2024 3rd round #88 MarShawn Lloyd RB

[Heyjoe4]

Bob Ueker thinks he should be in the HOF for his play. He says guys like Willie Mays and Hank Aaron are there but they had talent. He managed to have a long career in the majors with very little talent and that was a far greater achievement than what Mays and Aaron did.

Ya gotta love Uecker. He said he got no appreciation for playing so many games hungover. His point was anyone could play baseball with a clear head.

It's right along the lines of the ground ball he said he missed because the sun got in his eyes. And even that's interesting because he played catcher. How many ground balls did he field?

He's Uecker, and he's all Milwaukee. What a guy.

 

[PikeBadger]

Sure that makes sense. Just not much information of any kind good or bad. It’s a good problem to have having our 3rd Round RB in the Wings. We look to have a pretty good RB room this season as far as depth.

It's normal for them to not talk much about injuries to guys deep down on the depth chart.

 

[PikeBadger]

IIRC the average career is 3.5 years. It seems remarkable for a player to get 9 years out of such modest production.

See.... Dare Ogunbawale.

 

[PikeBadger]

Ya gotta love Uecker. He said he got no appreciation for playing so many games hungover. His point was anyone could play baseball with a clear head.

It's right along the lines of the ground ball he said he missed because the sun got in his eyes. And even that's interesting because he played catcher. How many ground balls did he field?

He's Uecker, and he's all Milwaukee. What a guy.

Much to the chagrin of all time greats like Sandy Koufax, Ferguson Jenkins and Ga-ylord Perry who were victimized by Uke.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was just thinking about Lloyd. His 4 weeks minimum is up. I wonder if he’ll be back at practice. Haven’t heard a peep about him lately.

I did notice AJ Dillon was down on the sidelines yesterday, which impresses me. AJ could have done what it seems like a lot of guys do once they are injured and done for the season, go into hiding. I doubt we see AJ playing as a Packer again, but gotta give him kudos for being down there and at least being a teammate in spirit. I could be wrong, but I don't remember ever seeing Bahk on the sidelines in street clothes after he was shut down.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

See.... Dare Ogunbawale.

Dare is from Milwaukee and a former Badger. He was a walk-on candidate, at cornerback and they switched him to RB. He carved out a nice little career as a backup RB at Wisconsin, behind a lot of talent. He was also voted as a team captain his final year at UW.

He has had the same career in the NFL as an UDFA. Putting in the hard work, to be that guy that a team relies on when someone ahead of him gets injured.

He won't be in Canton, but when he walks away from the NFL, he will have earned over $7M as a "JAG".

 

[Half Empty]

Thanks for the reminder HE and Pike. Yeah he was a pretty unremarkable player. I guess a lot of us will remember him for running a kickoff out when he was told not to. Somehow he got sideways with MM. Que sera sera. 9 years is still a decent career in the NFL.

One of the reasons I've cooled some on sports fandom over the years - Ty averaged right at $1,000,000 per year for that mediocre career.

 

[gopkrs]

It's going to be difficult for him to get touches the way these guys are playing. They actually have the luxury to be a little more conservative with him coming back, allowing him to get completely healthy if they want.

Yeah. I agree. But maybe a one two three punch would not be bad. Lloyd, I hope, is the real home run hitter if he gets an opening.

 

[tynimiller]

I did notice AJ Dillon was down on the sidelines yesterday, which impresses me. AJ could have done what it seems like a lot of guys do once they are injured and done for the season, go into hiding. I doubt we see AJ playing as a Packer again, but gotta give him kudos for being down there and at least being a teammate in spirit. I could be wrong, but I don't remember ever seeing Bahk on the sidelines in street clothes after he was shut down.

I tend to differ on thoughts of AJ's future, even more so after this year's fiscal agreement on that type of deal. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if we see Dillon do the same thing next year, if healthy play his way into a depth type role and maybe even that HBack/FB type role MLF eluded to (a genius forum member even before him LOL) and play a year or two more before retirement and opens that burger/bar joint he has said he wants to there in GB and be a community dude for years. Dillon LOVES GB, and even if by some stroke he plays a year or two elsewhere he is for sure laying roots already down.

 

[OldSchool101]

Now he may be too good for a #3 RB. Won't find out until he gets some touches. And RB's get hurt a lot, so there may be some opportunities and it's good to have a solid player in the fold. That's a long way of saying Lloyd's draft position shouldn't be reason to mess with a group that's working out well. He'll get his touches.

