Demarious Randall

[PikeBadger]

Capers likes to tinker with different schemes. He will probably bring in a few new tweaks to fit specific personnel groupings. He is "all ball" afterall. It's what he does.

 

[OldSchool101]

Really? I didn't get that from your posts. What don't you like about it?

Seriously, I get the concern about his size - if he can't sustain about the 196 pounds he weighed at the combine that could be a problem. But I'll bet his cover and ball skills are very good and he's faster than Tramon Williams. As for his tackling, we're just going to have to wait and see.

I wonder why Thompson didn't draft a taller, heavier corner with great speed and great cover and ball skills? I'm sure lots were available at #30.

I wondered the same thing. I was expecting 1 taller CB minimum.
I guess I have reoccurring nightmares of Randy Moss days, just playing jump ball all day long against our 5' 11" DBs

 

[Half Empty]

I have one draft book and he's listed in the top ten. I'd say leading the team with a 106 tackles isn't to shabby.

But, wait...oh, I though you were talking about Hawk.

 

[PikeBadger]

I wondered the same thing. I was expecting 1 taller CB minimum.
I guess I have reoccurring nightmares of Randy Moss days, just playing jump ball all day long against our 5' 11" DBs

Moss gave a lot of people nightmares. He was probably the most naturally talented Wide receiver to come out of college in the last 50 years.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I wondered the same thing. I was expecting 1 taller CB minimum.

The Packers brought in Ladarius Gunter (6-1, 202) as an UDFA.

 

[bigbubbatd]

The Packers brought in Ladarius Gunter (6-1, 202) as an UDFA.

Gunter was actually given a 4th to 5th round grade from nfl.com. Seems like a good get but would gb carry 3 rookie cornerbacks? Both Randall and Gunter seem like they could also play safety so I guess it is possible. They would have to unseat just one guy from last year bc of house and williams leaving. Who is the odd man out? Was Banjo on the 53? I guess Bush isn't back yet So that would be three. Hayward, Shields, Hyde, Haha, Burnett are obvious locks. Richardson and Goodson probably are safe as well. There are a lot of spots available

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I wondered the same thing. I was expecting 1 taller CB minimum.
I guess I have reoccurring nightmares of Randy Moss days, just playing jump ball all day long against our 5' 11" DBs

I think Randy Moss has really thrown people off. Let's all remember, Randy Moss did that against EVERY corner. There wasn't a single corner in the NFL that could cover him one-on-one. Finding tall corners is not easy, they are extremely rare. 6' plus corners with good ball skills go in the top-15 of the draft. Tall corners available later in the draft have issues in their game and there's really very little difference in a 5'11" corner and a 6'1" corner (it's 2 inches for goodness sakes when you're talking about guys trying to high point a ball 8-9 feet off the ground).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Gunter was actually given a 4th to 5th round grade from nfl.com. Seems like a good get but would gb carry 3 rookie cornerbacks? Both Randall and Gunter seem like they could also play safety so I guess it is possible. They would have to unseat just one guy from last year bc of house and williams leaving. Who is the odd man out? Was Banjo on the 53? I guess Bush isn't back yet So that would be three. Hayward, Shields, Hyde, Haha, Burnett are obvious locks. Richardson and Goodson probably are safe as well. There are a lot of spots available

The Packers kept six cornerbacks and four safeties on their 53 man roster last season. Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Micah Hyde, Sean Richardson (he will make the roster for sure cause his $2.55 million salary is guaranteed), Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins are locks to make the team. If the team keeps 10 defensive backs once again there will be two spots up for grabs.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So, just stumbled across this link from Mattwaldmanrsp.com that is basically a 1 hour discussion about Randall and Clayton Geathers. Discussion focused on highlight film for almost the entire time so it's actually extremely informative. Important to note that they're evaluating Randall as a safety in this breakdown so tackling is more of an issue than it will probably be if he moves to corner. I'll also add that they're not extraordinarily high on Randall at corner (they're not saying he's terrible, just not real high).

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/2...eties-damarious-randall-and-clayton-geathers/

Don't feel like making a separate post but there's also a 1 hour discussion on Ty Montgomery:

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/04/rsp-film-room-no-36-wr-return-specialist-ty-montgomery/

 

[HardRightEdge]

So, just stumbled across this link from Mattwaldmanrsp.com that is basically a 1 hour discussion about Randall and Clayton Geathers. Discussion focused on highlight film for almost the entire time so it's actually extremely informative. Important to note that they're evaluating Randall as a safety in this breakdown so tackling is more of an issue than it will probably be if he moves to corner. I'll also add that they're not extraordinarily high on Randall at corner (they're not saying he's terrible, just not real high).

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/2...eties-damarious-randall-and-clayton-geathers/

Don't feel like making a separate post but there's also a 1 hour discussion on Ty Montgomery:

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/04/rsp-film-room-no-36-wr-return-specialist-ty-montgomery/

According to one report, Randall gained 14 lbs. between the end of the season and the Combine. That would indicate his game tape is showing a guy weighing 182 lbs. He looks it. So, I'll reserve further judgement as to his tackling skills for the preseason.

I don't agree with this common (perhaps conventional) wisdom that a cover corner does not need to be a good tackler.

That might be true in the case of Shields-type player, who runs like the wind and has $10 million per year NFL ball skills. In the absence of such qualities, the proposition is dubious.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

According to one report, Randall gained 14 lbs. between the end of the season and the Combine. That would indicate his game tape is showing a guy weighing 182 lbs. He looks it. So, I'll reserve further judgement as to his tackling skills for the preseason.

I don't agree with this common (perhaps conventional) wisdom that a cover corner does not need to be a good tackler.

