Dez Bryant signed by the Saints

[Conso]

Yea he is both an asset and a problem. That’s why I’d be ok with a 1 yr deal, gives a real good SB chance and rookies can have that year to develop. After the year, let him go somewhere else if he wants that high pay and attention.

 

[sschind]

In my mind there is no doubt Dez would be a huge upgrade at the WR spot opposite Adams. I also think that if he is truly looking for a one year chance to prove he still has what it takes to land a major deal he would behave for a year. I also believe that if they do sign him they will use him. I could see him becoming the 3rd option outpacing Graham by a bit (I still think Cobb will be the #2 option) To me it all comes down to money. How much, or perhaps more accurately, how little is he willing to accept.

Not to keep bringing up Jordy Nelson but I wonder what it would have taken to keep him here. If in fact he was offered s little over his minimum it tells me the Packers really didn't want him around anyway. If they offer Dez more all season long fans will be comparing the two and wondering if Nelson would have stayed for what we paid Bryant.

The hardest part for many fans will be pulling a 180 rooting for a player they have hated for so long. Many were willing to do so for Randy Moss and I am guessing most would be willing to do so for Dez Bryant. I would have absolutely no reservations rooting for Bryant to put up huge numbers. I never really followed him that closely to develop any opinions about him either way other than he was a cowboy and I don't like the cowboys. I'll root for just about any player the Packers sign to have a career year. I'm sure there are a few I would not like as a person but as a Packer I would like to see the numbers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some of the things that happened this offseason leads me to believe that Gute and the Packers aren't quite settled at the WR position.

1. Rumors of them going after a couple of the high end FA WR's.
2. Cutting Jordy, but I think that was in the cards from the beginning.
3. Drafting 3 WR's.

So unless they all of a sudden like Geronimo or are super high on 1 of the rookies, it won't surprise me at all if they still sign a FA WR, just not sure if Dez is the one.

 

[Alex]

I'd rather have Eric Decker or Jeremy Maclin at this point. Don't need Dez's whiny attitude when he's not getting treated like a #1.

 

[GleefulGary]

I would be all for Dez on a 1 year.

 

[Dantés]

He’s not washed up, just not worth 12/yr. He IS still a definitive threat though and guessing has a chip on his shoulder about Dallas. So this is what I figure, he works out hard, takes a cheap 1 yr deal somewhere with a good QB and a SB shot, and cracks a big grin if he puts up nice numbers plus will have proof he’s worth a ton of money to some team with cap space. All in all he gets a SB ring (maybe), proves naysayers wrong that he’s washed up, and gets his fat contract in 2019. That’s sounds like something an ego-maniac would do to me. Question is is Gute aiming for SB this year, or letting rookies develop a year and make that run next year.

I don't think he's completely useless or washed up, but limited. On a cheap, one year deal I can see it. But I was responding to someone saying that he'd have a "career year" with Rodgers. For a guy who has had multiple seasons as a dominant #1 receiver with 1300+ yards and 12+ touchdowns, that seems ridiculous.

 

[gbgary]

I can't help but notice that, to this point at least, other NFL teams aren't exactly rushing to sign him.......

how would we know? no one knew the bal offered him a contract until he said it (and they didn't deny it).

 

[Snoops]

I still think decker would be a nice pick up if he is still available I think he is underrated

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Dez is such a interesting play ... I could form a great argument for or against him.
I remember how tough he was to cover with romo tossing the ball. Had to double team him... Him having a chip on his shoulder only adds to the possibility of the old Dez showing up...

I'd really like to see it, now that I think about it. A cheap deal like Randy Moss did for new England...

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Time to add some fuel to the fire:


Jason Witten thinks Dez Bryant will be a Packer

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/15/jason-witten-thinks-dez-bryant-will-be-a-packer/


For whatever that's worth.......

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time to add some fuel to the fire:


Jason Witten thinks Dez Bryant will be a Packer

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/15/jason-witten-thinks-dez-bryant-will-be-a-packer/


For whatever that's worth.......

Yup, that is what got this talk all stirred up again. Witten is just hypothesizing, he claims to have no inside knowledge of it.

I guess the only question now, will Monty give up his #88 Jersey for Dez?

 

[sschind]

I'd rather have Eric Decker or Jeremy Maclin at this point. Don't need Dez's whiny attitude when he's not getting treated like a #1.