I totally agree on playing the hot hand in most cases. Wilson has been a nice surprise, he’s got very good burst and adequate vision. That said and nothing against Wilson. My opinion from mostly film and draft research is we have a very talented Multi faceted RB in Lloyd on board. He still needs to learn the playbook and develop like young grasshopper #33 did. Marshawn by several draft experts was graded as early as Day 1. Day 1 for a RB means his ceiling puts him in that top 1/2 of all starters type impact. Imagine having Josh Jacobs and Lloyd combo with Wilson coming in as a reliever.

Now this isn’t specifycslly directed at anything you said because I agree with you.. but only until he’s healthy. He’ll overtake Lloyd in 1/2 season IF focus is applied. The key things stopping his growth are injury and lack of playing time. He needs to get healthy so we can feed him and ramp him for the Postseason. He could very well be our James Starks type formidable and that’s on the lower end.

Brian said that 3rd Round selection for the Rasul trade would likely net him a Top 50 prospect on his board. I think he sees Marshawn as a Top 50 overall area player and at a position which importance has waned that’s impressive. Big time yards after contact type player with home run burst. Better vision and higher ceiling than Wilson.. no disrespect to Emmanuel.

 

[PikeBadger]

I totally agree on playing the hot hand in most cases. Wilson has been a nice surprise, he’s got very good burst and adequate vision. That said and nothing against Wilson. My opinion from mostly film and draft research is we have a very talented Multi faceted RB in Lloyd on board. He still needs to learn the playbook and develop like young grasshopper #33 did. Marshawn by several draft experts was graded as early as Day 1. Day 1 for a RB means his ceiling puts him in that top 1/2 of all starters type impact. Imagine having Josh Jacobs and Lloyd combo with Wilson coming in as a reliever.

Now this isn’t specifycslly directed at anything you said because I agree with you.. but only until he’s healthy. He’ll overtake Lloyd in 1/2 season IF focus is applied. The key things stopping his growth are injury and lack of playing time. He needs to get healthy so we can feed him and ramp him for the Postseason. He could very well be our James Starks type formidable and that’s on the lower end.

Brian said that 3rd Round selection for the Rasul trade would likely net him a Top 50 prospect on his board. I think he sees Marshawn as a Top 50 overall area player and at a position which importance has waned that’s impressive. Big time yards after contact type player with home run burst. Better vision and higher ceiling than Wilson.. no disrespect to Emmanuel.

We have no idea if Lloyd's body is NFL ready for extended use. It would be great imo if he comes back soon so the staff can get him some game work as insurance not to replace Wilson, but to compete for the backup role with Brooks in the event that Jacobs goes down with injury.

 

[PikeBadger]

I did notice AJ Dillon was down on the sidelines yesterday, which impresses me. AJ could have done what it seems like a lot of guys do once they are injured and done for the season, go into hiding. I doubt we see AJ playing as a Packer again, but gotta give him kudos for being down there and at least being a teammate in spirit. I could be wrong, but I don't remember ever seeing Bahk on the sidelines in street clothes after he was shut down.

I think Dillon is on the sidelines at all home games which is good because he has way more experience in the Packers playbook than the rest of the RB's combined.
I'd be surprised if the Packers let Dillon go next year, unless he has to medically retire. He's got the skills and knowledge that a guy like LaFleur would drool over in that he could easily create diverse roles and options to incorporate into the offense for 3-10 plays a game. Dude is very reliable and trustworthy from a coaches point of view. Imo, he's one of those non-core players that coaches find way more value in than do fans, or outsiders.

 

[tynimiller]

I think Dillon is on the sidelines at all home games which is good because he has way more experience in the Packers playbook than the rest of the RB's combined.
I'd be surprised if the Packers let Dillon go next year, unless he has to medically retire. He's got the skills and knowledge that a guy like LaFleur would drool over in that he could easily create diverse roles and options to incorporate into the offense for 3-10 plays a game. Dude is very reliable and trustworthy from a coaches point of view. Imo, he's one of those non-core players that coaches find way more value in than do fans, or outsiders.

Dillon is in the building essentially everyday he has stated numerous times for treatment and rehab work. He has chosen to stay very close and this team is his team still. I agree 100%

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I tend to differ on thoughts of AJ's future, even more so after this year's fiscal agreement on that type of deal. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if we see Dillon do the same thing next year, if healthy play his way into a depth type role and maybe even that HBack/FB type role MLF eluded to (a genius forum member even before him LOL) and play a year or two more before retirement and opens that burger/bar joint he has said he wants to there in GB and be a community dude for years. Dillon LOVES GB, and even if by some stroke he plays a year or two elsewhere he is for sure laying roots already down.

