength, but I've never understood why it's a dire need.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he develops into a franchise QB and takes the baton from Rodgers the way Rodgers took it from Favre, he will be a great pick... probably the greatest pick of the whole draft considering the value of the position.

Yes, in a bubble that is how you hope it turns out. Meanwhile, what do you give up by using that first round pick (and a 4th) this season on a player that barring injury to #12 sits on the bench for at least 2 years? While I readily admit, there was not one player that you get @ #26 that instantly fixes all of the Packers weaknesses, you are getting zero immediate help with Love. Contrarily, if you find a starter there, at a position of need, you are much closer to fixing your needs. Love doesn't fix anything for at least the next 2 seasons. IMO, the odds are probably higher for Patrick Queen to have an immediate impact and at some point if Love does start playing, his odds slowly increase for having a higher impact than Queen after 4 or so years. No guarantees with either player though.

I know what you are saying, if you invest a small chunk of your draft capital now, it could potentially pay big dividends down the road or in the case of a backup QB, pay nothing. If we were an 8-8 team and a few years out, I would have less of an issue with that strategy. Much harder to swallow when you are coming off a 13-3 season, one win away from the Super Bowl and your GM literally uses 4 of his first picks on 3 players that will most likely be backups in 2020 and potentially longer.

 

[adambr2]

Like anyone else in the league, it's a two iDL defense the vast majority of the time. One of great, and the other, Lowry, is OK. He's fine. And he's replaced on passing downs often enough by Z. Smith playing inside.

I'm not saying the iDL is a strength, but I've never understood why it's a dire need.

Lowry isn't good. He was PFFs 85th out of 114 interior linemen, and a big reason that our run defense was such a liability at times. He has his ok moments, but also completely vanished in others.

Gute also completely misjudged the D-line market and gave Lowry 3/21 or so at a time when we've seen guys like Malik Collins and Danny Shelton sign deals for under $6M AAV.

 

[Dantés]

Yes, in a bubble that is how you hope it turns out. Meanwhile, what do you give up by using that first round pick (and a 4th) this season on a player that barring injury to #12 sits on the bench for at least 2 years? While I readily admit, there was not one player that you get @ #26 that instantly fixes all of the Packers weaknesses, you are getting zero immediate help with Love. Contrarily, if you find a starter there, at a position of need, you are much closer to fixing your needs. Love doesn't fix anything for at least the next 2 seasons.

I know what you are saying, if you invest a small chunk of your draft capital now, it could potentially pay big dividends down the road or in the case of a backup QB, pay nothing. If we were an 8-8 team and a few years out, I would have less of an issue with that strategy. Much harder to swallow when you are coming off a 13-3 season, one win away from the Super Bowl and your GM literally uses 4 of his first picks on 3 players that will most likely be backups in 2020 and potentially longer.

Yeah, I get it. In fact, I feel it.

I'm just saying that five years from now, if Love has hit, Packer fans are going to look back on this draft as a super savvy success.

 

[Dantés]

Lowry isn't good. He was PFFs 85th out of 114 interior linemen, and a big reason that our run defense was such a liability at times. He has his ok moments, but also completely vanished in others.

Gute also completely misjudged the D-line market and gave Lowry 3/21 or so at a time when we've seen guys like Malik Collins and Danny Shelton sign deals for under $6M AAV.

Lowry is a solid enough role player as the second iDL, especially on earlier downs. I'm not saying he's a great contract, but he's not a sieve either.

 

[Spanky]

This draft sucks. But it's too early to say worst ever.

What I would like, though, is for Gute to admit in a press conference that he is punting on 2020. If he denies it he's a liar.