You are making an assumption that he would react like this in Green Bay. If in fact he is looking for a bigger deal after this season it is not going to look good to start whining as soon as they don't throw him the ball. It will have the opposite effect so he may very well behave for one year. On top of that if they sign him and don't throw him the it was a wasted signing in the first place. I don't think he has what it takes to be the decoy or the guy drawing double teams so signing him with that in mind would be a waste. I do think he could be very productive if utilized properly and that means throwing him the ball and if they throw him the ball and he produces he just might get his wish next year.

 

[Ace]

I'd rather have Eric Decker or Jeremy Maclin at this point. Don't need Dez's whiny attitude when he's not getting treated like a #1.

If this has been brought up, I apologize but if you haven't watched the last All or Nothing on Prime I recommend doing so and then make a judgement like this. I used to think the exact same way but I think Dez is very misunderstood when it comes to this perceived "attitude". Now, I'm not saying he's a perfect teammate or an ideal fit for our locker room (or any locker room for that matter) but I genuinely believe the guy just wants to win.

All that being said, I'm neutral on whether or not he's in a Packers uniform next year. If the Packers believe he can help and give the young guys some time to develop then I'm all for bringing him in. If not, then don't sign him, sounds stupid but it's really that simple. I will say that Dez in the fold would all but put 7 points on the board any time the Packers are inside the 20. Aaron throwing to Tae, Graham, and Dez would be absolutely crazy. It's between the 20's where the issue lies.

 

[Mondio]

What someone says they are and how someone acts when things get tough are sometimes pretty different. Usually the more someone has to explain themselves, the more you don't want them around when the stuff hits the fan. Everyone makes mistakes, apologies are usually a better sign in that instance than explanations. Just general rules I live by, and Dez seems to fit one category more than the other. and at this point in his career, i'm not sure it's worth it.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

You are making an assumption that he would react like this in Green Bay. If in fact he is looking for a bigger deal after this season it is not going to look good to start whining as soon as they don't throw him the ball. It will have the opposite effect so he may very well behave for one year. On top of that if they sign him and don't throw him the it was a wasted signing in the first place. I don't think he has what it takes to be the decoy or the guy drawing double teams so signing him with that in mind would be a waste. I do think he could be very productive if utilized properly and that means throwing him the ball and if they throw him the ball and he produces he just might get his wish next year.

If he were to come to GB on a one-year "prove-it" deal, Dez is going to want the ball.....A LOT. You can't "prove-it" without the ball.

So, yes, there could be a cause for concern.......

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With Rodgers throwing around 500-600 passes during a full 16 game season, I don't see a problem with Adams, Cobb, Graham and ______________ getting their fair share of targets. All they have to do is prove themselves worthy of the targets. If Dez signed with the Packers, it would be up to him to start showing his value and if he does, the balls will come his way. Also, and I may be biased, but I think AR is a much better QB than Dak Prescott, so the quality of those targets should be better than what he saw with Dak.

Edited thanks to Ace pointing out that I was pointing out the obvious.

 

[Ace]

With Rodgers throwing around 500-600 passes during a full 16 game season, I don't see a problem with Adams, Cobb, Graham and ______________ getting their fair share of targets. All they have to do is prove themselves worthy of the targets. If Dez signed with the Packers, it would be up to him to start showing his value and if he does, the balls will come his way. AR is a much better QB than Dak Prescott, so the quality of those targets should be better than what he saw with Dak.

Fixed your post for you, no need to preface AR vs. Dak with "I may be biased, but..."

 

[Jerellh528]

I wouldn’t mind Dez here at all on a one year deal. I’d keep 7 wrs, Adams, Cobb, Dez, the 3 rookies and Clark.
Dez presents a large upgrade over Allison who would be released, and it gives the young, talented wrs a year to develop behind 3 legit vet guys.
I would just feel much more comfortable with Dez opposite Adams than Geronimo or a rookie. Dez at least can asbsorb some defensive attention.
If negotiating to be signed, the smart and logical thing would be for the packers to draw a clear line on what Dez’s role here would be. Obviously Adams eats first and then he would compete for targets after that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fixed your post for you, no need to preface AR vs. Dak with "I may be biased, but..."

Thanks it was said tongue firmly in cheek, but you also never know when someone will accuse you of wearing Green and Gold sunglasses when making statements like that or even worse, a Cowboy fan sneaks in.

 

[Dantés]

Watching Dez from this most recent season, there are basically two things that he still does well. One would be working in breaking routes— slants and digs mostly. He presses into the defender and then break off inside, creating separation. He’s physical enough that this works for him. I’d say it’s his most reliable skill set.

