2025 Draft Media Stuff

[Dantés]

Man, every time one of these insiders drop a mock, I go back and look at their track record with the Packers' picks over the last ~5 years and NO ONE gets anything right for Green Bay.

Jeremiah called Quay Walker in 2022. Among Schrager, Boris, Jeremiah, Zierlein, Donahue, McCrystal, etc. that's it and that's all.

If you want to be right, don't project anyone who is a popular name among mock drafters.

 

[tynimiller]

Man, every time one of these insiders drop a mock, I go back and look at their track record with the Packers' picks over the last ~5 years and NO ONE gets anything right for Green Bay.

Jeremiah called Quay Walker in 2022. Among Schrager, Boris, Jeremiah, Zierlein, Donahue, McCrystal, etc. that's it and that's all.

If you want to be right, don't project anyone who is a popular name among mock drafters.

Which is oddly why I think these could be my predictions if we sit at 23 if we think the trend of no one getting it continues:

WR - Jayden Higgins
DL - Darius Alexander
ED - JTT
CB - Shavon Revel
OL - Conerly Jr (the guy you all know I LOVE...and immediately moves Morgan to our guard of the future)
iOL - Grey Zabel

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Man, every time one of these insiders drop a mock, I go back and look at their track record with the Packers' picks over the last ~5 years and NO ONE gets anything right for Green Bay.

Jeremiah called Quay Walker in 2022. Among Schrager, Boris, Jeremiah, Zierlein, Donahue, McCrystal, etc. that's it and that's all.

If you want to be right, don't project anyone who is a popular name among mock drafters.

Based on our history with first rounders, maybe Gute should start listening to these mocks once in a while.

 

[Dantés]

Based on our history with first rounders, maybe Gute should start listening to these mocks once in a while.

Yes, if Gute could get more impact out of round 1, that would essentially close the loop on being an overall stellar GM. He manages the roster really well, is great with free agency, finds a lot of gems further down in the draft, but the first rounders haven't been what they ought to be.

 

[DoURant]

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Yes, if Gute could get more impact out of round 1, that would essentially close the loop on being an overall stellar GM. He manages the roster really well, is great with free agency, finds a lot of gems further down in the draft, but the first rounders haven't been what they ought to be.

He relies on potential due to athleticism too much in the 1st. Just needs to draft guys that can play now vs next year or later in their career.

 

[Dantés]

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He relies on potential due to athleticism too much in the 1st. Just needs to draft guys that can play now vs next year or later in their career.

Gary, LVN, and Love were clearly long-term investments in guys who weren't going to be ready right away. Walker was somewhat like that, but most linebackers are because of how that position functions in CFB. His other picks, imo, haven't been long term projects.

 

[DoURant]

Gary, LVN, and Love were clearly long-term investments in guys who weren't going to be ready right away. Walker was somewhat like that, but most linebackers are because of how that position functions in CFB. His other picks, imo, haven't been long term projects.

I'm fine with that when drafting late, but in the top half, it seems like a waste of draft position, when we aren't in that area of the draft very often (Gary and LVN)

 

[Dantés]

I'm fine with that when drafting late, but in the top half, it seems like a waste of draft position, when we aren't in that area of the draft very often (Gary and LVN)

It's risk/reward.

Gary and LVN are the types of athletes at premium positions that, if they hit, are wildly valuable. For better or worse, the Packers take big swings.

 

[Magooch]

I guess it's more or less the old "Tape versus Traits" argument.

 

[DoURant]

For what it's worth, I like Gary, he does more than rush the passer. Anyone who considers him a bust is foolish.

 

[Dantés]

For what it's worth, I like Gary, he does more than rush the passer. Anyone who considers him a bust is foolish.

He definitely isn't a bust, but it is worth noting that it took almost two seasons to start getting serious value out of him.

 

[DoURant]

He definitely isn't a bust, but it is worth noting that it took almost two seasons to start getting serious value out of him.

Which is why I can see people not liking the pick. The Smith Brothers taken in FA that year caused the 2 seasons to start, and made taking him a head scratcher.

 

[tynimiller]

Which is why I can see people not liking the pick. The Smith Brothers taken in FA that year caused the 2 seasons to start, and made taking him a head scratcher.

Everyone I talk to that is so bent on Gute and his first round choices is always with the blessing of hindsight and never want to put ink to pad in this year's draft class who unequivocally are the best 1-10 edge guys or CBs or such.

FTR this is not directed at you @DoURant - merely your posting made me think of it.

 

[Pkrjones]

It's risk/reward.

Gary and LVN are the types of athletes at premium positions that, if they hit, are wildly valuable. For better or worse, the Packers take big swings.