That might be true in the case of Shields-type player, who runs like the wind and has $10 million per year NFL ball skills. In the absence of such qualities, the proposition is dubious.

I didn't mean to imply that tackling was not a necessary skill for corners, it is. It's just a more important skill for a safety. A safety that's a bad tackler might actually be a decent tackler for a corner.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I didn't mean to imply that tackling was not a necessary skill for corners, it is. It's just a more important skill for a safety. A safety that's a bad tackler might actually be a decent tackler for a corner.

And yet few have a problem with Clinton-Dix leading the team in missed tackles. There might be a reason for that.

If you're going to play a lot of single-high safety, coverage skills, angles and speed at the FS position are far more important than the ability to come up and stop a ball carrier.

The idea of the 182 lb. version of Randall that you see on tape coming up to play press coverage or fighting with the big, physical receivers for the ball, let alone tackling them, is a far bigger stretch than seeing him play single-high FS.

So...we await preseason.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

And yet few have a problem with Clinton-Dix leading the team in missed tackles. There might be a reason for that.

If you're going to play a lot of single-high safety, coverage skills, angles and speed at the FS position are far more important than the ability to come up and stop a ball carrier.

The idea of the 182 lb. version of Randall that you see on tape coming up to play press coverage or fighting with the big, physical receivers for the ball, let alone tackling them, is a far bigger stretch than seeing him play single-high FS.

So...we await preseason.

Clinton-Dix missed a lot of tackles but he was also second on the team IN tackles. Actually, after seeing that safeties were the #1 and #2 tacklers on the team, I am even more convinced that this team needs a major upgrade on the dline and ILB.

 

[Shawnsta3]

WTF

Grade: D

Unless they think they can convert him to a CB, this pick is inexplicable.

Oh, wait...Burnett must be moving to ILB.

Not a good tackler, but a good cover........not what I wanted

I dont get it. I hope TT knows where he is going with this.

Told few of my friends the Packer pick as they kept asking me and they are puzzled too.

Big overreach. He had one year of experience at D1 football. Pick reminds me of the Khyrie Thornton pick from last year.

And then Vince Lombardi proclaimed to the huddled and angry masses gathered outside Ted Thompson's house, "Thou shalt not judge a draft pick the second he's selected don't you Wisconsinites remember the Nick Collins novel?"

 

[Wynnebeck]

LOL Right on. Randall is a stud and it's hilarious seeing everyone lose their minds when he got picked lol.

 

[thisisnate]

Littttttttle bit early to call him a "stud." Casey had a much better first season than Demarious has, and he's turned out to be so-so on a good day. Demarious has been serviceable as a rookie. Let's not make the same mistake so many did with Bakhtiari in deciding he was a stud after a serviceable rookie campaign.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Littttttttle bit early to call him a "stud." Casey had a much better first season than Demarious has, and he's turned out to be so-so on a good day. Demarious has been serviceable as a rookie. Let's not make the same mistake so many did with Bakhtiari in deciding he was a stud after a serviceable rookie campaign.

Uhh....

http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/Randall-states-case-for-Defensive-Rookie-of-the-Year-42179142

That was right after Randall was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for November. Like I said, Randall is a stud and a future #1.

 

[melvin dangerr]

I would like to see some converted WR to play corner or safety the height and strength would help

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Littttttttle bit early to call him a "stud." Casey had a much better first season than Demarious has, and he's turned out to be so-so on a good day. Demarious has been serviceable as a rookie. Let's not make the same mistake so many did with Bakhtiari in deciding he was a stud after a serviceable rookie campaign.

The difference being that Randall has started on the outside, doing a nice job covering opponent's #1 receivers with Shields out as well.

I have to admit that I was surprised by Thompson drafting Randall but it seems like it was a great pick.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think there's any comparison between a guy that played part time slot coverage on a limited basis and made some plays vs a guy that has been put on an island most of the time against some of the best receivers in the league and has won most of those matchups. I think he's played far above serviceable and heyward playing back where he's better suited, and he looks pretty decent. He's not Revis, but he's a guy that's good to have.

 

[thisisnate]

Splitting hairs.

Point is, you can have a good rookie year and be just an average player down the line. This whole team has maybe 3-4 "studs" total on it.

 

[Shawnsta3]

Splitting hairs.

Point is, you can have a good rookie year and be just an average player down the line. This whole team has maybe 3-4 "studs" total on it.

If you want to believe the difference between a limited time "slot-only" guy and a guy that has for the most part went to the outside and shut down opposing #1 receivers is "splitting hairs" then have fun.

I mean it's possible for any player to have a great rookie year and then regress, but as a Packer fan why wouldn't you just hope or assume he keeps playing nicely? Seems weird to me a guy has a Hell of a rookie year and somebody comes in here shouting about unpredictable future regressions.

 

[tynimiller]

Splitting hairs.

Point is, you can have a good rookie year and be just an average player down the line. This whole team has maybe 3-4 "studs" total on it.

So Revis shouldn't have gotten paid any more than the best inside slot CB when he was the best? You don't pay extra to an interior CB, you pay big money for a lockdown CB that is on their #1. Shoot in today's game you pay a lot of money even if your best outside DB isn't that awesome.

 

[thisisnate]

You guys are ridiculous rofl
I'm not "shouting" about anything. I'm saying a rookie had a solid first year and that it requires more than a solid rookie year to be a "stud." I don't see how that is sparking so much debate. That's like one of more innocuous statements I've made on this website.

 

[tynimiller]

No doubt. Hayward is merely a good slot CB, not meant to be on the outside at all...granted more so than the likes of a guy like Hyde, but still. Randall is excelling at times in a position that a rookie simply doesn't do, and if so very rarely.