Aaron Rodgers MVP

[sschind]

Well, no excuse except for their 2-4 start, lol.
Looking at last season there were two 10-7 teams to make it from the AFC (Texans, Steelers) and the rest were 11-6 or better.
We did have a couple of 9-8 teams over on our side....

But realistically they will need to go 7-4 over the remainder of the season and that's the absolute best case scenario. More likely they will probably need to go 8-3 or even 9-2 to make it in. Even with Adams that may be a tall order.

(And that's not even meant to be a pro/anti Rodgers post. I just don't think this is a very good team in general and while he has his moments of brilliance still I don't think Rodgers is the guy to drag a mediocre team to the playoffs at this point)

I'm glad you clarified it with "at this point" because he's been known to do it before.

 

[Thirteen Below]

This is like watching your X run into relationship problems. I mean.. you love them and want the best for them.. but it’s OH SO FUN!

"See??? I KNEW it wasn't me!!!"

 

[OldSchool101]

Adams will still draw double coverage in NY so Wilson & Lazard will be more open with more targets, now. AR will force a few to Adams each game but the others benefit.

Yes. #17 makes everyone around him better, including Rodgers (by his own testimony). The Jets have still got some things to clean up such as Tyron Smith at LT. However there’s ways to aid that issue.

As far as Receivers, the Jets are now locked and loaded.
Lazard is currently at #21 in receiving yards across the NFL. He’s pacing 1,002 yards and 14 TD’s.

In the seasons where WR, Mike Williams has played at least 13 contests (5) he’s averaged 892 yards and 4.5 TD’s, reaching 1,000+ twice.

The Jets also have a good TE in Conklin. Plus we are all familiar with Breece Hall. In his first FULL NFL season (2023) he posted 1,565 All purpose and he’s poised to repeat that again pacing 1,456 All-purpose yards in 2024.

Then you pair up Davante with Garrett? Thats a ton of firepower. Aaron likely won’t win MVP, but watching that game the Jets should’ve beat the Bills. As sloppy as they were they were, they went toe to toe with a very good football team and nearly upset Buffalo.

 

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As far as Receivers, the Jets are now locked and loaded.
Lazard is currently at #21 in receiving yards across the NFL. He’s pacing 1,002 yards and 14 TD’s.

If only Prima Donna Rodgers had bothered throwing a football at Lazard every now and then back on 1-22-22, in the divisional playoff game against the San Franciscoes. He was wide open for a big gain on that 3rd and 11 where Rodgers completely ignored every receiver not named "Adams", and tried to force it in to Davante sandwiched between double coverage. And Lazard just stood there watching the end of Green Bay's playoff run all by himself, with no Niner anywhere nearby to keep him company.

From the instant that ball was snapped, Adams was the only human being in the stadium to whom Rodgers was even going to consider throwing the football, no matter how the routes developed, and the Packers watched the NFCCG and Super Bowl on TV instead of seeing it from the field. But now, all of a sudden he likes Lazard.

A couple years too late, hotshot.

 

[milani]

If only Prima Donna Rodgers had bothered throwing a football at Lazard every now and then back on 1-22-22, in the divisional playoff game against the San Franciscoes. He was wide open for a big gain on that 3rd and 11 where Rodgers completely ignored every receiver not named "Adams", and tried to force it in to Davante sandwiched between double coverage. And Lazard just stood there watching the end of Green Bay's playoff run all by himself, with no Niner anywhere nearby to keep him company.

From the instant that ball was snapped, Adams was the only human being in the stadium to whom Rodgers was even going to consider throwing the football, no matter how the routes developed, and the Packers watched the NFCCG and Super Bowl on TV instead of seeing it from the field. But now, all of a sudden he likes Lazard.

A couple years too late, hotshot.

That one hurt. Maybe we do not win the SB but we should have gotten there.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Hang on, so all those year AR bvtchd because "we wouldn't give him weapons" and now, 4 years older, he's getting all these same guys BACK together and expects to be better???

