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So how do you know what TT told Brett? I believe Brett knew what he was getting into.
pyledriver80 said:Zero2Cool said:Cdnfavrefan, there are many ways to disgrace a tv program, that however was one of the worst.
In defense of CSI, they view ALL scenarios possible. Something the disgrace does not care to disclose in their posts.
Yep, way to insult instead of argue Zero, could you please put together the OTHER side of the scenario for me?
packerfanfourever said:So how do you know what TT told Brett? I believe Brett knew what he was getting into.
Packnic said:Rebuilding has such an ugly sound to it. id prefer we call what TT is doing "reloading".
pyledriver80 said:Zero2Cool said:Cdnfavrefan, there are many ways to disgrace a tv program, that however was one of the worst.
In defense of CSI, they view ALL scenarios possible. Something the disgrace does not care to disclose in their posts.
Yep, way to insult instead of argue Zero, could you please put together the OTHER side of the scenario for me?
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gopackgo said:That's a lot of code.
Why does rebuilding mean changing everything at once? Favre gives us the best chance to give Jennings the chance to learn. Having him pick up tips from Favre gives him tremendous potential. Rodgers can wait. He will have enough pressure on him to live up to Favre's potential. And I don't how many times it has been said to let the O-line mesh before bringing Rodgers in.
By the way, Zero, hope you don't mind if I steal your picture.
DePack said:gopackgo said:That's a lot of code.
Why does rebuilding mean changing everything at once? Favre gives us the best chance to give Jennings the chance to learn. Having him pick up tips from Favre gives him tremendous potential. Rodgers can wait. He will have enough pressure on him to live up to Favre's potential. And I don't how many times it has been said to let the O-line mesh before bringing Rodgers in.
By the way, Zero, hope you don't mind if I steal your picture.
Good post. Besides when Favre does leave you're gonna have to rebuild again.
calicheesehead said:Before we put any new QB in place we need two things to happen or it will be a mess with little success. 1) Solid OL to get the run game back on track/protect the QB/give the QB a chance to play action.2) Solid D to keep the team in the game and pressure off the QB.
Greg C. said:I think Michael Silver makes a lot of good points in this article, even though he is somewhat overdramatic. Also, I think it would be hypocritical for the Packers to bench or trade Favre during the course of the season, and somewhat hypocritical for Favre to demand a trade during the season. Here is the quote from the article that struck me as really being on the money:
I discussed this situation with a person who is extremely plugged into the Packers' organization, and he likened it to "one of those mismatched couples that stay together even though they don't really want to be in the relationship. But neither one wants to be the bad guy and end it, so on it goes."
I think that sums it up right there.
There are three things Thompson could've done when he got here. One was to try to win it all right now with Brett Favre. Another was to rebuild and try to either trade Favre or force him into retirement. This second one was not much of an option, because the fans would hate Thompson forever if he did that.
So Thompson chose the third option, which was somewhere in between the others: Rebuild the team while trying to keep Favre on board. It is a very awkward way to go, but then, it is almost always awkward when a great QB nears the end of his career. John Elway was a rare exception. Regarding Favre, I think Thompson is making the best of a difficult situation. Whether or not Thompson proves to be a good GM overall is still to be decided.
majikman said:Greg C. said:I think Michael Silver makes a lot of good points in this article, even though he is somewhat overdramatic. Also, I think it would be hypocritical for the Packers to bench or trade Favre during the course of the season, and somewhat hypocritical for Favre to demand a trade during the season. Here is the quote from the article that struck me as really being on the money:
I discussed this situation with a person who is extremely plugged into the Packers' organization, and he likened it to "one of those mismatched couples that stay together even though they don't really want to be in the relationship. But neither one wants to be the bad guy and end it, so on it goes."
I think that sums it up right there.
There are three things Thompson could've done when he got here. One was to try to win it all right now with Brett Favre. Another was to rebuild and try to either trade Favre or force him into retirement. This second one was not much of an option, because the fans would hate Thompson forever if he did that.
So Thompson chose the third option, which was somewhere in between the others: Rebuild the team while trying to keep Favre on board. It is a very awkward way to go, but then, it is almost always awkward when a great QB nears the end of his career. John Elway was a rare exception. Regarding Favre, I think Thompson is making the best of a difficult situation. Whether or not Thompson proves to be a good GM overall is still to be decided.
There was a 4th option Greg that would have been a win/win for everyone had TT chosen to take it.
TT could have started the rebuilding AND given Favre a good offensive line and WR threats. All he had to do was sign a decent veteran lineman or two, and a good vet WR to compliment Driver earlier on in FA rather than having to scramble to try and do so now.
I think TT really didn't care about winning now even with Brett Favre on his team, and that is where he made his fatal flaw. If you have a QB of Brett's caliber on your team, you should always try to put him in a position where he can win football games for your organization. It wouldn't have taken much effort, and it would have left plenty of $$ and resources to rebuild the defense, which is really where most of the Packers problems were after the o-line.
Yeah thats all we had to do. come on guys its easy. just sign a decent veteran lineman and a WR and were going to the superbowl baby.
and the fact that you think it wouldnt take much effort is what kills me. the NFL aint that easy bub. Everyone wants to win. but only one team gets the championship. and you show me how TT could have added the veteran lineman that we need, a WR, AND rebuild the defense with the little money he had. Then show me how easy it was, THEN SHOW ME HOW YOU CAN GUARENTEE IT WOULD WORK.
How bout this solution. Bring in a defense, draft some talented lineman for the future and bring in a pro bowl WR for pennies. hmmm
Wins equal job... Loses equal no job. If you think that TT doesnt really care about winning. well your just misinformed i guess.
We need to get to the point where we are competitive before we can even dream of a championship.