2018 Draft Review

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You got the attitude part right. 1 out of 5 observations ain't bad lol

Well, given that the "bag of chips" part is also right - it would seem that Gute and the entire NFL fraternity of GM's agrees with my other observations.

We got next to nothing for him - that's what he's worth.

If he were worth more, someone would have given Gute more for him.

The market is the barometer of value - and his value was pretty close to zero.
 

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I've seen nothing to change my mind that a 2 year plan was in order going into this offseason. I don't agree that's the Gutekunst plan.
Because they didnt take a pass rusher? I think it is entirely a matter of what the draft brought us. This year we had a lot of 2nd teir CBs, which luckily, matched our need. I think teams didnt take a CB early because they knew they could still get a started level talent in the 3rd or 4th. Josh Jackson was a huge surprise to still be there and we had to go BPA. I think the trade back for a 1st next year was just a smart overall value. I think they intended to take Jaire at 14 and saw opportunity to add the pick.

I dont think the plan was to rebuild over 2 years, it just worked out that way. The draft talent available did not allow us to address all of our needs.

As luck would have it again, OLB and 5T looks very strong in the next draft.
 

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I've considered it a 2 year job simply because there were too many holes to fill this year. As to next year, I think the heavier focus will need to be on offence, which has been kind of neglected in recent years.
 

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I've considered it a 2 year job simply because there were too many holes to fill this year. As to next year, I think the heavier focus will need to be on offence, which has been kind of neglected in recent years.
We have 2 very good TEs. A stud WR, 2 good WRs and 2 rookies with potential. We have a solid OL that could use some depth. We have 2 impressive rookie RBs and a 3rd, Montgommery, who did well and is still learning RB position. We now have a talented backup QB.

All our rookie WRs may not pan out. Our RBs continue to get injured. But I think our offense wont have many holes except OL depth, which is more mid round picks.

We can't judge our offense by how many high picks we spend there.

We should be able to improve our team by drafting whoever Is BPA at our picks. WR, TE, OLB, DE, RB
 

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Still looking thin to me, Amish. The right side of the O line is in flux with not much in the way of depth, and the WR unit is very thin outside of Adams, with too much riding on a bunch of unproven young guys to come through.
 
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Both, lol...

We'll be better simply because Capers is gone, but pass rush is one of the most important aspects of the game, and we're severely lacking.

I'm hoping Gilbert progresses... he's the only player we have in development that might turn into something.

Fackrell, Biegel, and Ryan can't play and all 3 need to be cut. Matthew's is old, and Perry is always injured. Martinez is okay, but limited.

Burks had a great combine, but was a complete train wreck as a player.

The Packer scouting dept. puts way, way too much stock in the combine. Based on his play, Burks shouldn't have even been drafted.

Maybe they can coach him up and he'll eventually get it figured out; but my God does he have a long way to go... simply a terrible, terrible football player.

When Perry and Matthews go down - and they will - we'll be in big trouble in that front seven.

What an awful, awful, awful take.

Burks is undrafted talent? Lol
 
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I was all for drafting McKinney, who has proven to be a very good player.

I was not in favor of drafting Randall, who has proven to be a bust.

Nor am I in favor of drafting Burks who, like Randall, didn't play the position he was drafted for for any length of time.

I also don't like weighting the combine over game tape.

By combine results Burks belongs in the HOF. By his game tape he shouldn't have even been drafted.

Uhhh...Burks did play the position we drafted him to play.

He’s a coverage ILB. He’s not a run stuffer, so get that idea out of your head. Yeah, he sucked vs Bama. Ray Lewis struggled when OL could get to the 2nd level against him too. And that’s not saying that Burks is Lewis, it’s just understanding the position and tape.

Burks is raw, but he fills an important need for us.
 

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Uhhh...Burks did play the position we drafted him to play.

