Dez Bryant signed by the Saints

[Pokerbrat2000]

at 7 million I'd have rather kept Jordy for 10, even if he was done

I still would love to know what amount Jordy would have accepted to stay. I just keep reading, Packers low balled him near Vet. min and negotiations were done. Which if true, as most have said, the Packers really didn't want to keep him, but then why insult him (and fans) with that offer?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think so. He is not going to come in with the assumption he will be the #1 option, or at least I would hope his role would be adequately explained to him. As such he is going to have to realize that his "prove it" is more in line with doing the best with what he is given and NOT whining and complaining about it. Teams have concerns that he has lost something and he can prove them wrong with 75 targets as easily as he can with 150. He doesn't need to lead the league in anything he just has to show he can be productive with what he is asked to do and if he can do that on 75 targets teams should be able to figure out his stats would be higher with more.



Exactly. If he starts whining and complaining that he isn't getting the ball he has to know that will not help in his quest for a long terms deal. If he is looking for a chance to come in and be a teams #1 WR and get the bulk of the targets it would be up to Gute to explain it to him that that won't be the case (assuming that wouldn't be the case). If he agree to that he will have to realize he has to prove what he can do within his new role. If that is not acceptable I don't think he would sign.




Could that happen? Why are there not protocols in place to prevent that? I thought we had some standards here?




I agree especially if you realize that we could have most likely kept Jordy for 7 or even 5. I'm guessing Gute had no real interest in keeping Jordy around at all hence the lowball offer.

I'd be OK with 5 for Dez but as Poker said less would be better.

Hey unless you are setting me up with your friends daughter, I might ban you from quoting me!

 

[sschind]

Hey unless you are setting me up with your friends daughter, I might ban you from quoting me!

I'll see what I can do. No promises.

 

[Jerellh528]

Lots of back and forth on Dez, not sure if we ever discussed what posters would consider signing him for? Please don't say "vet minimum".

The Ravens reportedly offered Bryant a contract that was comparable to the one that Michael Crabtree signed with Baltimore, meaning the Ravens were offering a three-year deal for roughly $21 million. Not only did Crabtree get a three-year deal, but his contract also included a $7 million signing bonus and $11 million total in guaranteed money. Bryant turned it down because he said he would prefer a 1 year deal and this would probably be in hopes of making more than $7 M/year after that. He also may not have liked the situation in Baltimore.

I'm thinking a one year $5 M lands him, but would prefer less if the Packers go that route.

Not sure what the real numbers are but I’ve read after the draft picks are signed, packers will have about 13 million in cap left? I’d extend Rodgers and then see what was left over but a 1 year deal in the 5-7 range would be cool by me

 

[rmontro]

I still would love to know what amount Jordy would have accepted to stay. I just keep reading, Packers low balled him near Vet. min and negotiations were done. Which if true, as most have said, the Packers really didn't want to keep him, but then why insult him (and fans) with that offer?

It seems odd that the Packers would sign Bryant after passing on Nelson, considering they are both suspected of being past their prime due to injuries. Jordy ended up getting a bundle though. If the Packers sign Bryant, it would either be for a cheap deal, or because they consider him to be in a lot better shape than Nelson. Otherwise it would make no sense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It seems odd that the Packers would sign Bryant after passing on Nelson, considering they are both suspected of being past their prime due to injuries. Jordy ended up getting a bundle though. If the Packers sign Bryant, it would either be for a cheap deal, or because they consider him to be in a lot better shape than Nelson. Otherwise it would make no sense.

Yes and a valid point of how some fans would perceive things. The 2 stories probably wouldn't line up very well from a PR standpoint. Gute and the Packers would have to be convinced, as well as convincing Jordy fans, that Bryant is an upgrade over Jordy. If it worked out poorly, Bryant is a dud and Jordy has a decent season with the Raiders, it might be something fans would never let Gute forget about either.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Packers are not expected to sign Bryant.

The Packers did have some interest in Bryant when he was first released by the Cowboys, according to the report. But after the Packers drafted wide receiver J'Mon Moore in the fourth round, wide receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling in the fifth round and wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brownin the sixth round, that interest waned.

