Fire Capers

[gopkrs]

I would like to see several new coaches the way our DBs play so far off the receivers on 3rd down. And I do worry about how the coaches evaluate what they have. Just look at our new running back! How can they not see what he has? But I am also worried about MMs choices of new coaches.

 

[brandon2348]

I would like to see several new coaches the way our DBs play so far off the receivers on 3rd down. And I do worry about how the coaches evaluate what they have. Just look at our new running back! How can they not see what he has? But I am also worried about MMs choices of new coaches.

That's why it's time to bring in Dorsey and clean house.

 

[adambr2]

Probably the most frustrating thing about this defense is continuously watching the DBs play 8-10 yards off the receivers as opposing offenses slowly bleed us down the field time and time again.

I am not saying we need to press every down, but my goodness. Take advantage of the 5 yard rule and try to control the line of scrimmage once in awhile, especially in 3rd/4th and medium situations. Not exactly a shocker that we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th down when we allow 8-10 yards off the line.

 

[Croak]

Probably the most frustrating thing about this defense is continuously watching the DBs play 8-10 yards off the receivers as opposing offenses slowly bleed us down the field time and time again.

I am not saying we need to press every down, but my goodness. Take advantage of the 5 yard rule and try to control the line of scrimmage once in awhile, especially in 3rd/4th and medium situations. Not exactly a shocker that we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th down when we allow 8-10 yards off the line.

I wonder why they do that? Is it because our DBs aren't fast enough to keep up with a lot of these up and coming recievers? It is a puzzler and does, at least to my eyes, seem they do play off a lot.

 

[Mondio]

Probably the most frustrating thing about this defense is continuously watching the DBs play 8-10 yards off the receivers as opposing offenses slowly bleed us down the field time and time again.

I am not saying we need to press every down, but my goodness. Take advantage of the 5 yard rule and try to control the line of scrimmage once in awhile, especially in 3rd/4th and medium situations. Not exactly a shocker that we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th down when we allow 8-10 yards off the line.

If they're going to go down, go down swinging for once. I'm sick of seeing 3rd and long after 3rd and long after 3rd and long converted because we don't want to give up the big play. Give it up, let the players get better, but start contesting some of those routes and throws.

 

[adambr2]

Pretty much. Since Capers can't run a successful defense without having superior talent at all 11 positions, (and apparently still can't), we are forced to try to load up every year on defense in the draft at the expense of whatever we have going on with the offense.

So every few years we throw A-Rodg a bone and draft a receiver or O lineman early, but other than that we just load up on D and tell Rodgers to do his thing.

There's zero excuse or reason that we still don't have a successful defense after many years of working on it.

 

[Sunshine885500]

I totally agree with you

 

[easyk83]

And how much due to the fact that Clay has lost a step?

Hard to say, but very few pass rushers would look good with the coverage that we have. Perry is able to get his sacks by trashing his man at the PoA but other than some fantastic surges at point of contact he don't have enough time to get to the qb either typically. I wager he'd still be a 10-13 sack a year a good secondary and if he stayed healthy.

 

[rmontro]

So every few years we throw A-Rodg a bone and draft a receiver or O lineman early, but other than that we just load up on D and tell Rodgers to do his thing.

Yep, and the defense doesn't get any better, so we might as well be flushing all those draft picks. Players like Hyde and Hayward seem to reach their peak after they go to another team.

The Eagles hung 51 on Denver today. That suggests many things:
1) Even good defenses can have bad days
2) The Eagles may be the latest NFC team to ascend to a top position (and another obstacle in our way)
3) Denver flat shut our offense down last year when we played them. Maybe it's because Rodgers is the entire offense.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I don't see any comparison between these two prospects.

My comment was tongue in cheek that there was almost nothing that Biegel could do to play worse than Fackrell.

 

[HardRightEdge]

That's why it's time to bring in Dorsey and clean house.

Reid getting Dorsey fired is kind of interesting in retrospect.

Hunt changed the organizational scheme such that Reid and Dorsey both reported to him, thereby giving Reid equal authority with a presumed joint responsibility for personnel decisions.

Rumors had it that Dorsey continued to roll his own, not re-signing Macklin and Charles, paying big contracts on the O-Line, being cap-stressed, contentious negotiations with Houston and Berry.

Yeah, well, Dorsey drafted Hunt, Smith is putting up MVP numbers without Macklin and behind that overpaid O-Line, Hill's getting more targets without Macklin around, and Berry ended up on IR (again).

One constant throughout the career of Andy Reid, regardless of the GM, is fast starts and late season or playoff fade outs suggesting a difficulty with adaptability and in-season adjustments.