He’s a coverage ILB. He’s not a run stuffer, so get that idea out of your head. Yeah, he sucked vs Bama. Ray Lewis struggled when OL could get to the 2nd level against him too. And that’s not saying that Burks is Lewis, it’s just understanding the position and tape.

Burks is raw, but he fills an important need for us.
Is there any other video of Burks besides the 'bama one? That seems to be the only one cited. Alabama had a knack for making the opposition look silly.
 
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Because they didnt take a pass rusher? I think it is entirely a matter of what the draft brought us. This year we had a lot of 2nd teir CBs, which luckily, matched our need. I think teams didnt take a CB early because they knew they could still get a started level talent in the 3rd or 4th. Josh Jackson was a huge surprise to still be there and we had to go BPA. I think the trade back for a 1st next year was just a smart overall value. I think they intended to take Jaire at 14 and saw opportunity to add the pick.

I dont think the plan was to rebuild over 2 years, it just worked out that way. The draft talent available did not allow us to address all of our needs.

As luck would have it again, OLB and 5T looks very strong in the next draft.
Not especially, though partially. That opinion [that Gutekunst is operating under a 2 year plan] is rendered based on the cap expended on the over-30 FAs and Wilkerson's decline under years of 90% snap counts.

At the same time, the 2019 free agent class (Matthews, Cobb, C-D, Wilkerson) and Bulaga's question mark (he stepped out of OTAs with a knee issue, by the way), were not addressed.

There's a lot of this year/next year hedging in the equation. The generous offer for Fuller was the ultimate hedge: help now, help later, at considerable cost.

I like what he did with the first two picks, the players chosen and the need-filling, with the nifty trade-down-trade-up gaining an extra first rounder next year.

I don't think the play was to rebuild over 2 years, and I don't think it worked out that way for the above reasons. Getting the extra first round pick kinda makes it look like a 2 year plan, but it is belied by the FA signings.

By the way, I don't see Jackson as a BPA. Without him, you're looking at a sketchy King, an aging Williams, Alexander, and then House in 4-CB dime and as an injury backup. Wlliams might be needed at safety. That was not enough. I expect Jackson to be an every down player before season's end if not week 1.
 

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Is there any other video of Burks besides the 'bama one? That seems to be the only one cited. Alabama had a knack for making the opposition look silly.

The Tennessee tape is just as bad... and while Alabama is clearly a better team, that has nothing to do with what Burks himself was doing out there on the field.

He looks completely lost most of the time, takes bad angles, misses tackles, shows no instincts, gets beat in coverage, etc...

As good as Bama is, the NFL talent Burks is going to go against is better.

Like I said, I hope they can coach him up and make him into a football player, b/c at the time of his drafting he was little more than a good athlete trying to play the sport of football - and not doing it very well.
 

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As good as Bama is, the NFL talent Burks is going to go against is better.

While I understand people saying this, you also have to remember that Burks will have guys like Daniels, Wilkerson and Clark playing in front of him. So sure, he is going to face more talented players, but he is also going to be playing with more talented players.
 

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Even solely as a coverage ILB Burks isnt exactly polished as a player. He might pay dividends in a year or two but if anyone expects him to see the field much, barring injury, your going to be disappointed. (then again we do have people here that think 2/3 of our rookie WRs will be significantly contributors, Madison will be our starting RG and that all of King/Alexander/Jackson will push Tramon down to being our dime CB so there's that. Like guys. Half the draft class aren't going to be significant contributors their rookie years lol)

He was a pretty big reach (even bigger when you consider we traded up to the slot where we drafted him). People do know they can concede that fact and still think hes an intriguing player for down the road?
 
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By the way, I don't see Jackson as a BPA. Without him, you're looking at a sketchy King, an aging Williams, Alexander, and then House in 4-CB dime and as an injury backup. Wlliams might be needed at safety. That was not enough. I expect Jackson to be an every down player before season's end if not week 1.
Who did you have rated higher at that pick in the 2nd? I thought he was clearly better than any other player at that spot. I wouldn't have taken him at 14, but would not have thought it a horrible pick. Figured him around 20th or so was his value. Getting him 25 picks later was an absolute steal. Cant believe his slow combine knocked him down. He didnt play slow.
 
