Best and Worst PFF Grades vs Niners

[tynimiller]

10 snap minimum as always...and fair warning some guys had their best games of their careers arguably...

BEST OFFENSE (guys we had 13 guys with 10 snaps or more that were 60.9 or higher)
Malik Heath - 92.3
Elgton Jenkins - 86.6
Josh Jacobs - 86.3
Zach Tom - 78.8
Emanuel Wilson - 75.9

WORST OFFENSE
Sean Rhyan - 33.8
Christian Watson - 47.1
Ben Sims - 55.6
Chris Brooks - 57.7 (he has been getting second most snaps over Wilson)
Bo Melton - 58.2

BEST DEFENSE (we had 11 with 10 snaps or more over 60)
Quay Walker - 91.4
Javon Bullard - 84.9
Keisean Nixon - 83.2
Lukas Van Ness - 82.9
Brenton Cox - 79.9

WORST DEFENSE
Carrington Valentine - 29.5
Eric Stokes - 47.8
Colby Wooden - 48.5
Kingsley Enagbare - 54.5
Devonte Wyatt - 54.9

 

[gopkrs]

I have to believe that one bad play or one good one affects the grades here too much. Someday, I guess, there will be a service that can actually see the game as a whole for each player. Not that I am going to like it. Those things should be for a smart coach. Too many stats around for me. It makes fans think they actually know what is happening.

 

[AmishMafia]

BEST DEFENSE (we had 11 with 10 snaps or more over 60)
Quay Walker - 91.4

Thought he was playing good, but the best? Hope it's not a fluke and a light turned on there.

 

[tynimiller]

I have to believe that one bad play or one good one affects the grades here too much. Someday, I guess, there will be a service that can actually see the game as a whole for each player. Not that I am going to like it. Those things should be for a smart coach. Too many stats around for me. It makes fans think they actually know what is happening.

Anytime you have humans grading each play for a player in a game or attempting to, you're going to have subjective results for sure. Having watched the All22 a few times and really isolating on defense Evan Williams, Nixon, Quay and LVN because three of those have been BAD and one because I freaking love him (Williams) I don't disagree with their grades truly that much relatively I'd have had them ranked equally as to where they were.

Big plays change the tide of games I am sure is why they likely have a multiplier that can work both ways good/bad for plays - just a guess, I have no affiliation with PFF>

 

[tynimiller]

Thought he was playing good, but the best? Hope it's not a fluke and a light turned on there.

Quay actually looked like a clear NFL starter this game....against very good runners. I hate to say it though - he still isn't that to me, one game doesn't change my mind.

 

[gopkrs]

Quay actually looked like a clear NFL starter this game....against very good runners. I hate to say it though - he still isn't that to me, one game doesn't change my mind.

I thought he played well and glad to see it. But two things I didn't like. Both goal line plays. 1. If he wants to stop a back from scoring; he can't just wait for him on the goal line. He has to commit and run ahead to knock him back. and 2. He should forget about his responsibilities when he sees a receiver running free to the back of the endzone. He should cover him.

 

[OldSchool101]

Quay actually looked like a clear NFL starter this game....against very good runners. I hate to say it though - he still isn't that to me, one game doesn't change my mind.

I agree. That said it’s my opinion that much of our global grading on Quay is based on his draft stock (expectation). There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s also warranted. As fans, we should expect a Day 1 draft selection to perform at a high level. Especially at iLB with the #22 overall.

That said, if we took the expectation completely away, would he be a bad player for a player drafted in Round 3 or Round 5? No. Would he not win a starting role across the NFL? Absolutely he would on many teams.

PS. He had several plays where he was in the backfield bearing down on the QB and that’s the last guy you want to meet he’s a very physical tackler and will gladly break your back in exchange for a yellow flag. He likes to hurt people. Lol

 

[tynimiller]

I agree. That said it’s my opinion that much of our global grading on Quay is based on his draft stock (expectation). There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s also warranted. As fans, we should expect a Day 1 draft selection to perform at a high level. Especially at iLB with the #22 overall.

That said, if we took the expectation completely away, would he be a bad player for a player drafted in Round 3 or Round 5? No. Would he not win a starting role across the NFL? Absolutely he would on many teams.

PS. He had several plays where he was in the backfield bearing down on the QB and that’s the last guy you want to meet he’s a very physical tackler and will gladly break your back in exchange for a yellow flag. He likes to hurt people. Lol

He isn't a primary starter off ball for NFL teams is how I've always discussed him - however, health and his athletic abilities absolutely keep him in the league for a long time I bet. Many struggle with mixing grading a players draft pick and discussing the player's performance on the field.

Bad thing is if Quay ever puts it together I strongly think it is on his second contract, which likely won't be in GB.

 

[Magooch]

Maybe harsh, but my sense is that Quay is one of those players where it's just kind of like...you know what you're going to get, warts and all. I hope to be wrong, but I feel like he's not going to radically develop a lot more. He often seems to play a little "behind," like a guy who can be reactive rather than proactive and relies on athleticism to make up for it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. He's got a ton of range, but isn't always disciplined about it. He gets out of position, and gets manhandled by OL too often it feels like. But I don't know. He's a guy who often feels SO close to figuring things out but you just wonder if it's ever all going to come together right. Then you look at games like last week* where he was excellent and you wonder if he's turning the corner, if he can maintain that type of level (or close to it)...but then if history is any indication he'll turn around and have an absolute stinker a week later.

But, all that to say...like earlier, I feel like his team (whether us or someone else) has a good idea of what they are getting in Quay and it's always a question of weighing the pros/cons, risks/reward. Does the upside outweigh the shortcomings? I do kind of feel like for us...we have some options at the position, but the team basically refuses to bench Quay. So it begs the question: Do they think our other options are that much worse? Are they still trusting in Quay to "put it all together," given time and reps? Do they feel like his positive traits make him a must-start player, in spite of the shortcomings? Hard for me to say.

*As an aside I'm curious as to how PFF's grading would account for his should-have-been INT. IIRC he had something like a 91 PFF grade for that game. What would it have been if he secured the INT?

 

[JKramer64]

I watched a replay of the game last night. I focused primarily on Sean Ryhan.
I don't think he played that bad to earn a 33 grade. He wasn't getting beat on 2/3 of the plays. He was solid on run blocking (team rushed for 169 yards) and gave up one pressure that I saw. He did have a false start.

I'm taking PFF grades with a grain of salt. Walker had a solid game, but a 91 with an easy interception drop caused me raised eyebrows. I know the PFF graders know alot more about football than I, but sometimes I wonder what they're seeing.

 

[tynimiller]

I watched a replay of the game last night. I focused primarily on Sean Ryhan.
I don't think he played that bad to earn a 33 grade. He wasn't getting beat on 2/3 of the plays. He was solid on run blocking (team rushed for 169 yards) and gave up one pressure that I saw. He did have a false start.

I'm taking PFF grades with a grain of salt. Walker had a solid game, but a 91 with an easy interception drop caused me raised eyebrows. I know the PFF graders know alot more about football than I, but sometimes I wonder what they're seeing.

A 33 doesn’t mean he only did well on 33% of the plays. A play isn’t just graded pass or fail.

It’s for sure subjective and not without issues.

I’ve noticed PFF grades arent going to be impacted hardly at all by plays you don’t make like an interception as much as making the play will OR as bad as say you blow a play and the other team scores or makes a big play. Like a CB breaking on an out route…they don’t make the pick will be graded similar to if they don’t break as well and just get a normal breakup….but if they pick it off OR if they miss it and WR catches it for a big gain or touchdown - that will for sure impact grading on that play and overall.