I guess it all depends on what happens to the other 3 backs, all of which I would consider to be ahead of Dillon on an initial 2025 depth chart.

First, lets assume for discussion purposes, that all 3 of those backs stay healthy and Dillon heals up 100%.


Josh Jacobs: While Josh hasn't been a huge game changing back just yet, unless the Packers decide to move on from him, I think he is a Packer in 2025.

Emmanuel Wilson: I for one am gladly eating crow when it comes to Wilson. I assumed he was a JAG and wouldn't do all that much. I was wrong and I think he has played himself into a very capable #2 RB spot. He will be an ERFA after 2025 and thus I don't see how he wouldn't be on the roster in 2025.

MarShawn Lloyd: Lloyd was a 3rd round pick in 2024 and hasn't had a chance to prove himself just yet. I think if given a chance, he will show enough promise to be on the roster next season. Even if somehow his injury keeps him from playing in 2024, I still think the 3rd round investment will keep him in GB.

So yes, I think Dillon could potentially play himself into a spot on the Packers roster, but he would need to sign a no to low guaranteed 1 year deal and then beat out one of the 3 backs that IMO are currently ahead of him. That said, if another team that is in obvious need of a RB to fill a #2 or 3 spot approaches Dillon to play for them, I doubt he passes it up.

 

[tynimiller]

I guess it all depends on what happens to the other 3 backs, all of which I would consider to be ahead of Dillon on an initial 2025 depth chart.

First, lets assume for discussion purposes, that all 3 of those backs stay healthy and Dillon heals up 100%.


Josh Jacobs: While Josh hasn't been a huge game changing back just yet, unless the Packers decide to move on from him, I think he is a Packer in 2025.

Emmanuel Wilson: I for one am gladly eating crow when it comes to Wilson. I assumed he was a JAG and wouldn't do all that much. I was wrong and I think he has played himself into a very capable #2 RB spot. He will be an ERFA after 2025 and thus I don't see how he wouldn't be on the roster in 2025.

MarShawn Lloyd: Lloyd was a 3rd round pick in 2024 and hasn't had a chance to prove himself just yet. I think if given a chance, he will show enough promise to be on the roster next season. Even if somehow his injury keeps him from playing in 2024, I still think the 3rd round investment will keep him in GB.

So yes, I think Dillon could potentially play himself into a spot on the Packers roster, but he would need to sign a no to low guaranteed 1 year deal and then beat out one of the 3 backs that IMO are currently ahead of him. That said, if another team that is in obvious need of a RB to fill a #2 or 3 spot approaches Dillon to play for them, I doubt he passes it up.

I don't see the need to beat any of them for the role to be there. This weekend we elevated Beck and dressed Jacobs, Wilson and Brooks. That's four backfield guys and we even ran the ball three times with a WR and once with a TE.

Dillon already has proven he is fully willing to sign minimum deals and the dude was a straight warrior last year playing with a groin injury that many would be laid up at their houses with because we had too many injuries elsewhere. His hit this year to the team was going to be rookie contract level stuff.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't see the need to beat any of them for the role to be there. This weekend we elevated Beck and dressed Jacobs, Wilson and Brooks. That's four backfield guys and we even ran the ball three times with a WR and once with a TE.

Dillon already has proven he is fully willing to sign minimum deals and the dude was a straight warrior last year playing with a groin injury that many would be laid up at their houses with because we had too many injuries elsewhere. His hit this year to the team was going to be rookie contract level stuff.

Good points and I guess we will see. I do agree with you that him being on the sidelines is a very good sign of his commitment to the team, one which just might have him back with the Packers in 2025.

Again, I just can't say enough of how good it was to see him on the sidelines, being a part of the team, goes a long way in my book.

 

[tynimiller]

I also wouldn't be shocked to see Dillon at some time post-playing career be an assistant coach even potentially.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I tend to differ on thoughts of AJ's future, even more so after this year's fiscal agreement on that type of deal. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if we see Dillon do the same thing next year, if healthy play his way into a depth type role and maybe even that HBack/FB type role MLF eluded to (a genius forum member even before him LOL) and play a year or two more before retirement and opens that burger/bar joint he has said he wants to there in GB and be a community dude for years. Dillon LOVES GB, and even if by some stroke he plays a year or two elsewhere he is for sure laying roots already down.

That's a solution that would work well for everyone. To your point he's looking beyond football to life in WI. Gotta love the guy.