That being said, any injury to our veterans or more than one of our rookies and he might be able to get a call. Since none of our rookies have ever had any substantial experience on special teams, that very well could happen.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That being said, any injury to our veterans or more than one of our rookies and he might be able to get a call. Since none of our rookies have ever had any substantial experience on special teams, that very well could happen.

Even though it's been over a month since his release, I would be very surprised if Dez is unemployed come Aug/Sep which is when you would most likely see those injuries start to happen.

 

[Dantés]

Yes and a valid point of how some fans would perceive things. The 2 stories probably wouldn't line up very well from a PR standpoint. Gute and the Packers would have to be convinced, as well as convincing Jordy fans, that Bryant is an upgrade over Jordy. If it worked out poorly, Bryant is a dud and Jordy has a decent season with the Raiders, it might be something fans would never let Gute forget about either.

Or if not an upgrade, a similar player for a lot less money.

 

[Dantés]

I still think he will end up in New York. He desperately wants to show up the Cowboys. We don’t play them in the regular season. With the Giants, he would have two chances at revenge as a division rival. NY, for their part, released Marshall and didn’t draft a receiver. Their #3 right now is Cody Latimer.

 

[Jerellh528]

Ian rapoport says we’re not expected to sign Dez.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...-packers-not-expected-to-sign-dez-bryant/amp/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still think he will end up in New York. He desperately wants to show up the Cowboys. We don’t play them in the regular season. With the Giants, he would have two chances at revenge as a division rival. NY, for their part, released Marshall and didn’t draft a receiver. Their #3 right now is Cody Latimer.

I think that would be short sided thinking on Dez's part if he had a choice between the 2 teams and picks the Giants. Is this about furthering his career with the greatest QB in the game or 2 revenge games with Eli and a team that was 31st in scoring, 19th in pass yds/game and just got a new toy in Saquon?

 

[BrokenArrow]

Ian rapoport says we’re not expected to sign Dez.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...-packers-not-expected-to-sign-dez-bryant/amp/

Not that I think he's wrong, since this is kind of an obvious call to make, but he says all kinds of stupid crap to get his name in the paper.

 

[ExpatPacker]

I don't think so. He is not going to come in with the assumption he will be the #1 option, or at least I would hope his role would be adequately explained to him. As such he is going to have to realize that his "prove it" is more in line with doing the best with what he is given and NOT whining and complaining about it. Teams have concerns that he has lost something and he can prove them wrong with 75 targets as easily as he can with 150. He doesn't need to lead the league in anything he just has to show he can be productive with what he is asked to do and if he can do that on 75 targets teams should be able to figure out his stats would be higher with more.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bryant is a prima donna and expects to be treated like one. The problem is, in order for him to "prove it", he's going to have to get the ball pretty often, as often as Graham and Adams, and if he doesn't he's probably going to whine. Packers don't need that.

We drafted 3 promising WRs. Adding Bryant doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially after letting Jordy go.

 

[ExpatPacker]

I think short sided thinking on Dez's part if he had a choice between the 2 teams and picks the Giants. Is this about furthering his career with the greatest QB in the game or 2 revenge games with Eli and a team that was 31st in scoring, 19th in pass yds/game and just got a new toy in Saquon?

That's another reason why I don't want Bryant -- his attitude. He's more interested in revenge against the Cowboys than contributing however he can to a team.

 

[Dantés]

I think short sided thinking on Dez's part if he had a choice between the 2 teams and picks the Giants. Is this about furthering his career with the greatest QB in the game or 2 revenge games with Eli and a team that was 31st in scoring, 19th in pass yds/game and just got a new toy in Saquon?

If the early reports I heard were true, it’s about the latter.

 

[RRyder]

Ian rapoport says we’re not expected to sign Dez.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...-packers-not-expected-to-sign-dez-bryant/amp/

He's probably right but if we're using 3 late round draft picks as the reason not to sign someone this management has bigger issues.

I'm not even an advocate of signing Dez but the reasoning is just dumb

 

[elcid]

He's probably right but if we're using 3 late round draft picks as the reason not to sign someone this management has bigger issues.