 

[pacmaniac]

Hang on, so all those year AR bvtchd because "we wouldn't give him weapons" and now, 4 years older, he's getting all these same guys BACK together and expects to be better???

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[Thirteen Below]

That one hurt. Maybe we do not win the SB but we should have gotten there.

Yeah, same here. At that time, I believe he was the highest paid player in the history of the NFL, and we were paying that price to be the guy who won games like for us instead of blowing them. Which was reasonable to expect, because his salary limited our ability to hire upper-tier free agents to shore up other weak areas on the roster. There was a lot of responsibility being placed on his shoulders.

What really boiled my *** was the way he refused to take responsibility fr the ****** play after the game. It's always someone else's fault with him, and he's doing it again in New York. They lost a game last weekend, and he threw one of his wideouts under the bus by calling him out after the game for running the wrong route.

They had a chance to come back in the 4th, but instead of making the smart play and taking his wideopen safety valve for a 1st down, he went for the big play and locked onto a guy downfield. Jets fans are lighting him up; they'e finallty figuring out who he is. I knew he was in for a shock when he found out New York fans are a lot less forgiving than Green Bay fans.

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[rmontro]

That one hurt. Maybe we do not win the SB but we should have gotten there.

What sticks in my craw is that we lost four NFCCGs to four different teams under Rodgers.
When you lose a big one like that, you think about coming back, make some improvements if you can, and trying again.
Losing to four different teams means four different teams passed us up during that time to get to the Super Bowl.

 

[milani]

Yeah, same here. At that time, I believe he was the highest paid player in the history of the NFL, and we were paying that price to be the guy who won games like for us instead of blowing them. Which was reasonable to expect, because his salary limited our ability to hire upper-tier free agents to shore up other weak areas on the roster. There was a lot of responsibility being placed on his shoulders.

What really boiled my *** was the way he refused to take responsibility fr the ****** play after the game. It's always someone else's fault with him, and he's doing it again in New York. They lost a game last weekend, and he threw one of his wideouts under the bus by calling him out after the game for running the wrong route.

They had a chance to come back in the 4th, but instead of making the smart play and taking his wideopen safety valve for a 1st down, he went for the big play and locked onto a guy downfield. Jets fans are lighting him up; they'e finallty figuring out who he is. I knew he was in for a shock when he found out New York fans are a lot less forgiving than Green Bay fans.

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And you notice win or lose today Love always takes responsibility.

 

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And you notice win or lose today Love always takes responsibility.

A smart protege watches his mentors and not only learns how he's supposed do his job, but also how he's not supposed to do it.

 

[milani]

What sticks in my craw is that we lost four NFCCGs to four different teams under Rodgers.
When you lose a big one like that, you think about coming back, make some improvements if you can, and trying again.
Losing to four different teams means four different teams passed us up during that time to get to the Super Bowl.

I put a ton of it on McCarthy, but as the team leader he has to be on the page with the rest of the team. Take Bart Starr for instance on that ICE Bowl drive. He said EACH player in that huddle knew exactly what they had to do. It was not just him.

 

[rmontro]

I put a ton of it on McCarthy, but as the team leader he has to be on the page with the rest of the team. Take Bart Starr for instance on that ICE Bowl drive. He said EACH player in that huddle knew exactly what they had to do. It was not just him.

Lefleur was head coach for two of the NFCCG losses.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Didn't see the Adams news.. interesting. However might just be putting a dumpster of gasoline on a dumpster fire.

And unfortunately for the Jets, very expensive gasoline. If I understand his contract, they'll be paying him $35.6 million guaranteed in 2025 and 26, regardless of whether Rodgers is still there to throw footballs at him.

Damn, I wish I was a somewhat talented football player who was good friends with Rodgers. I'd love to have that kind of job security.

 

[milani]

Lefleur was head coach for two of the NFCCG losses.

I realize that but you can even account for the 2007 title game that was lost at home on MM...and Favre. And after a 15-1 season in 2011 going 1 and done. Those were games that should have been won as well.

