2020 as it fell....

[PikeBadger]

Thanks for the history longtime. I do remember Ty going to Philly now. And I remember Brunell going to Jax. Out of the two, I seem to recall Brunell doing better. But neither of them we're exactly HOF material. Still, Wolf knew how to draft. I still miss him.

Brunell has some pretty serious passing numbers. He was a good 2nd tier NFL QB imo. Wolf liked drafting a QB in just about every draft. I’d like to see a draft analysis done on Wolf and Thompson. I bet the results are pretty close. Much closer than most fans think.

 

[longtimefan]

Brunell has some pretty serious passing numbers. He was a good 2nd tier NFL QB imo. Wolf liked drafting a QB in just about every draft. I’d like to see a draft analysis done on Wolf and Thompson. I bet the results are pretty close. Much closer than most fans think.

I think he had best numbers as a left handled qb?

 

[GleefulGary]

Thanks for the history longtime. I do remember Ty going to Philly now. And I remember Brunell going to Jax. Out of the two, I seem to recall Brunell doing better. But neither of them we're exactly HOF material. Still, Wolf knew how to draft. I still miss him.

Most players aren't HOF material. Odd disclaimer, imo.

 

[PikeBadger]

I think he had best numbers as a left handled qb?

Probably so. He just didn’t win as much as Stabler. When I think more about it, I think he was widely considered a top tier QB back in the late 90’s. He showed very well in Green Bay while he was here.

 

[tynimiller]

I didn't see Barnes coming. What I really like, aside from the athleticism, is the smarts. He's sniffing out plays and putting himself in a position to succeed. We're early in the season, but I like whet I see from Barnes.

Just to add to Barnes making me look wiser than I am....dude has had 47 snaps now, 19 tackles (10 of those solo). I mean...I get it UDFA, but I foresee him continuing to up his snap count higher and higher as we move forward.

 

[Mondio]

Just to add to Barnes making me look wiser than I am....dude has had 47 snaps now, 19 tackles (10 of those solo). I mean...I get it UDFA, but I foresee him continuing to up his snap count higher and higher as we move forward.

was he 53? He stood out to me a few times.

 

[tynimiller]

was he 53? He stood out to me a few times.

You're thinking Garvin (who also had some solid impact and was our 7th round pick this draft). Barnes is #51

 

[Mondio]

oh yeah, I knew that. I don' think i'm firing on all cylinders today. Which i should be used to by now.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Just to add to Barnes making me look wiser than I am....dude has had 47 snaps now, 19 tackles (10 of those solo). I mean...I get it UDFA, but I foresee him continuing to up his snap count higher and higher as we move forward.

It's only 3 games, but I've been impressed with Barnes. With Kirksey out for a few weeks, he should get more snaps. His play seems instinctive, a good thing for an ILB.

 

[thequick12]

It's only 3 games, but I've been impressed with Barnes. With Kirksey out for a few weeks, he should get more snaps. His play seems instinctive, a good thing for an ILB.

Yeah looks like kirksey will be one and done as a packer... between summers and barnes so far and Martin when he returns doesn't look like paying him would make sense

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah looks like kirksey will be one and done as a packer... between summers and barnes so far and Martin when he returns doesn't look like paying him would make sense

Yeah looks like kirksey will be one and done as a packer... between summers and barnes so far and Martin when he returns doesn't look like paying him would make sense

I'm trying to remember the last time we had a really good ILB in Green Bay. Maybe Desmond Bishop?

 

[thequick12]

I'm trying to remember the last time we had a really good ILB in Green Bay. Maybe Desmond Bishop?

Wouldn't call him really good but yeah him and Nick Barnett...but I'd say they were just good for being Packers ilbs, not compared to the rest of nfl

 

[Heyjoe4]

Wouldn't call him really good but yeah him and Nick Barnett...but I'd say they were just good for being Packers ilbs, not compared to the rest of nfl

Nick Barnett, thanks for the reminder. These guys were good, but I don't remember them being game changers, like a T.J. Watt.

 

[thequick12]

Nick Barnett, thanks for the reminder. These guys were good, but I don't remember them being game changers, like a T.J. Watt.

Well watt's an outside linebacker I believe but trading out of the spot they could of had watt will be a move the Packers regret for as long as watt plays...that was a no brainer pick if there ever was one. And while kevin king is certainly an above avg player he just isn't the anywhere close to the player watt has become and that was clear in the projection at the time...

Watt 4 ints 20 pds 38 sacks 15 ff 4 fr 186 tkls 41 tfl

King 6 ints 22 pds 1 sack 1 ff 1 fr 124 tkls 5 tfl

King has 2 more ints and 2 more passes defensed which is pretty amazing considering the position difference and that watt has done that while also posting 37 more sacks 36 more tfl and 14 more ff...

 

[PikeBadger]

Well watt's an outside linebacker I believe but trading out of the spot they could of had watt will be a move the Packers regret for as long as watt plays...that was a no brainer pick if there ever was one. And while kevin king is certainly an above avg player he just isn't the anywhere close to the player watt has become and that was clear in the projection at the time...

Watt 4 ints 20 pds 38 sacks 15 ff 4 fr 186 tkls 41 tfl

King 6 ints 22 pds 1 sack 1 ff 1 fr 124 tkls 5 tfl

King has 2 more ints and 2 more passes defensed which is pretty amazing considering the position difference and that watt has done that while also posting 37 more sacks 36 more tfl and 14 more ff...