I'm not even an advocate of signing Dez but the reasoning is just dumb

You are probably the most negative fan on this forum imo. The Front Office (like yourself) does not feel like signing Dez, yet you still disagree and mock their decision. Man, I’d really wonder what GM could ever satisfy if only one of your needs as a fan.

I’d sign Dez to a 1 year deal against 4 or 5 million. Im confident in the WR group as it is, but its only one Davante injury away of becoming a BIG question mark.

 

[PackerDNA]

If the early reports I heard were true, it’s about the latter.

Which, if the concern with him is character and attitude, tells you all you need to know.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I don't think so. He is not going to come in with the assumption he will be the #1 option, or at least I would hope his role would be adequately explained to him. As such he is going to have to realize that his "prove it" is more in line with doing the best with what he is given and NOT whining and complaining about it. Teams have concerns that he has lost something and he can prove them wrong with 75 targets as easily as he can with 150. He doesn't need to lead the league in anything he just has to show he can be productive with what he is asked to do and if he can do that on 75 targets teams should be able to figure out his stats would be higher with more.



Exactly. If he starts whining and complaining that he isn't getting the ball he has to know that will not help in his quest for a long terms deal. If he is looking for a chance to come in and be a teams #1 WR and get the bulk of the targets it would be up to Gute to explain it to him that that won't be the case (assuming that wouldn't be the case). If he agree to that he will have to realize he has to prove what he can do within his new role. If that is not acceptable I don't think he would sign.




Could that happen? Why are there not protocols in place to prevent that? I thought we had some standards here?




I agree especially if you realize that we could have most likely kept Jordy for 7 or even 5. I'm guessing Gute had no real interest in keeping Jordy around at all hence the lowball offer.

I'd be OK with 5 for Dez but as Poker said less would be better.

Likely moot points.....I don't see him becoming a Packer, especially since they drafted three WR's who will be playing for a whole lot less money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Likely moot points.....I don't see him becoming a Packer, especially since they drafted three WR's who will be playing for a whole lot less money.

I'm pretty excited about the 3 rookie WR's, however signing a FA WR like Dez should only be viewed as a short term move to try and immediately improve the 2018 Packers. I don't really expect any of the rookies to be major contributors at WR in 2018. I base that opinion on where they were chosen in the draft, as well as the history of the position in GB under Rodgers.

So until those rookies develop, I consider the WR position to actually be pretty thin in the experience department and given the number of injuries we have seen at WR, that concerns me.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'm pretty excited about the 3 rookie WR's, however signing a FA WR like Dez should only be viewed as a short term move to try and immediately improve the 2018 Packers. I don't really expect any of the rookies to be major contributors at WR in 2018. I base that opinion on where they were chosen in the draft, as well as the history of the position in GB under Rodgers.

So until those rookies develop, I consider the WR position to actually be pretty thin in the experience department and given the number of injuries we have seen at WR, that concerns me.

Yep, too much youth at certain positions. I expect them to try to add veterans at WR and in the secondary.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm pretty excited about the 3 rookie WR's, however signing a FA WR like Dez should only be viewed as a short term move to try and immediately improve the 2018 Packers. I don't really expect any of the rookies to be major contributors at WR in 2018. I base that opinion on where they were chosen in the draft, as well as the history of the position in GB under Rodgers.

So until those rookies develop, I consider the WR position to actually be pretty thin in the experience department and given the number of injuries we have seen at WR, that concerns me.

I'm not really sure putting Dez on the roster really elevates the receiving corps all that much......He hasn't had a 1,000 yard season since 2014.

He has, however, been a major pain in the lower regions at times for Dallas. Would he be on his best behavior in GB? Maybe, but then again, maybe not.

 

[PackerDNA]

I don't believe the Packers are considering Bryant at all. I think this recent stuff is just a lot of media driven speculation.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yep, too much youth at certain positions. I expect them to try to add veterans at WR and in the secondary.

I fully agree. As "stacked" as some might perceive both of those positions to be now, they are very inexperienced.

CB: You have Williams and House, after that, not much experience at all and a second year player in King, that could face continued problems with his shoulder.

WR: Beyond Adams and Cobb, we have Allison. GMO is a 3rd year UDFA with 35 catches. Otherwise, the rest are all inexperienced 4th to late round picks.