 

[Outsider99]

I was the biggest Rodgers apologist. I was on Rodgers side the whole time and was anti-gutey.

But after the stunt Rodgers pulled to get Robert Salah fired, I am now seeing the light.

Salah is well respected in football circles and is responsible for endorsing Hafley to his best friend Lafleur.

Salah built the Jets defense to be one of the best and now that he's gone, the jets defense lost their leader.

Rodgers got everything he wished for, and woody has to be the dumbest owner ever, just ask bellichek who quit after 1 day when he realized how insane woody was.

And remember that the Jets have a very easy schedule. Salah was the glue holding that team together. But Rodgers wanted more control and he showed his hand. I never believed the stories of how Rodgers tried to get gutey fired and obviously got McCarthy fired.

I hate the Jets and was so happy to see the bills and steelers beat them. 2 teams that have good culture. I also hate the Pats so I don't know who I want to win that game.

Salah is such a great guy that he still helps the new coach with whatever he needs.

I hope the Jags hire Robert in the off-season.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that I was wrong about Rodgers. I used to get upset when anyone would be critical of him. But it seems true, he is a d bag.
I even ordered a jets jersey but returned it when I found out how he got coach fired after 5 games.
It's not all Rodgers fault because the owner, who inherited his wealth, is one of the dumbest owners in sports. Of course the white Sox have the worst owner. At least woody will spend $. Riensdorf uses tax payers and MLB to get rich. And uses threats to move team when he doesn't get his way.

 

[rmontro]

I realize that but you can even account for the 2007 title game that was lost at home on MM...and Favre. And after a 15-1 season in 2011 going 1 and done. Those were games that should have been won as well.

Could have been won I agree. I'm always hesitant to say we should have won a game when we didn't. If we didn't win an important game, then I feel like there are reasons for it, and we just weren't good enough. Could have won, sure. Might have been favored, but if we didn't get it done, then whose fault is it? The Giants beat us, and were good enough to win the Super Bowl that year. Can you really call that a fluke? Anyway, I digress...

Since we're going back to the Favre years, I will note that Favre was 2-2 in NFC Championship Games. Rodgers was 1-4. Rodgers got to two more NFCCGs, but Favre got to an extra Super Bowl (and lost). Not far from a wash, but it makes Rodgers look less clutch (or more of a choker, to put it more crudely).

 

[Thirteen Below]

I was the biggest Rodgers apologist. I was on Rodgers side the whole time and was anti-gutey.

But after the stunt Rodgers pulled to get Robert Salah fired, I am now seeing the light.

Welcome to the dark side.... we've been waiting patiently for you....

Seriously, though - when you admire someone, it can be hard to let go of it. Because you admire them and like them, every time you look at them you see the best of them, and those are the terms in which you think of them.

I thought very highly of him for several years too, but the luster started to wear off as the stories started to seep out about some of the behind-the-scenes stuff - like the way he would tease Favre; calling him "grandpa", and "hey, it's Mr. 22 (a reference to Favre's wonderlic score - Rodhers' wonderlic is 35, which correlates to around IQ 130-135, and Favre's 22 points is just over 100.) I started to look at him a little differently then, and from there it was a gradual process to the point where I just got tired of him.

I sometimes think we here in Cheeseworld tend to idolize and idealize our superstar quarterbacks a little too much. Unlike larger cities, and especially the major coastal cities, sports in Wisconsin almost begins and ends with our Packers. The media quickly learn that shining too bright a light on the idiosyncracies of the star quarterback can threaten their access to team information, unlike in major urban markets. When one of our quarterbacks emerges as a star and leads us to such massive success, we elevate them almost to "god" status, and they can do no wrong.

There's just no way that's not going to go to the head of a highly competitive "alpha" athlete, who is by nature ego-driven. I can't help wonder if Favre and Rodgers might have been a little more "tame" and a little less arrogant in their later years if they'd played in New York or Los Angeles and been held a little more accountable by the local media.