 

[Heyjoe4]

One of the reasons I've cooled some on sports fandom over the years - Ty averaged right at $1,000,000 per year for that mediocre career.

"Veteran minimum". If any of us performed at that level in our careers we'd be out on the street - not making $1 mil/year.

 

[Magooch]

Totally just spitballing... I wonder if it isn't possible that Dillon's future isn't seen as more of a FB as alluded to above, more of a specialist type position. The 49ers for instance have generally been keeping 3 running backs active, but also Juszczyk as a fullback. Perhaps we would look to do similar?

 

[OldSchool101]

We have no idea if Lloyd's body is NFL ready for extended use. It would be great imo if he comes back soon so the staff can get him some game work as insurance not to replace Wilson, but to compete for the backup role with Brooks in the event that Jacobs goes down with injury.

That’s true. He suffered a Hip injury in training camp followed by a hamstring injury in preseason followed by an ankle injury against Indianapolis. I think just the overlap of minor injuries made us go conservative with him as we likely don’t NEED him early season. Like you said when you have depth stepping up and meeting expectations (similar to Malik at QB) why rush him back? I’d slow roll him a couple more weeks and put these minor injuries back in his past.

IF he’s healed up my plan would be to ease him into the lineup before our Week 10 Bye. Then have him fully ready to go Weeks 11-18. Not that I want it, but a RB can go down quickly and I prefer he’s not “learning on the job” if you will. Even if he’s getting just 5-7 touches per game after the Bye etc. Teams can never have enough depth going into the Winter months.

 

[PikeBadger]

That’s true. He suffered a Hip injury in training camp followed by a hamstring injury in preseason followed by an ankle injury against Indianapolis. I think just the overlap of minor injuries made us go conservative with him as we likely don’t NEED him early season. Like you said when you have depth stepping up and meeting expectations (similar to Malik at QB) why rush him back? I’d slow roll him a couple more weeks and put these minor injuries back in his past.

IF he’s healed up my plan would be to ease him into the lineup before our Week 10 Bye. Then have him fully ready to go Weeks 11-18. Not that I want it, but a RB can go down quickly and I prefer he’s not “learning on the job” if you will. Even if he’s getting just 5-7 touches per game after the Bye etc. Teams can never have enough depth going into the Winter months.

I don't envision a likely scenario where Lloyd will ever be our starting RB this season. I think he's clearly 4th on the depth chart now and unless Wilson gets injured, I don't see Lloyd surpassing him this season. Wilson imo, looks like he's earned the confidence of the coaching staff stacking very solid games like he has. Wilson is now averaging 8 touches a game and has appeared to be reasonably competent blocking and secure with the ball. I think he's been very successful in all phases for such an inexperienced player.

 

[Magooch]

Depending on Lloyd's recovery and how he gets up to speed (if/when), do any of you think perhaps Wilson would be seen as a potential trade piece?

(Admittedly I don't even know that his contract situation would allow it without work)

He has been a very low investment guy but has looked really nice whenever he's got opportunities. Obviously we've invested big in Jacobs and seems like we rated Lloyd really highly. If he gets healthy and looks promising, I wonder if they wouldn't see if they can get a good return on Wilson??? Like above, just totally spitballing...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't envision a likely scenario where Lloyd will ever be our starting RB this season. I think he's clearly 4th on the depth chart now and unless Wilson gets injured, I don't see Lloyd surpassing him this season. Wilson imo, looks like he's earned the confidence of the coaching staff stacking very solid games like he has. Wilson is now averaging 8 touches a game and has appeared to be reasonably competent blocking and secure with the ball. I think he's been very successful in all phases for such an inexperienced player.

I definitely think you are right, for now. However, I see Lloyd eventually getting touches, once fully healthy. Whether it is due to an injury to Jacobs or Wilson or just the 3rd back suiting up, he will see some carries. Wilson will continue to be the #2, unless Lloyd suddenly shows a lot more then Emmanuel.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Depending on Lloyd's recovery and how he gets up to speed (if/when), do any of you think perhaps Wilson would be seen as a potential trade piece?

(Admittedly I don't even know that his contract situation would allow it without work)

He has been a very low investment guy but has looked really nice whenever he's got opportunities. Obviously we've invested big in Jacobs and seems like we rated Lloyd really highly. If he gets healthy and looks promising, I wonder if they wouldn't see if they can get a good return on Wilson??? Like above, just totally spitballing...

Honestly, RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL, I don't see the Packers getting enough to make it worth their while to trade Wilson. Wilson now knows and is familiar with the system, his value is much greater to the Packers than it probably is to another team.