So, should you be held accountable in the court of public opinion for everything you've ever said to another person? it's not just let boys be boys. As far as I can tell it's a few emails from a decade ago. and he didn't say gay people can't play football did he? He said Goodell shouldn't be throwing his weight around and pressuring a certain team to take one. I happen to agree just like I doin't think anybody should be pressuring teams to give Mike Vick or Gordon another chance, but that's probably cause their black and i'm racist...
and others need to realize not every word a person says in un-excusable or an indictment on their character or a reflection of their life either.
If this is your criteria, or what you interpret the criteria to be... then "NO" he shouldn't be fired.
If he didn't break any rules of his employer (or any laws for that matter though I'm sure every employer has rules about employees committing crimes), then I agree with you, he should not be fired. I think I've been pretty clearly in that camp. But I'm also in the camp that doesn't know what rules his employer has in place. It may pass the straight-face test that there would not be rules referring to work done for other companies, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn otherwise either.
Well. He knew he intended to coach again someday. Did ESPN know about this back when it happened? I know they have a pick and choose discipline policy there but you would think they would have addressed this then in light of who they are.
Right or wrong the power of the NYT scares so many people that they can gather 10 year old emails.
Something like that hangs over because innately players or most players will have that in the back of their mind and if not someone like the NYT will forever remind them. It is the modern time. I was called some demeaning terms by coaches and teachers back in the day. It did not bother me then and it does not bother me now.
I believe you are right. I loved to watch Michael Vick play except against us. But what he did not only was criminal but it should have banned him for life. They gave him a second chance. Would they give Gruden a second chance? I doubt it.
Most companies do progressive discipline. If it was a player that said that the Union although represented by black players and leaders would still be required legally and by contract to represent the player in defense of his job. Ironic. But I figure the league would suspend first and then after enough pressure from internal and external forces would ban him permanently.
Fair point.
On some level he got into trouble because he was talking crap about people behind their back. Not a particularly uncommon phenomenon in the world. But the real issue is he used made some non-PC statements.
I know. Its my opinion (granted also without the full details or both arguments) that this was a political move. Jon Gruden rubbed people at the executive level of the NFL. His comments were personal in nature and spoke to politics and likely were either directly or indirectly aimed at one or more members of the “committee”.
Well, you can't make comments like that in this day and age and stay employed in a high profile public position. Of course, they were from 10 years ago, and were supposedly private emails, but that doesn't seem to matter. I just wonder what the motivation was of whoever leaked them. From what I understand, they were investigating the Washington Football Team for some sort of ****** harassment allegations, and came across these emails?
I'm guessing Goodell was privvy to these emails & their contents...so not hard to imagine why he'd want Gruden outted.