Dorsey would be a better fit where the organizational philosophy is that the GM picks the ingredients as a "super scout", with a cap management guru providing some control in the proceedings, while the head coach cooks the meal. I wonder which organizations might follow that model.

 

[Raptorman]

Something on another thread got me to thinking. So I did some checking. Since 2012 the Packers have played 34 games against team that ended up with winning records at the end of the year. Their record in those games is 15 wins and 19 losses. Now, that wasn't good enough for me so I took out the division games. Which ended up being 10 of those games, which they won 6 of 10. That leaves 24 games against teams with winning records outside the division. In those games they went 9 and 15. Now, I haven't had a chance to look at other teams so far. But one has to wonder, if the Packers can't go at least .500 against teams with winning records........they won't make it back to the Super Bowl. This I believe goes hand in hand with the defense giving up 22.8 points per game during that same time period.

 

[brandon2348]

Yeah, well, Dorsey drafted Hunt,

Dorsey would be a better fit where the organizational philosophy is that the GM picks the ingredients as a "super scout", with a cap management guru providing some control in the proceedings, while the head coach cooks the meal. I wonder which organizations might follow that model.

I remember a certain poster on here liking Hunt a lot pre-draft.

You were all over Hunt.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I remember a certain poster on here liking Hunt a lot pre-draft.

You were all over Hunt.

I'd like to say I was all over Hunt. Having looked at a whole lot of possible picks I might have said something favorable about him, but I don't recall and frankly I doubt it. I suspect you're thinking of somebody else.

 

[easyk83]

And how much due to the fact that Clay has lost a step?

Just to elucidate on this. In 2010 Clay Matthews looked like he might knock off the single season sack record before he started picking up his nagging injuries, hamstrings and such. But he still finished the year with 13.5 sacks. Then in 11 he picks up a mere 6 sacks although he managed quite a few hurries and knock downs. Was it that Clay suddenly lost a step or was it because Collins was gone, Williams was hurt and Woodson was another year older. Oh yeah and Shields had a bit of a second year swoon. I'd argue 2011 Clay was largely the same player but without the kind of pass coverage behind him that he had in 2010.

 

[Mondio]

people are livid we let players like Hyde and Hayward go, can you imagine their reaction had we not invested in one of the leagues premier pass rushers at the time?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

people are livid we let players like Hyde and Hayward go, can you imagine their reaction had we not invested in one of the leagues premier pass rushers at the time?

I think you misunderstand what they're actually livid about. It's not being upset we let go of them, it's that other DCs have found ways to help them thrive. I think we could import a CB even as good as Josh Norman here and he'd look bad in Capers's scheme.

Now ... It may not be the ins and outs of the scheme itself gone bad, but just the fundamentals. When you don't get off the field on 3rd down, you got issues with fundamentals out there. Capers is fundamentally unsound in what he's doing

 

[rmontro]

That leaves 24 games against teams with winning records outside the division. In those games they went 9 and 15. Now, I haven't had a chance to look at other teams so far. But one has to wonder, if the Packers can't go at least .500 against teams with winning records........they won't make it back to the Super Bowl.

It's beginning to look more and more like this team is simply not that good (outside of Rodgers). Something needs to change.

 

[Chad Hart]

Fire capers..this defense is a joke...scheme is horrible. Same old defense year in and year out..teams dont respect the cornerbacks cause they know they can throw way down field and their man will be open. You can say its not capers its the players but capers hand picked these players to play in his defensive scheme so it all boils down to still being his responsibility. Get rid of him, hes a cancer.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

#FireDom

 

[swhitset]

I thought I'd put a new spin on this..... umm.. maybe the Packers should.... umm.... FIRE CAPERS!

 

[Darryl Tincknell]

If tonight’s “performance “ by the GB defense does not seal Dom Capers fate then nothing will. What an absolute embarrassment to the Packer organization and fans on the national stage tonight. Although the offense didn’t look great, the Packers will have a hard time just winning a game the rest of the year if something doesn’t change in GB on defense. They had two weeks to prepare for the Lions and it was the same crap they’ve been rolling out all year. No pass rush, soft,soft coverage and terrible scheme. The screen was the cherry on top of Dom Capers sundae of ineptitude. It’s gonna be a hard watch the rest of the year guys

 

[gonzozab]

It's beginning to look more and more like this team is simply not that good (outside of Rodgers). Something needs to change.

Beginning????

 

[Mike McCarthy]

What will it take to start making wholesale changes? This team is absolutely terrible without Rodgers on the field, I’d say more than capers need to be shown the door, totally inept. We may not win again this season the way this is looking. UGLY!

 

[Mondio]

There was pretty much zero pressure on Detroit all night. The 2-3 times we did we won. But they rarely did. He just sat back there and threw passes without a care in the world.