The other thing is what he’s know for; he’s still pretty good at playing the ball in the air and in the red zone. He’s a good target on fades and back shoulder throws.

He would be an improvement on Allison and could be useful as a #2 if deployed correctly. But they need to understand that he’s limited. And they’ll have to gauge for themselves if he’s going to be a malcontent if he’s not “the man.”

 

[swhitset]

Thanks it was said tongue firmly in cheek, but you also never know when someone will accuse you of wearing Green and Gold sunglasses when making statements like that or even worse, a Cowboy fan sneaks in.

I don't even think most Cowboy fans would claim that Prescott was better than Rodgers. From what I've seen in the brief times I've perused a Cowboys forum was them lamenting how good Rodgers is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Lots of back and forth on Dez, not sure if we ever discussed what posters would consider signing him for? Please don't say "vet minimum".

The Ravens reportedly offered Bryant a contract that was comparable to the one that Michael Crabtree signed with Baltimore, meaning the Ravens were offering a three-year deal for roughly $21 million. Not only did Crabtree get a three-year deal, but his contract also included a $7 million signing bonus and $11 million total in guaranteed money. Bryant turned it down because he said he would prefer a 1 year deal and this would probably be in hopes of making more than $7 M/year after that. He also may not have liked the situation in Baltimore.

I'm thinking a one year $5 M lands him, but would prefer less if the Packers go that route.

 

[Dantés]

Lots of back and forth on Dez, not sure if we ever discussed what posters would consider signing him for? Please don't say "vet minimum".

The Ravens reportedly offered Bryant a contract that was comparable to the one that Michael Crabtree signed with Baltimore, meaning the Ravens were offering a three-year deal for roughly $21 million. Not only did Crabtree get a three-year deal, but his contract also included a $7 million signing bonus and $11 million total in guaranteed money. Bryant turned it down because he said he would prefer a 1 year deal and this would probably be in hopes of making more than $7 M/year after that. He also may not have liked the situation in Baltimore.

I'm thinking a one year $5 M lands him, but would prefer less if the Packers go that route.

I think one year, 5-7M is about right.

 

[Mondio]

at 7 million I'd have rather kept Jordy for 10, even if he was done

 

[sschind]

If he were to come to GB on a one-year "prove-it" deal, Dez is going to want the ball.....A LOT. You can't "prove-it" without the ball.

So, yes, there could be a cause for concern.......

I don't think so. He is not going to come in with the assumption he will be the #1 option, or at least I would hope his role would be adequately explained to him. As such he is going to have to realize that his "prove it" is more in line with doing the best with what he is given and NOT whining and complaining about it. Teams have concerns that he has lost something and he can prove them wrong with 75 targets as easily as he can with 150. He doesn't need to lead the league in anything he just has to show he can be productive with what he is asked to do and if he can do that on 75 targets teams should be able to figure out his stats would be higher with more.

With Rodgers throwing around 500-600 passes during a full 16 game season, I don't see a problem with Adams, Cobb, Graham and ______________ getting their fair share of targets. All they have to do is prove themselves worthy of the targets. If Dez signed with the Packers, it would be up to him to start showing his value and if he does, the balls will come his way. Also, and I may be biased, but I think AR is a much better QB than Dak Prescott, so the quality of those targets should be better than what he saw with Dak.

Edited thanks to Ace pointing out that I was pointing out the obvious.

Exactly. If he starts whining and complaining that he isn't getting the ball he has to know that will not help in his quest for a long terms deal. If he is looking for a chance to come in and be a teams #1 WR and get the bulk of the targets it would be up to Gute to explain it to him that that won't be the case (assuming that wouldn't be the case). If he agree to that he will have to realize he has to prove what he can do within his new role. If that is not acceptable I don't think he would sign.

Thanks it was said tongue firmly in cheek, but you also never know when someone will accuse you of wearing Green and Gold sunglasses when making statements like that or even worse, a Cowboy fan sneaks in.

Could that happen? Why are there not protocols in place to prevent that? I thought we had some standards here?

at 7 million I'd have rather kept Jordy for 10, even if he was done

I agree especially if you realize that we could have most likely kept Jordy for 7 or even 5. I'm guessing Gute had no real interest in keeping Jordy around at all hence the lowball offer.

I'd be OK with 5 for Dez but as Poker said less would be better.