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Who did you have rated higher at that pick in the 2nd? I thought he was clearly better than any other player at that spot. I wouldn't have taken him at 14, but would not have thought it a horrible pick. Figured him around 20th or so was his value. Getting him 25 picks later was an absolute steal. Cant believe his slow combine knocked him down. He didnt play slow.
My point was that Jackson being the BPA, which implies "regardless of position", would have been a happy coincidence. The fact he was the best cornerback, or the best player at positions of need, on the board was the critical factor. Good value pick.
 

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King, Jones, Alexander, Jackson..... that's a healthy dose of talent to the secondary, right there. I'm very happy.
We also have montravius Adams to rotate in.
 

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MVS, and EQSB all have a shot to make the roster. I love tripling up at the WR position, and all of these guys are pretty similar. I think Moore has the best shot, and MVS has a shot to make it in the Jeff Janis role if he can be a good gunner. I don't think EQSB makes the roster.
I agree. EQ or MSV might be on practice squad.

Maybe they'll sign someone like Marcedes Lewis to fill things ou
Great call, D. Lewis made perfect sense. Jimmy Graham is basically a very big WR. Not sure but if someone can link the fact, I remember reading Graham lined up at slot 40-47% last year. Lewis is the more polish blocker and more balanced.

Hunter Bradley...

Interesting pick.. Major injuries tho and Tbh.. the kid is one injury away from retirement. If he stays healthy it's a good pickup. But the nfl is a Different animal compared to college.

One of the most surprises will be the Punter. Looked at all his punts of 2016-2017. Man he looked great. Great gunners at bama but many of the punts were just unreturnable or he pinned it out of bounds in the ten, heck even the 5.
 

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My point was that Jackson being the BPA, which implies "regardless of position", would have been a happy coincidence. The fact he was the best cornerback, or the best player at positions of need, on the board was the critical factor. Good value pick.
BPA means the Best Player Available and in my mind is a completely independent issue from what team needs may or may not be.

Drafting BPA is to take the player with the highest grade. That's all.

Drafting FOR need means you are taking a player because of a need and passing up higher grades players at different positions. (See raiders 1st round selection)

When it comes down to it we had needs at OT, OG, WR, TE, OLB, DE, ILB, and CB. Only RB, S, and QB are we really set at. Chances are, the player at 2.13 was going to fill some need.
 

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You don't think they'll get picked up by someone else if they get put down there?
If they get picked up, they get picked up. Theres others that we can stash. Last year Yancey and the wr from LSU weren't saved by their draft positon.
 

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If they get picked up, they get picked up. Theres others that we can stash. Last year Yancey and the wr from LSU weren't saved by their draft positon.
that's because they didn't show anything when they got here. I mean nothing. Boykin looked like Jordy Nelson his rookie season compared to those guys. If the WR's drafted this year show the same, then I'd expect the same. But I expect at least 1 of those guys to surprise, just not sure which one. They all have the physical talents to really do something in this league.
 

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that's because they didn't show anything when they got here. I mean nothing. Boykin looked like Jordy Nelson his rookie season compared to those guys. If the WR's drafted this year show the same, then I'd expect the same. But I expect at least 1 of those guys to surprise, just not sure which one. They all have the physical talents to really do something in this league.
At least one of the WR will show up as you mentioned. But all we can do now is speculate till they put on gear and start practicing. Like I said it wouldn't surprise me of two of em dont make the roster.
 
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BPA means the Best Player Available and in my mind is a completely independent issue from what team needs may or may not be.

Drafting BPA is to take the player with the highest grade. That's all.
I know what it means and I don't believe anybody practices it except a team under complete rebuild mode.
 

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