I think about this every time I hear Watt’s name brought up. I still think that TJ Watt was the “safest” pick at 27 in that draft or any other draft for that matter. He was as close to a guaranteed successful pick as you’ll ever see imo.
I would love to know Thompson’s thinking behind that move. Our roster on defense would look vastly different today had they chosen Watt.

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think he was guaranteed success. He had a lot of growing to do, physically and technically. he did it. But I also worry it will take his toll, so while his shorter term production has been definitely better. I think the things he has to do to stay physically large enough will start taking their toll about the time he inks a big contract.

 

[PikeBadger]

I didn't think he was guaranteed success. He had a lot of growing to do, physically and technically. he did it. But I also worry it will take his toll, so while his shorter term production has been definitely better. I think the things he has to do to stay physically large enough will start taking their toll about the time he inks a big contract.

Agree that he was a unfinished product (like almost every prospect) but I was referring more to the intangibles and unmeasureables. They were off the chart “safe”. Very few prospects come with older siblings willing to share a whole bag of wicked tricks. It’s not a coincidence that TJ creates so many turnovers.

 

[thequick12]

I didn't think he was guaranteed success. He had a lot of growing to do, physically and technically. he did it. But I also worry it will take his toll, so while his shorter term production has been definitely better. I think the things he has to do to stay physically large enough will start taking their toll about the time he inks a big contract.

Yeah but knowing the watt's it was obvious the dude was gonna live nothing but football and be extremely driven to succeed...

Not really sure about what you mean with the 2nd part, I don't know anything about that

 

[Mondio]

I think there are people that need to do a lot of things to add to their playing weight. It works better when they're young but after a few years there are parts that just can't hold up anymore and you get the pec tears and the patellar tears and the bicep tears and the recurring injuries. Same reason Clay was so explosive young and so chronically injured late.

 

[thequick12]

I think there are people that need to do a lot of things to add to their playing weight. It works better when they're young but after a few years there are parts that just can't hold up anymore and you get the pec tears and the patellar tears and the bicep tears and the recurring injuries. Same reason Clay was so explosive young and so chronically injured late.

Oh I thought that was cuz of what he was rumored to be doing outside of the league rules, hadn't heard that about watt but don't doubt it's true about a lot of guys

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well watt's an outside linebacker I believe but trading out of the spot they could of had watt will be a move the Packers regret for as long as watt plays...that was a no brainer pick if there ever was one. And while kevin king is certainly an above avg player he just isn't the anywhere close to the player watt has become and that was clear in the projection at the time...

Watt 4 ints 20 pds 38 sacks 15 ff 4 fr 186 tkls 41 tfl

King 6 ints 22 pds 1 sack 1 ff 1 fr 124 tkls 5 tfl

King has 2 more ints and 2 more passes defensed which is pretty amazing considering the position difference and that watt has done that while also posting 37 more sacks 36 more tfl and 14 more ff...

My bad, thanks for pointing out that Watt is an OLB. How could we have missed him and instead selected King? I know hindsight is 20/20 and the past is the past but geez, he was in our own backyard. Thanks for the stats as well, even though it hurts to read them. If the FO had done a better job drafting CBs, things may have turned out differently. Anyway, we still need some real ILBs.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think there are people that need to do a lot of things to add to their playing weight. It works better when they're young but after a few years there are parts that just can't hold up anymore and you get the pec tears and the patellar tears and the bicep tears and the recurring injuries. Same reason Clay was so explosive young and so chronically injured late.

Yeah it's a function of playing weight and muscle mass. Over time, it just becomes harder to maintain, as your example of CMIII points out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think about this every time I hear Watt’s name brought up. I still think that TJ Watt was the “safest” pick at 27 in that draft or any other draft for that matter. He was as close to a guaranteed successful pick as you’ll ever see imo.
I would love to know Thompson’s thinking behind that move. Our roster on defense would look vastly different today had they chosen Watt.

The problem was that TT had done such a terrible job of drafting CBs in prior years. So that year they still had severe problems at CB and went with King. It was still the wrong move, so TT simply doubled down win his drafting mistakes.

 

[thequick12]

Anyway, we still need some real ILBs.

I actually think the current ilb group is the best they've had in years. Kirksey is essentially blake martinez at half the cost...and we're about to really find out about ty summers but he made some good plays against the saints. I get it some bad ones too. Barnes has already shown to be better than just about everyone they've had recently not named blake.

Then you have Kamal martin who was on a rare track for a Packers rookie...set to start the opener prior to being injured. If he's as good as they think he is, the Packers just might finally have a ilb group that's not a glaring weakness

 

[Heyjoe4]

I actually think the current ilb group is the best they've had in years. Kirksey is essentially blake martinez at half the cost...and we're about to really find out about ty summers but he made some good plays against the saints. I get it some bad ones too. Barnes has already shown to be better than just about everyone they've had recently not named blake.

Then you have Kamal martin who was on a rare track for a Packers rookie...set to start the opener prior to being injured. If he's as good as they think he is, the Packers just might finally have a ilb group that's not a glaring weakness

That's a good summary of the current group and I like the optimism. I think Barnes is the real deal, his intuition and anticipation are excellent. From what I've seen, he's able to diagnose plays quickly and react accordingly. Not bad for an UDFA!