Looking at my Amish Contest picks from '24 draft my 1st rounders were DeJean & OC Barton. Both were day 1 starters for their teams AND significant additions. Gute places WAY too much emphasis on "potential stardom" which RARELY happens with his 1st rounders. He needs to go after "really F'in good day 1 starters" instead of swinging for the HR & it becoming a long, long fly out.

 

[tynimiller]

Looking at my Amish Contest picks from '24 draft my 1st rounders were DeJean & OC Barton. Both were day 1 starters for their teams AND significant additions. Gute places WAY too much emphasis on "potential stardom" which RARELY happens with his 1st rounders. He needs to go after "really F'in good day 1 stsrters" instead of swinging for the HR & it becoming a long, long fly out.

We draft Barton you are aware he also battles and likely splits time just as Morgan does out the gate......Barton wasn't going to be center for us likely but a solid guard.

Put your list of prospects in order now so the record shows it.

 

[Pkrjones]

We draft Barton you are aware he also battles and likely splits time just as Morgan does out the gate......Barton wasn't going to be center for us likely but a solid guard.

Put your list of prospects in order now so the record shows it.

Already have in Amish's contest. Egbuka or Harmon. Prefer trade back if they're gone & take WR Higgins, CB Thomas or DT Alexander.

Why do you think Barton wouldn't have beaten out Myers? MLF was desperately trying to replace/upgrade OC but nobody rose to the challenge.

 

[Dantés]

Which is why I can see people not liking the pick. The Smith Brothers taken in FA that year caused the 2 seasons to start, and made taking him a head scratcher.

I think the equivalent of that this season would be Nick Emmanwori.

The Packers are pretty set at safety, but he's exactly the type of athlete that they would love.

 

[tynimiller]

Most of the guys folks think "might be there" for us at 23 and my personal order of who I would draft:

IF Will Johnson or Tet McMillan drops I'm not hesitating and personally I'm Tet over Will

If Edges possibly there and should be
Mykel Williams
Donovan Ezeiruaku
Shemar Stewart
Mike Green
Landon Jackson
James Pearce
Nic Scourton

If CBs possibly there and should be:
Jahdae Barron
Maxwell Hairston
Azareye'h Thomas
Trey Amos
Shavon Revel

If OL...
Josh Conerly Jr
Kelvin Banks
Grey Zabel
Donovan Jackson

If WRs...
Egbuka
Higgins
Burden
Golden

 

[Pkrjones]

Most of the guys folks think "might be there" for us at 23 and my personal order of who I would draft:

IF Will Johnson or Tet McMillan drops I'm not hesitating and personally I'm Tet over Will

If Edges possibly there and should be
Mykel Williams
Donovan Ezeiruaku
Shemar Stewart
Mike Green
Landon Jackson
James Pearce
Nic Scourton

If CBs possibly there and should be:
Jahdae Barron
Maxwell Hairston
Azareye'h Thomas
Trey Amos
Shavon Revel

If OL...
Josh Conerly Jr
Kelvin Banks
Grey Zabel
Donovan Jackson

If WRs...
Egbuka
Higgins
Burden
Golden

You're taking 22 swings at our 1st pick? I'm 90% certain ONE of those will be Gute's 1st pick, but can I hold you to the same "rules" that I used: your Amish contest 1st round picks OR if a trade back include your 2nds?

 

[Jayzee1981]

Draft is ok. It’s a **** show as anyone would predict. Prices aren’t terrible for an event like this but they’re all still outrageous. Security seems light but I’m sure there’s many in plain clothes and camouflaged in NFL gear.

 

[tynimiller]

You're taking 22 swings at our 1st pick? I'm 90% certain ONE of those will be Gute's 1st pick, but can I hold you to the same "rules" that I used: your Amish contest 1st round picks OR if a trade back include your 2nds?

Negative I was providing my heirarchy so folks know where I stood and in a year or two I can’t bemoan Gute and claim I knew someone wasn’t worthy is all.

I’m firmly entrenched in the likelihood is we are moving up to 15-19 for Egbuka or DZ from BC…otherwise I think very likely we trade back.

Conerly Jr is my favorite guy that I think if my league insights are right is guaranteed to be there for us…but he’s my pure OT1 so makes sense with that knowledge.

 

[tynimiller]

You're taking 22 swings at our 1st pick? I'm 90% certain ONE of those will be Gute's 1st pick, but can I hold you to the same "rules" that I used: your Amish contest 1st round picks OR if a trade back include your 2nds?

These are two entirely different discussions and the Amish contest I apply a different approach than my personal opinions of prospects.

 

[DoURant]

These are two entirely different discussions and the Amish contest I apply a different approach than my personal opinions of prospects.

I view it differently, also.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Hard no on Stewart.